Fredrik Wendt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> / Fredrik Wendt, who also has the exact same device Scott has, as many
> others do too but doesn't scream WTF as soon his/her proclaimed
> non-finished device shows it's serious hickups
thx, you speak from my heart.
best regards ...
clemens
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sön 2008-08-10 klockan 09:13 -0700 skrev steve:
> I'll Agree in part that the web shop could be clearer. So we will fix
that.
Thank you,
e complete, but it will give you an idea of the
direction we are headed.
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sön 2008-08-10 klockan 09:13 -0700 skrev steve:
> I'll Agree in part that the web shop could be clearer. So we will fix that.
Thank you, on behalf of those that can't look deep enough to understand
the state of the openmoko software (and hence the smartphone).
> Shipping with Qtopia really wasn'
2008/8/10 Flyin_bbb8 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Hahaha :p
>
>>
>> iphone geeks :-) (ow, i said it)
>>
>>
The funny thing is, in my idealistic brain, I thought geeks shouldn't even
want the iPhone... I know I don't want to have anything to do with that
closed system. I am truly amazed at how many of t
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2008-08-09 klockan 20:02 -0700, steve:
> If you want a ready to use phone you can always download the Qtopia
> distrubtion onto your freerunner and get A perfectly great ready to
> use phone. Then you can wait while 2008
Hahaha :p
>
> iphone geeks :-) (ow, i said it)
>
>
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> But who would buy a $400 phone with just looking at pictures or reading a
iphone geeks :-) (ow, i said it)
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But who would buy a $400 phone with just looking at pictures or reading a
blog or something mentioning it, then going to the website (openmoko.com)
and buying it. without checking the wiki or asking anyone that owns
it.. openmoko.com doesn't give any proper information on anything other
tha
Sat, 9 Aug 2008 21:02:33 -0400
Jeff Davis basically said that it's wrong to ask people to buy another
phone if they're unhappy with the FreeRunner, no matter if they used bad
language, weren't constructive in any way:
> [snip]
In part (or principle) I agree to what you're saying. I starte
2008-08-09 klockan 20:02 -0700, steve:
> If you want a ready to use phone you can always download the Qtopia
> distrubtion onto your freerunner and get
> A perfectly great ready to use phone. Then you can wait while 2008.8 matures
> and then download it when
> It is end user ready.
I agree but th
> I think managing expectations is the crucial part...even slashdot
> had a pretty lukewarm response to the FR, going by the comments.
> Most of the discussion I've seen around the web seems to focus on
> the preliminary state of the software rather than then openness of
> the phone.
For sure
Stephen Shelton wrote:
> I think the the largest pain points involving Openmoko all come down to
> documentation.
>
>
> Most specifically, I do NOT want to be told that something is stable when it
> is
> not. The 2008.8 is anything but stable. Half the apps didn't work, the GUI was
> occasionall
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Jeff Davis wrote:
> Telling people to buy another phone if they want one that makes phone
> calls is not exactly the kind of product endor
On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 9:02 PM, Jeff Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes, I agree, but people that bought one without knowing the full extent are
> going to be mad. It's essentially a
> $400 mistakethe only real return policy stated is against the hardware
> being
> DOA and not buyer's regr
I think the the largest pain points involving Openmoko all come down to
documentation.
Most specifically, I do NOT want to be told that something is stable when it is
not. The 2008.8 is anything but stable. Half the apps didn't work, the GUI was
occasionally responsive, and, hell, I couldn't even
> Coverage of the FR gives one the impression that it's a phone for general
> use and not a development phone. You have
> to look at the wiki before you find out the phone software isn't ready for
> primetime.
>
No one can control the coverage. I do think they should put a large
warning on the o
>
> The smartphone is both hardware and software - it's not as trivial as a
> hammer that you compared it with.
Few analogies fit 1:1. It was just an example.
Coverage of the FR gives one the impression that it's a phone for general
use and not a development phone. You have
to look at the wik
http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/report/6
Add to an existing bug, or create a new one if differences exist
BillK
On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 22:41 +0200, Olivier Berger wrote:
> William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >
> > OM has a TRAC system - if there is a problem raise a bug for it. Th
Jeff Davis wrote:
> Telling people to buy another phone if they want one that makes phone calls
> is not exactly
> the kind of product endorsement most people are looking for.
The smartphone is both hardware and software - it's not as trivial as a
hammer that you compared it with.
The hardware
>Or get a phone from some generic vendor. Apple has a cool and slick one called
>iPhone. Might suite you just fine.
The iPhone can at least make and receive phone calls reliably, which
seems to put it ahead
of the FreeRunner at this point.
Telling people to buy another phone if they want one that
Jay Vaughan wrote:
>> Why the developers are spending time breaking things that were
>> previously
>> worked (see ASU keyboard), rather than fixing what's broken and in
>> desperate
>> need of fixing, is beyond me.
>>
>>
>
> Yeah I concur with this here, its definitely been a matter of
>
William Kenworthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> OM has a TRAC system - if there is a problem raise a bug for it. The
> sooner they are told something is wrong, the sooner it will get
> attention. Especially the keyboard - if people just rant, it will get
> ignored. Tell them what a pile it is
On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 13:33 -0500, Jacob Peterson wrote:
> You need to take into account that this is just a milestone release,
...
>
> "- A stable and working phone stack realized by using Qtopia.
...
>
> I would say it does meet all of those points.
>
> What is it not, is a final phone d
>
> Well the problem is that the toolchain has such a huge ramp-up to just
> get started that there really isn't much contribution to the mainline
> base packages from the community.
I'm not an expert, but I agree.
I think it would be possible to make a SDK with Eclipse.
It would come with arm
On 2008-08-09, 09:51 -0600 Scott wrote words in English and overall
acted out as he was less then 10 yrs old, and this is snippets of what
he wrote:
> [...] WTF over?
> Can't we have just one damn boot screen?
[...]
> Why is it so slow now? Everything takes forever?
>
> Why won't it wake up from
> Well, that's just mean. It's not like they don't listen to the
> community
> or communicate with it, on ALL levels. But it's not like all community
> ideas can be implemented immideately, and that everyone can be made
> happy. Anarchy doesn't work even in open source.
>
Well the problem is tha
> "- A stable and working phone stack realized by using Qtopia.
according to several reports at least that has not been achieved.
besides the keyboard issue (which is probably rather easy to hack) that's
what is stopping me from switching to 2008.8.
i use the fr as sole phone (i get very seldom
> Why the developers are spending time breaking things that were
> previously
> worked (see ASU keyboard), rather than fixing what's broken and in
> desperate
> need of fixing, is beyond me.
>
Yeah I concur with this here, its definitely been a matter of
patience, watching things go backward
Kalle Happonen wrote:
> Bumbl wrote:
>
>> As it seems they have the contrary.
>> They have a leader which seems to dictate everything without
>> accepting ideas from the developers or the community.
>>
>>
>>
> Well, that's just mean. It's not like they don't listen to the community
> or
You need to take into account that this is just a milestone release, a
snapshot of the current progress of the ASU development. It is *NOT* a
final release in any way, shape or form. If you read the announcement by
William Lai he lists:
"- A stable and working phone stack realized by using Qtopi
Am Samstag 09 August 2008 18:11:11 schrieb Mike Montour:
> Scott wrote:
> > Booting up... Could it be any more confusing?? First the OM screen,
> > then the standard linux text scrolling, then the boots, then blank, then
> > the boots again, then some more text, then blank again??? WTF over?
> >
Bumbl wrote:
> As it seems they have the contrary.
> They have a leader which seems to dictate everything without
> accepting ideas from the developers or the community.
>
>
Well, that's just mean. It's not like they don't listen to the community
or communicate with it, on ALL levels. But it's
As it seems they have the contrary.
They have a leader which seems to dictate everything without
accepting ideas from the developers or the community.
Dimitri wrote:
> It's hard to argue with your points, since the phone STILL can't connect to
> the internet *out-of-the-box*.
>
> (Who wants to man
It's hard to argue with your points, since the phone STILL can't connect to
the internet *out-of-the-box*.
(Who wants to manually hack a dozen files, or install some guy's
half-working gui posted on some blog that requires google-translate to
read?)
Why the developers are spending time breaking
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ted braak wrote:
> It is not stable, software is not fast, and power management is not reliable.
> Announcing something this way leads to disappointments.
> I have real doubts about the some Quality Assurance aspects of this team.
> Also I don't see
2008 was launched like this:
William Lai wrote:
" Here is what you can expect:
- A stable and working phone stack realized by using Qtopia.
- A new and flexible window manager [Illume] that broadens our support
for the different graphic libraries, including GTK+ and more.
- The whole system s
Mike Montour wrote:
> Scott wrote:
>
>
>> Booting up... Could it be any more confusing?? First the OM screen,
>> then the standard linux text scrolling, then the boots, then blank, then
>> the boots again, then some more text, then blank again??? WTF over?
>> Can't we have just one damn bo
Scott wrote:
> Booting up... Could it be any more confusing?? First the OM screen,
> then the standard linux text scrolling, then the boots, then blank, then
> the boots again, then some more text, then blank again??? WTF over?
> Can't we have just one damn boot screen?
The first one ("OM s
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