I missed the answer, if any, to this.
Is the "Gooseneck" Car Holder still available?
regards
Martin
Peter Trapp wrote:
On Donnerstag, 27. März 2008, steve wrote:
Maybe I just create a "spares" product?
with 3 batteries, and some other goodies thrown in?
What goodies would
Le jeudi 27 mars 2008 à 10:30 -0700, steve a écrit :
Yes,
The information about returns and defects etc needs to be shared. First,
however, it needs to be established or estimated. I haven’t seen a single
number from anybody on the demand rate for batteries or LCD or back covers.
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 8:18 PM, joerg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Alas there is *absolutely* *NO* way for NEO though to tell when your
braindead
850mA charger will start to slowly melt down overnight when you set 1A charge
mode via applet. It's very unlikely there will ever be any trouble
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the big problem is that there is no
standard for reporting current capacity other than the USB protocol,
which is not supported by dumb chargers.
What this means is that the various tricks that we and others play
(shorting unused data pins, adding
Michel,
this is a perfect description of the current situation.
You have to wear the t-shirt yourself! :-)
cherrs
jOERG
Am Fr 28. März 2008 schrieb Michael Shiloh:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the big problem is that there is no
standard for reporting current capacity other than the
Thx.
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Engineering says: you can't have both, 1A charging _and_ protection for
every
of
the Freerunner spare parts)
Michel,
this is a perfect description of the current situation.
You have to wear the t-shirt yourself! :-)
cherrs
jOERG
Am Fr 28. März 2008 schrieb Michael Shiloh:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the big problem is that there is no
standard for reporting current
community discussion
Subject: Re: Price of the Freerunner spare parts
Wolfgang Spraul wrote:
There are lots of clones of these Nokia batteries, we bought a few and
can give you the names. But basically anything BL-4C, BL-5C, BL-6C
compatible should work.
Just my $0.02 here, but:
*Should* work
I dont believe the replacements have the columb counter.
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steve schrieb:
Maybe I just create a spares product?
with 3 batteries, and some other goodies thrown in?
What goodies would go in that bag?
Well, if would have to decide I would like to see a spare LCD/touch kit.
The LCD is the most (mechanically) sensitive part and thus the easiest
to
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Subject: Re: Price of the Freerunner spare parts
National warranties aside (I'm a libertarian...) I see certifying
aftermarket accessories as a crucial step for Openmoko, or at the v
ery least picking ONE that works well with a Neo/Freerunner device.
I recently purchased
I've been using my GTA01 as my regular phone for quite a while and I've
got some
chips, a crease and a dim spot on the screen where I always tapped it to bring
the back light on. Having spare LCDs would be a good idea.
Quoting Nils Faerber [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
steve schrieb:
Maybe I just
: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 8:13 AM
To: community@lists.openmoko.org
Cc: Marcus Bauer
Subject: Re: headphone (was: RE: Price of the Freerunner spare parts)
Am Mi 26. März 2008 schrieb Marcus Bauer:
On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 18:58 -0700, steve wrote:
But onto your specifics:
4. Headsets
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| I'm marketing and have been appropriately lobotomized) is that our device
| checks the ID of the charger and then determines whether or not we can
fast
| charge. ( greater than 750ma I think... )
Right,
On Donnerstag, 27. März 2008, steve wrote:
Maybe I just create a spares product?
with 3 batteries, and some other goodies thrown in?
What goodies would go in that bag?
In one of the first announcements there was a car holder (including a car
charger).
Do they still/already exist?
cheers
If the goal is to have only one kind of spares kit, I would put in:
1-2 batteries (100% original)
1 battery cover (100% original)
1 USB charger (if that is a special one)
no LCD
no other components (e.g. no USB cables, memory chips, they are
commodity)
I think resellers can put 2 or 3
Am Do 27. März 2008 schrieb steve:
Hi Kevin,
Libertarian as well here. The first charger I want to test is my iGo as
well.
A while back I discussed the fast charging issue with Engineering. I'll
revisit that issue and get back to you guys. My understanding ( rememeber
I'm marketing and
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Am Mi 26. März 2008 schrieb clare:
On Wed, 26 Mar 2008, Wolfgang Spraul wrote:
This is pretty much finished on my end.
Nokia BL-6C.
Allen Lin did tests (we could only get BL-5C so far, also works
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 2:58 PM, joerg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Correct, it checks for 48k-OHM resistor on ID-pin of mini-USB, then enables
1A
instead of 100/500mA USB-standard.
You also may enable 1A-mode (and 500mA mode) via some small GUI-app IIRC.
This is possible via userspace with
I was just about to ask, what would happen if I enabled 1A charging
when the Freerunner was plugged into a normal USB port? AFAIK some
devices do draw more then spec (USB laptop hdds come to mind), and
these seem to work fine.
Cheers
Federico
On 3/27/08, Kevin Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On
ok, let me noodle on this a bit. I have some ideas.
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Am Do 27. März 2008 schrieb steve:
Hi Kevin,
Libertarian as well here. The first charger I want to test is my iGo as
well.
A while back I discussed the fast charging issue with Engineering. I'll
revisit that issue and get
: Price of the Freerunner spare parts
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 2:58 PM, joerg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Correct, it checks for 48k-OHM resistor on ID-pin of mini-USB, then
enables 1A
instead of 100/500mA USB-standard.
You also may enable 1A-mode (and 500mA mode) via some small GUI-app IIRC
Somebody in the thread at some point said:
Thanks Kevin,
I recall asking engineering what would happen if somebody disabled this
check ( hey its open source) and the general impression was that if the
charger was not capable of fast charging then you would not have nice
outcomes. I think the
Depends on the USB port. You may end up blowing some protection on your
motherboard, or worse. OTOH it may be just fine - my HP laptop has one port
rated at 2A to power external DVD and HDD. Most devices that draw 500mA have
a Y-cable so they can pull power from 2 sockets.
On Thursday 27 March
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Subject: Re: Price of the Freerunner spare parts
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 2:58 PM, joerg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Correct, it checks for 48k-OHM resistor on ID-pin of mini-USB, then
enables 1A
instead of 100/500mA USB-standard.
You also may enable
(PLEASE CHANGE SUBJECT WHEN TOPIC CHANGES!)
I don't think the Neo would get damaged.
I think the only damage might occur to the charger, whether the charger
is a computer or a charger only. A charger (or computer) designed to
provide, say, 200mA might overheat if more that 200mA is drawn,
that question.
Steve
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On Thu, Mar 27, 2008
Am Do 27. März 2008 schrieb Bobby Martin:
I just want to make it clear: my python userspace app
(http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/CheckFastCharge-script) *won't*
automatically send you into fast charge mode. It automatically *asks*
you if you want to go into fast charge mode whenever a slow
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Am Mi 26. März 2008 schrieb clare:
On Wed, 26 Mar 2008, Wolfgang Spraul wrote:
This is pretty much finished on my end.
Nokia BL-6C.
Allen Lin did tests (we could only get BL-5C so far, also works
Le lundi 24 mars 2008 à 16:00 -0700, steve a écrit :
I thought about spare parts a while back. The Issue is this.
1. WHAT do I stock ( which parts)
2. How Many do I stock?
3. How do I sell them to you?
4. What will it cost?
5. how do you get them?
I suppose I could Offer component kits
On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 18:58 -0700, steve wrote:
But onto your specifics:
4. Headsets. It’s a standard part.
Hi Steve,
I looked on the wiki pages but can't find the specs. As nokia headsets
with a 2.5mm plug don't work (different wiring and impedance) there are
apparently several
Am Mi 26. März 2008 schrieb Marcus Bauer:
On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 18:58 -0700, steve wrote:
But onto your specifics:
4. Headsets. It’s a standard part.
Hi Steve,
I looked on the wiki pages but can't find the specs. As nokia headsets
with a 2.5mm plug don't work (different
Am Mi 26. März 2008 schrieb Marcus Bauer:
On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 18:58 -0700, steve wrote:
But onto your specifics:
4. Headsets. It’s a standard part.
Hi Steve,
I looked on the wiki pages but can't find the specs. As nokia headsets
with a 2.5mm plug don't work (different
joerg wrote:
AFAIK, the BL-?C will fit and power the device, but like bat for GTA01 they
have no telemetry (smart bat). So you won't get a bat-fuel-indicator with
nokia bat. Charging isn't quite tested i think.
That's an important thing imho...! Then I've read a thread on the kernel
list
discussion
Subject: Price of the Freerunner spare parts
Am So 23. März 2008 schrieb Sean Moss-Pultz:
We will have our own hub in the EU. Neos will move directly from our
factory to that hub.
What's about availability and pricing of spare parts like LCM, battery,
housing
screens? do
I pass those costs on everyone?
Steve
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I think spare parts
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On Mon, 2008-03-24 at 16:00 -0700, steve wrote:
I thought about spare parts a while back. The Issue
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Hi Steve,
There is a different between countries.
It's a legal (rules and regulations) issue. in my county you can not seal
Wolfgang Spraul wrote:
There are lots of clones of these Nokia batteries, we bought a few and
can give you the names. But basically anything BL-4C, BL-5C, BL-6C
compatible should work.
Just my $0.02 here, but:
*Should* work, or *definitely* work? I'd rather not buy a 'maybe'
battery and
Am Mi 26. März 2008 schrieb ian douglas:
Wolfgang Spraul wrote:
There are lots of clones of these Nokia batteries, we bought a few and
can give you the names. But basically anything BL-4C, BL-5C, BL-6C
compatible should work.
Just my $0.02 here, but:
*Should* work, or *definitely*
National warranties aside (I'm a libertarian...) I see certifying
aftermarket accessories as a crucial step for Openmoko, or at the v
ery least picking ONE that works well with a Neo/Freerunner device.
I recently purchased an iGo charger in the USA that claimed it could
charger a 100, 500 or 1000
On Wed, 26 Mar 2008, Wolfgang Spraul wrote:
This is pretty much finished on my end.
Nokia BL-6C.
Allen Lin did tests (we could only get BL-5C so far, also works).
There are lots of clones of these Nokia batteries, we bought a few and can
give you the names. But basically anything BL-4C,
Am Mi 26. März 2008 schrieb clare:
On Wed, 26 Mar 2008, Wolfgang Spraul wrote:
This is pretty much finished on my end.
Nokia BL-6C.
Allen Lin did tests (we could only get BL-5C so far, also works).
There are lots of clones of these Nokia batteries, we bought a few and can
give you
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Am So 23. März 2008 schrieb Sean Moss-Pultz:
We will have our own hub in the EU. Neos will move directly from our
factory to that hub.
What's about availability and pricing of spare parts
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Am So 23. März 2008 schrieb Sean Moss-Pultz:
We will have our own hub in the EU. Neos will move directly
Am Di 25. März 2008 schrieb steve:
I thought about spare parts a while back. The Issue is this.
1. WHAT do I stock ( which parts)
Obviously, NOT:
Standard parts which are easily available elsewhere
Parts which can't be replaced (chips)
Parts too expensive in relation to cost of
On Mon, 2008-03-24 at 16:00 -0700, steve wrote:
I thought about spare parts a while back. The Issue is this.
1. WHAT do I stock ( which parts)
batteries
2. How Many do I stock?
thousands ;-)
3. How do I sell them to you?
via the resellers
4. What will it cost?
free as in beer :°)
Am So 23. März 2008 schrieb Sean Moss-Pultz:
We will have our own hub in the EU. Neos will move directly from our
factory to that hub.
What's about availability and pricing of spare parts like LCM, battery,
housing?
Will there be any repair service?
cheers
jOERG
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