Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-12-10 Thread Helge Hafting
arne anka wrote: [...] Echo reacts to some tweaking in alsa and maybe Calypso firmware option selection, I guess this turn up in rootfs images as best it can. OK, but do you need to be so imprecise about this? What can't there be a definitive solution? because the echo is caused only

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-12-09 Thread Steve Mosher
yes joerg has a DRAFT version of the SOP for the buzz fix rework of A5/A6. Not everybody has the buzz issue. 1. It's a draft. 2. We need to have some independent test of the SOP arne anka wrote: buzz / echo / hiss... no software change can fix buzz. It's baked into the hardware and you will

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-12-08 Thread Joseph Reeves
GTK support seems mildly improved in the testing release, but I'm still having big troubles with it. Note, that relatively simple GTK apps, such as TangoGPS work without issue. We're running a complex GTK app: http://gvsigmobileonopenmoko.wordpress.com/ It works perfectly on 2007.2, but on

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-12-08 Thread Holger Freyther
Am 08.12.2008 um 13:38 schrieb Joseph Reeves: GTK support seems mildly improved in the testing release, but I'm still having big troubles with it. Note, that relatively simple GTK apps, such as TangoGPS work without issue. We're running a complex GTK app:

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-12-07 Thread Neil Jerram
2008/12/2 John Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 09:29:48PM +, Neil Jerram wrote: Apologies in advance for what may be a dumb question - but does this statement represent the conclusion of your team's work on audio issues (buzz/echo/hiss etc.)? Or is there further work

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-12-07 Thread Neil Jerram
2008/12/2 Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED]: buzz / echo / hiss... no software change can fix buzz. It's baked into the hardware and you will have to do fairly extreme meddling with your soldering iron to impact it. Thanks, I hadn't seen that so clearly stated before! (i.e. that buzz is known to

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-12-07 Thread Neil Jerram
Oops... 2008/12/7 Neil Jerram [EMAIL PROTECTED]: OK, but do you need to be so imprecise about this? What can't there be a definitive solution? What should have been why. Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-12-07 Thread Franky Van Liedekerke
On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:22:58 + Neil Jerram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/12/2 Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED]: buzz / echo / hiss... no software change can fix buzz. It's baked into the hardware and you will have to do fairly extreme meddling with your soldering iron to impact it.

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-12-07 Thread arne anka
buzz / echo / hiss... no software change can fix buzz. It's baked into the hardware and you will have to do fairly extreme meddling with your soldering iron to impact it. Thanks, I hadn't seen that so clearly stated before! (i.e. that buzz is known to be 100% a hardware issue).

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-12-07 Thread Al Johnson
On Sunday 07 December 2008, Neil Jerram wrote: 2008/12/2 Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED]: buzz / echo / hiss... no software change can fix buzz. It's baked into the hardware and you will have to do fairly extreme meddling with your soldering iron to impact it. Thanks, I hadn't seen that so

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-12-06 Thread Steve Mosher
Thanks Jake. I reviewed the SOP yesterday and Werner had a look at it as well. There is a tiny bit of clean up ( spelling etc) and a couple little details. ( arrows on the photos) Also, I really would like to have somebody external to Openmoko test the SOP by actually doing it. Maybe even

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-12-05 Thread Andreas Fischer
Hi All, During today's upgrade I encountered the following error: * ERROR: The following packages conflict with openmoko-phoneprofile-data: * qtopia-phone-x11-profile-data * How should I proceed? Uninstall one of these? Regards, Andreas John Lee wrote: Dear Community, As

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-12-05 Thread John Lee
On Fri, Dec 05, 2008 at 10:28:48AM +0100, Andreas Fischer wrote: Hi All, During today's upgrade I encountered the following error: * ERROR: The following packages conflict with openmoko-phoneprofile-data: * qtopia-phone-x11-profile-data * How should I proceed? Uninstall one

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-12-05 Thread Andreas Fischer
John Lee wrote: On Fri, Dec 05, 2008 at 10:28:48AM +0100, Andreas Fischer wrote: Hi All, During today's upgrade I encountered the following error: * ERROR: The following packages conflict with openmoko-phoneprofile-data: * qtopia-phone-x11-profile-data * How should I proceed?

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-12-04 Thread Steve Mosher
Hi, Joerg went over the change for a5/a6 with me the other night. Over the next few days I'll drive to get an SOP published for the change. But for now I'll just explain it in words. The modification should work for both a5a6. It consists of: 1. Removing the front cover. 2.

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-12-04 Thread Jakob
Thanks Steve for this little insight. As the mod doesn't seem that hard to do, I'm looking forward to my Freerunner for christmas (regardless if its A7 or a not yet reworked A6 :) ). Jake On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Steve Mosher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Joerg went over the change for

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-12-03 Thread William Kenworthy
On Sun, 2008-11-30 at 19:50 +0800, John Lee wrote: Dear Community, As Sushama (our new testing team member) indicated in http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-November/003493.html , we won't have a release in Nov. Currently the testing team is going ... Ive been using this for a

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-12-03 Thread Jakob
On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: buzz / echo / hiss... no software change can fix buzz. It's baked into the hardware and you will have to do fairly extreme meddling with your soldering iron to impact it. Would it be better to wait until A7 is out and then

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-12-03 Thread William Kenworthy
Ticket #2157 Would be nice if anyone else is seeing this to pipe up too - starting to feel its just me ... BillK On Wed, 2008-12-03 at 21:54 +0800, John Lee wrote: On Sun, 2008-11-30 at 19:50 +0800, John Lee wrote: Dear Community, As Sushama (our new testing team member)

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-12-03 Thread KaZeR
Jakob a écrit : On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: buzz / echo / hiss... no software change can fix buzz. It's baked into the hardware and you will have to do fairly extreme meddling with your soldering iron to impact it. Would it be better to wait

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-12-02 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Thanks your suggestion giving and thanks Andy. I am trying testing | suspend/resume recursively with a script, using werner's wkalrm. If | anything I get or any plan, anyway I will talk on kernl list,

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-12-02 Thread John Lee
On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 07:50:58PM +0900, William Kenworthy wrote: On Mon, 2008-12-01 at 22:22 +0900, William Kenworthy wrote: Thanks, also I was bit too rushed. I shut down X which allowed me to Fonts and widgets are far too large on apps like pythm, tangogps and the like.

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-12-02 Thread Andreas Fischer
John Lee wrote: On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 05:31:37PM +0100, Andreas Fischer wrote: Hi John, All, Just upgraded from 2008.9. Things to mention: - Boot time decreased. A lot! Thumbs up and a great Thank you for that :) - Also, startup time for applications (dialer) seems to have decreased. - As

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-12-02 Thread William Kenworthy
Thats it. I installed my favourite gsmhandset.state which made the mic audio acceptable. Then I modified PhoneProfile.conf as per #2140 and have audio again. I presume this fix (#2140) will appear in an update shortly? Thanks. BillK On Mon, 2008-12-01 at 22:08 +0800, John Lee wrote: On Mon,

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-12-02 Thread William Kenworthy
On Mon, 2008-12-01 at 22:22 +0900, William Kenworthy wrote: Thanks, also I was bit too rushed. I shut down X which allowed me to Fonts and widgets are far too large on apps like pythm, tangogps and the like. ... Fixed by adding the gtkrc fix from FDOM Should I raise a bug for this -

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-12-02 Thread John Lee
On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 10:49:47AM +0100, Andreas Fischer wrote: John Lee wrote: On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 05:31:37PM +0100, Andreas Fischer wrote: Hi John, All, Just upgraded from 2008.9. Things to mention: - Boot time decreased. A lot! Thumbs up and a great Thank you for that :) -

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-12-02 Thread William Kenworthy
Upgraded to 0.2 - works fine. BillK On Mon, 2008-12-01 at 13:29 +, Thomas White wrote: On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:22:28 +0900 William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: openmoocow (old version) started once out of three tries - left me at a grey screen otherwise. This is really my

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-12-02 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
William Kenworthy wrote: Thats it. I installed my favourite gsmhandset.state which made the mic audio acceptable. Then I modified PhoneProfile.conf as per #2140 and have audio again. I presume this fix (#2140) will appear in an update shortly? I guess, since the openmoko OE tree has been

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-12-02 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Apologies in advance for what may be a dumb question - but does this | statement represent the conclusion of your team's work on audio issues | (buzz/echo/hiss etc.)? Or is there further work ongoing?

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-12-01 Thread Joseph Reeves
I've discovered the same: https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2148 Joseph 2008/12/1 William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Loaded it up and it rebooted fine, but isnt usable. Ive lost the spanner so I cant configure it It goes to sleep automaticly after a few seconds and without the

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-12-01 Thread William Kenworthy
Thanks, also I was bit too rushed. I shut down X which allowed me to stay logged in and find out that the customisations to get the spanner and keyboards had been undone - fixed them and I can now use the phone. The suspend time is fixable from the spanner so the settings isnt needed. Some of my

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-12-01 Thread William Kenworthy
Loaded it up and it rebooted fine, but isnt usable. Ive lost the spanner so I cant configure it It goes to sleep automaticly after a few seconds and without the spanner I cant figure out how to disable it (I see you mention that sleep time needs to be reset - but how?). Same if I have it

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-12-01 Thread Thomas White
On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:22:28 +0900 William Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: openmoocow (old version) started once out of three tries - left me at a grey screen otherwise. This is really my fault, due to a combination of MooCow's architecture in that version and the accelerometer driver

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-12-01 Thread John Lee
On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 10:22:28PM +0900, William Kenworthy wrote: Thanks, also I was bit too rushed. I shut down X which allowed me to stay logged in and find out that the customisations to get the spanner and keyboards had been undone - fixed them and I can now use the phone. The suspend

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-12-01 Thread John Lee
On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 10:22:28PM +0900, William Kenworthy wrote: Thanks, also I was bit too rushed. I shut down X which allowed me to stay logged in and find out that the customisations to get the spanner and keyboards had been undone - fixed them and I can now use the phone. The suspend

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-12-01 Thread Joseph Reeves
I've got: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# opkg status moko-gtk-engine Package: moko-gtk-engine Version: 0.1.0+svnr4734-r0 Depends: moko-gtk-theme, gtk+ (= 2.12.11), libatk-1.0-0 (= 1.20.0), pango (= 1.18.3), libcairo2 (= 1.6.4), libgobject-2.0-0 (= 2.16.4), libgmodule-2.0-0 (= 2.16.4), libc6 (= 2.6.1),

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-12-01 Thread Thomas White
On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:31:03 + Joseph Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There seems to be a strange problem with gtk apps that, when first loaded, they appear to freeze, but if you go back to home then select the open app from the top drop down list again, they work fine. It's an odd one to

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-12-01 Thread Andreas Fischer
Hi John, All, Just upgraded from 2008.9. Things to mention: - Boot time decreased. A lot! Thumbs up and a great Thank you for that :) - Also, startup time for applications (dialer) seems to have decreased. - As mentioned elsewhere, Enlightenment configuration was reset to not show the spanner and

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-12-01 Thread Joseph Reeves
Thanks Tom, Looks like _the_ big problem I've come across is well known to a fair few people. Cheers, Joseph 2008/12/1 Thomas White [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:31:03 + Joseph Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There seems to be a strange problem with gtk apps that, when

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-12-01 Thread Neil Jerram
2008/11/30 John Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Echo: Since there are different hw versions out there (a5, a6, a7), it's impossible to provide one alsa state file that suits all models. However, it seems you can always find appropriate values for your neo. My way is to adjust control.4 Speaker

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-12-01 Thread William Kenworthy
I'll reflash tonight and update, and investigate some of the other problems as well. I need a phone so I've gone back to 2008.9 until tonight :) Saving images makes it so much more flash friendly! I dont think its fault, as the cow mooed quite fine before I updated. It was really a hit at work

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-12-01 Thread William Kenworthy
Thanks John, I'll reflash back to it tonight and provide feedback. If its not volume, I'll raise a bug if I can figure out the cause. I am a bit cautious of generalising this instance as I upgraded from a 2008.9 that has had bits from FDOM and elsewhere dropped into it. BillK On Mon,

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-12-01 Thread Chia-I Wu
On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 02:06:34PM +0800, John Lee wrote: | * must remove 'ro' in kernel boot parameter if you use sd boot. At the moment Qi has ro boot everywhere by default, is this restriction just a temporary workaround for something? I think it's related to Olv's new boot scripts. I

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-12-01 Thread John Lee
On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 05:31:37PM +0100, Andreas Fischer wrote: Hi John, All, Just upgraded from 2008.9. Things to mention: - Boot time decreased. A lot! Thumbs up and a great Thank you for that :) - Also, startup time for applications (dialer) seems to have decreased. - As mentioned

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-12-01 Thread Jeremy Chang
On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 12:18:36AM +0300, Paul Fertser wrote: Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Hi, | | Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | For example some advice for Jeremy about suspend / resume issues | would be don't waste your

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-12-01 Thread John Lee
On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 12:18:36AM +0300, Paul Fertser wrote: And why the optimization team is still trying to fix bugs in Qtopia and derivitaves? Let Nokia do their work, if they really want to. Wouldn't it be better for the optimization team to hack on FSO or at least (as they are in

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-12-01 Thread John Lee
On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 09:29:48PM +, Neil Jerram wrote: 2008/11/30 John Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Echo: Since there are different hw versions out there (a5, a6, a7), it's impossible to provide one alsa state file that suits all models. However, it seems you can always find

Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-11-30 Thread John Lee
Dear Community, As Sushama (our new testing team member) indicated in http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/devel/2008-November/003493.html , we won't have a release in Nov. Currently the testing team is going to do a full test on the latest testing image. It has all the goodies we did and a lot

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-11-30 Thread Yorick Moko
great news, but can't the opkg upgrade detect which hw revision we have and install the best alsa state file? afterall, good call quality is something almost everybody wants y On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 12:50 PM, John Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Community, As Sushama (our new testing team

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-11-30 Thread Marcel
Or one could create a statefiles-metapackage and make the user choose his model upon installation - or do this in package setup/configuration scripts... -- Marcel Am Sunday 30 November 2008 13:01:47 schrieb Yorick Moko: great news, but can't the opkg upgrade detect which hw revision we have

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-11-30 Thread Franky Van Liedekerke
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:50:22 +0800 John Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Echo: Since there are different hw versions out there (a5, a6, a7), it's impossible to provide one alsa state file that suits all models. However, it seems you can always find appropriate values for your neo. My way is

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-11-30 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 07:50:22PM +0800, John Lee wrote: Echo: Since there are different hw versions out there (a5, a6, a7), it's impossible to provide one alsa state file that suits all models. However, it seems you can always find appropriate values for your neo. My way is to adjust

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-11-30 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: Hi John - | * some obsolete kernel modules still left in system If we didn't do it already, the packaged kernels need to move to having /lib/modules path that is specific to the kernel device and build,

GTK Redraw Issues (was: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29))

2008-11-30 Thread Thomas White
John Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Julian is working on the GTK redraw issue, please help him out. Be sure to see my previous analysis sent upstream: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=561591 The problem arises because gtk_window_move_resize() temporarily freezes redraws on the assmption

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-11-30 Thread Paul Fertser
Hi, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For example some advice for Jeremy about suspend / resume issues would be don't waste your time doing any suspend / resume work on 2.6.24 kernel, only on andy-tracking. I'm very sorry to jump in this thread. But this advice of yours is so much

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-11-30 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Hi, | | Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | For example some advice for Jeremy about suspend / resume issues | would be don't waste your time doing any suspend / resume work on | 2.6.24 kernel, only on

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-11-30 Thread Paul Fertser
Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Hi, | | Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | For example some advice for Jeremy about suspend / resume issues | would be don't waste your time doing any suspend / resume work on | 2.6.24 kernel, only on

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-11-30 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | What i'm trying to explain is that i see it as plain obvious that | anybody who wants to work on a kernel stuff should coordinate their | efforts on the kernel list. That anybody targeting fixing bugs in

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-11-30 Thread Fabian Henze
On 30.11.2008 at 12:50:22, John Lee wrote: Since there are different hw versions out there (a5, a6, a7), it's impossible to provide one alsa state file that suits all models. Just a short question: What is a7? Can you please update the wiki article about the GTA02 revisions? -- Fabian

Re: GTK Redraw Issues (was: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29))

2008-11-30 Thread The Rasterman
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:26:46 + Thomas White [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: John Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Julian is working on the GTK redraw issue, please help him out. Be sure to see my previous analysis sent upstream: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=561591 The problem

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-11-30 Thread John Lee
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 10:56:47PM +0100, Fabian Henze wrote: On 30.11.2008 at 12:50:22, John Lee wrote: Since there are different hw versions out there (a5, a6, a7), it's impossible to provide one alsa state file that suits all models. Just a short question: What is a7? Can you please

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-11-30 Thread John Lee
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 02:16:48PM +0100, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:50:22 +0800 John Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Echo: Since there are different hw versions out there (a5, a6, a7), it's impossible to provide one alsa state file that suits all models.

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-11-30 Thread John Lee
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 01:32:20PM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 07:50:22PM +0800, John Lee wrote: Echo: Since there are different hw versions out there (a5, a6, a7), it's impossible to provide one alsa state file that suits all models. However, it seems

Re: Optimization team update (11/23 ~ 11/29)

2008-11-30 Thread John Lee
On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 06:56:28PM +, Andy Green wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: Hi John - | * some obsolete kernel modules still left in system If we didn't do it already, the packaged kernels need to move to having