Re: Posibility to get status informations with the help of a LED
Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Gabriel Ambuehl writes: On Saturday 03 February 2007 18:50:02 Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Which is utterly sad, given I'm such a big fan of Blinkenlights... Trying to make sure we get a couple of multicolor LEDs in v2 ;) Much as I love flashing lights (there's just something *wrong* when my ethernet hub looks more like a computer than my computers do!), I'd much rather get more hardware buttons. Wiring application launching to the buttons on my Palm is really, really nice. You want illuminated buttons. Think about it. We have a winner! We really want buttons with changable logos - http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/ However, the only sort-of-practical way to do this is to use one internal 50*10mm or so OLED display, with 4-8 hardware buttons on top of it, which are transparent, and designed to relay the underlying display. Unfortunately - this will take up a _relatively_ large volume in the phone. I'd guess 8mm*55*13 - and a little more as the display is flat and the phone is not. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Posibility to get status informations with the help of a LED
Ian Stirling writes: We really want buttons with changable logos - http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/ However, the only sort-of-practical way to do this is to use one internal 50*10mm or so OLED display, with 4-8 hardware buttons on top of it, which are transparent, and designed to relay the underlying display. Unfortunately - this will take up a _relatively_ large volume in the phone. I'd guess 8mm*55*13 - and a little more as the display is flat and the phone is not. Yeah. Changeable logos on the buttons would be ideal, but just illuminating them with a fixed icon would be practical and extremely useful. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Posibility to get status informations with the help of a LED
Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Ian Stirling writes: We really want buttons with changable logos - http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/ However, the only sort-of-practical way to do this is to use one internal 50*10mm or so OLED display, with 4-8 hardware buttons on top of it, which are transparent, and designed to relay the underlying display. Unfortunately - this will take up a _relatively_ large volume in the phone. I'd guess 8mm*55*13 - and a little more as the display is flat and the phone is not. Yeah. Changeable logos on the buttons would be ideal, but just illuminating them with a fixed icon would be practical and extremely useful. With cunning icons, and a RGB LED you might even get three icons per LED. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Posibility to get status informations with the help of a LED
On Sun, 4 Feb 2007, Ian Stirling wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 3 Feb 2007, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Harald Welte wrote: I searched the different hardware specs and archives of the mailing list but didn't find any information if LEDs will be one part of the hardware. AFAIK the Neo1973 v1 will have no LEDs (beside the screen backlight and inside the touchscreen) This is true, no LED. Which is utterly sad, given I'm such a big fan of Blinkenlights... You want a phone that looks like the front panel of an Imsai 8080, right? Old Skool baby! http://www.dbit.com/~greeng3/pdp1/PDP1.10.jpg Hehe. That's the background image I want for my Neo. Speaking of which, once we're done with the functionality of all our great ideas, no reason not to have different skins, right? I mean the dialer application could use the traditional pushbuttons, or a retro round dial, or even a plug-and-jack switchboard interface (touch the headset, touch the appropriate jack, a wire appears and makes the connection...) http://groups.google.co.uk/group/sci.electronics.design/browse_thread/thread/52e1c0873fc9c79b/84aa18f138b3c438?lnk=stq=pdp-1+business+cardrnum=5hl=en#84aa18f138b3c438 Yikes! An Imsai with USB ports??!?!?!?!?! ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Posibility to get status informations with the help of a LED
On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 11:47:02AM +0100, Robert Michel wrote: Salve denis! denis schrieb am Donnerstag, den 01. Februar 2007 um 11:03h: I searched the different hardware specs and archives of the mailing list but didn't find any information if LEDs will be one part of the hardware. AFAIK the Neo1973 v1 will have no LEDs (beside the screen backlight and inside the touchscreen) This is true, no LED. -- - Harald Welte [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://openmoko.org/ Software for the world's first truly open Free Software mobile phone ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Posibility to get status informations with the help of a LED
Harald Welte wrote: I searched the different hardware specs and archives of the mailing list but didn't find any information if LEDs will be one part of the hardware. AFAIK the Neo1973 v1 will have no LEDs (beside the screen backlight and inside the touchscreen) This is true, no LED. Which is utterly sad, given I'm such a big fan of Blinkenlights... Trying to make sure we get a couple of multicolor LEDs in v2 ;) -- - Michael Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://openmoko.org/ Software for the worlds' first truly open Free Software mobile phone ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Posibility to get status informations with the help of a LED
One LED would be enough for me. But it's worth adding it to the hardware. ;) It's right that 1 to 4 hardware buttons would be nice as well. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Joe Pfeiffer Gesendet: Samstag, 3. Februar 2007 18:50 An: Michael 'Mickey' Lauer Cc: community@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Re: Posibility to get status informations with the help of a LED Michael 'Mickey' Lauer writes: Harald Welte wrote: I searched the different hardware specs and archives of the mailing list but didn't find any information if LEDs will be one part of the hardware. AFAIK the Neo1973 v1 will have no LEDs (beside the screen backlight and inside the touchscreen) This is true, no LED. Which is utterly sad, given I'm such a big fan of Blinkenlights... Trying to make sure we get a couple of multicolor LEDs in v2 ;) Much as I love flashing lights (there's just something *wrong* when my ethernet hub looks more like a computer than my computers do!), I'd much rather get more hardware buttons. Wiring application launching to the buttons on my Palm is really, really nice. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Posibility to get status informations with the help of a LED
On Sat, 3 Feb 2007, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Harald Welte wrote: I searched the different hardware specs and archives of the mailing list but didn't find any information if LEDs will be one part of the hardware. AFAIK the Neo1973 v1 will have no LEDs (beside the screen backlight and inside the touchscreen) This is true, no LED. Which is utterly sad, given I'm such a big fan of Blinkenlights... You want a phone that looks like the front panel of an Imsai 8080, right? :-) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Posibility to get status informations with the help of a LED
Salve denis! denis schrieb am Donnerstag, den 01. Februar 2007 um 11:03h: I searched the different hardware specs and archives of the mailing list but didn't find any information if LEDs will be one part of the hardware. AFAIK the Neo1973 v1 will have no LEDs (beside the screen backlight and inside the touchscreen) One of the most important things, from my point of view, talking abount a mobile phone is the possibility to get a silent alarm with the help of a LED. A binking screen should be visibel enough. So is something like this planed? We collected some ideas for the next version of the Neo and having one or more LEDs are already an idea/wish discussed here. Greetings rob ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Posibility to get status informations with the help of a LED
But for many reasons it is important to start whith an working device now (I don't want to restart a discussion about this, just as an explanaitions for Denis) and the Neo1973 will be much much more than I have dreamed about a hackable Linux phone for a long time! I understand that! Let us be happy what all we can do with the first version ;) I will definetly be happy with that version. ;) Because the shipping of the first version is very soon, it is now not the pefect time for hardware ideas for next generations, but to give you a feedback that your idea will not got lost I started a new page on our (temorary) wiki: http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/Hardware_wishes_for_next_versions But this LEDs are not soo important that you prefer to wait utill 2008 instead of getting the first hackable Linux phone in March - or? ;) For sure I will not wait for the phone till 2008. I'm so interested in the possibilties you have with such a phone so I can't wait any longer. Regards, Denis -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Robert Michel Gesendet: Donnerstag, 1. Februar 2007 12:41 An: community@lists.openmoko.org Betreff: Re: Posibility to get status informations with the help of a LED Salve denis! denis schrieb am Donnerstag, den 01. Februar 2007 um 12:17h: Salve rob! :) It's great that an implementation of LEDs is discussed. use google site:openmoko.org LED My problem with flashing screens is the high amount of energy that it costs. At the moment I have a SE S700i and I always have to turn the screen on in order to get to know if there are messages or emails. And blinking only two or three times is not enought because you're not looking at the screen all the time. Flashing LEDs have the advantage that they cost less energy and can blink over a large amount of time. So you just look at the LED and know ah there is a sms or ah I got an email. yes :) In my opinion it's not much effort to integrate a LED into the hardware and it gives you a lot of options for telling the user something about the status of its phone. Consider that the first devices will be send out in the next days, so I would love to see a postponing of the release for adding some more nice hardware feature to the Neo, like flashing LEDs But for many reasons it is important to start whith an working device now (I don't want to restart a discussion about this, just as an explanaitions for Denis) and the Neo1973 will be much much more than I have dreamed about a hackable Linux phone for a long time! Let us be happy what all we can do with the first version ;) Because the shipping of the first version is very soon, it is now not the pefect time for hardware ideas for next generations, but to give you a feedback that your idea will not got lost I started a new page on our (temorary) wiki: http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/OpenMoko/Hardware_wishes_for_next_versions But this LEDs are not soo important that you prefer to wait utill 2008 instead of getting the first hackable Linux phone in March - or? ;) Greetings, rob ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
