Re: Neo as cellular modem?

2008-05-31 Thread Clinton Ebadi
Matt Mets [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It should be no problem. You just have to set up your routing tables correctly so that the desktop knows to route its traffic to the device, and the device knows to forward traffic to the cellular connection. It would be really handy to have an

Re: USB power direction in host mode (was: Re: 3G USB Dongle (was Re: Neo as cellular modem?))

2008-05-29 Thread Federico Lorenzi
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 4:18 AM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Do 29. Mai 2008 schrieb Michael Shiloh: Andy Green wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Am Mi 28. Mai 2008 schrieb Brad Midgley: | Joerg |

Re: Neo as cellular modem?

2008-05-29 Thread Joachim Steiger
Michael Shiloh wrote: Alexey Feldgendler wrote: On Wed, 28 May 2008 02:15:16 +0200, Matt Mets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It might also be cool to have the Freerunner act as a wireless router! Instant (slow) internet anywhere... In ad-hoc network mode only. AFAIK the WiFi chip used in

Re: 3G USB Dongle (was Re: Neo as cellular modem?)

2008-05-29 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | YEP. but from this sniplet I don't understand whether it also will enter | LOGICAL hostmode like with a short to GND on ID-pin. | | That's the crux, do *both* No, nothing is watching ID level right now.

Re: Neo as cellular modem?

2008-05-29 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Please someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the WiFi chip in | fact _can_ do AP mode, but that mode is not allowed in the open source | driver. | | its a firmware. the wifi module has its own

Re: Neo as cellular modem?

2008-05-29 Thread Michael Shiloh
Joerg Reisenweber wrote: hmmm you really have a talent to ask interesting questions I'll take that as a compliment, although most people find it irritating :-) In this case it's actually my job :-) dunno... yet I understand. It's not a trivial question. I know that you won't claim

Re: Neo as cellular modem?

2008-05-29 Thread Alexey Feldgendler
On Thu, 29 May 2008 08:59:10 +0200, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're helpless unless Atheros decided to implement Master mode in their closed firmware. Unfortunately the power advantages of having the bulk of the ieee80211 actions managed in the firmware are pretty compelling so I

Re: Neo as cellular modem?

2008-05-29 Thread Ivo Anjo
I think, for example, you can't do WPA in ad-hoc mode (only WPA2), so there's a reason. There are some others like this one. Ivo On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 29 May 2008 08:59:10 +0200, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're

Re: Neo as cellular modem?

2008-05-29 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Do 29. Mai 2008 schrieb Andy Green: Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Please someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the WiFi chip in | fact _can_ do AP mode, but that mode is not allowed in the open source | driver. | | its a firmware. the wifi module has its own

Re: Neo as cellular modem?

2008-05-29 Thread Michael Shiloh
Alexey Feldgendler wrote: On Thu, 29 May 2008 08:59:10 +0200, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're helpless unless Atheros decided to implement Master mode in their closed firmware. Unfortunately the power advantages of having the bulk of the ieee80211 actions managed in the firmware

Re: Neo as cellular modem?

2008-05-29 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Do 29. Mai 2008 schrieb Michael Shiloh: Alexey Feldgendler wrote: On Thu, 29 May 2008 08:59:10 +0200, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're helpless unless Atheros decided to implement Master mode in their closed firmware. Unfortunately the power advantages of having the bulk

Re: Neo as cellular modem?

2008-05-29 Thread Michael Shiloh
Joerg Reisenweber wrote: Am Do 29. Mai 2008 schrieb Michael Shiloh: Alexey Feldgendler wrote: On Thu, 29 May 2008 08:59:10 +0200, Andy Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're helpless unless Atheros decided to implement Master mode in their closed firmware. Unfortunately the power

Re: Neo as cellular modem?

2008-05-29 Thread David Samblas Martinez
: Neo as cellular modem? Para: List for Openmoko community discussion lt;community@lists.openmoko.orggt; Fecha: jueves, 29 mayo, 2008 6:00 Alexey Feldgendler wrote: gt; On Thu, 29 May 2008 08:59:10 +0200, Andy Green lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote: gt; gt;gt; We're helpless unless Atheros decided

Re: Neo as cellular modem?

2008-05-29 Thread Brad Midgley
David If anyone is really interested in make this phone an AP to whatever use and if a external power is an option, why not use a USB 1.1 wireless adapter able to do that even it only do it in b instead of g if the usb 1.1 doen't allow the 54 Mb/s I've not had much luck finding a solid

Re: Neo as cellular modem?

2008-05-29 Thread Michael Shiloh
: De: Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: Neo as cellular modem? Para: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Fecha: jueves, 29 mayo, 2008 6:00 Alexey Feldgendler wrote: On Thu, 29 May 2008 08:59:10 +0200, Andy Green [EMAIL

Re: Neo as cellular modem?

2008-05-28 Thread Alexey Feldgendler
On Wed, 28 May 2008 02:15:16 +0200, Matt Mets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It might also be cool to have the Freerunner act as a wireless router!  Instant (slow) internet anywhere... In ad-hoc network mode only. AFAIK the WiFi chip used in the Freerunner doesn't support AP mode. -- Alexey

Re: 3G USB Dongle (was Re: Neo as cellular modem?)

2008-05-28 Thread Brad Midgley
Andy I have one of these 3G dongles, it should work from Freerunner battery OK since we have a charge pump for the full 500mA it is allowed to pull. this verizon dongle comes with a Y cable of its own to plug into two usb host ports... ostensibly because it pulls more than 500mA. -- Brad

Re: 3G USB Dongle (was Re: Neo as cellular modem?)

2008-05-28 Thread Federico Lorenzi
That must be a really power hungry one... I plan on using my 3G / HSDPA Nokia E51 with the FreeRunner, probably over Bluetooth, but if that is too slow, then I'll give USB a shot. It doesn't charge over USB, so it shouldn't need too much power. Cheers, Federico On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 3:46 PM,

Re: 3G USB Dongle (was Re: Neo as cellular modem?)

2008-05-28 Thread Brad Midgley
Joerg On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:30 AM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Mi 28. Mai 2008 schrieb Brad Midgley: i think it may still be up in the air Nope it's not, see Y-cable in wiki. Should work perfectly. You just have to find the 5pin-mini-USB-plug to DIY one. is EN_USBHOST

Re: 3G USB Dongle (was Re: Neo as cellular modem?)

2008-05-28 Thread Brad Midgley
Andy ~ It certainly works out OK for USB memory sticks anyway. Battery life will be impacted it is fair to say though. not to sound like too much of a nut... I love my portable tech gear... but there is a battery-operated hub that might be interesting to toss in the mix (CP-H420MP). I'm

Re: 3G USB Dongle (was Re: Neo as cellular modem?)

2008-05-28 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Mi 28. Mai 2008 schrieb Brad Midgley: Joerg On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:30 AM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Mi 28. Mai 2008 schrieb Brad Midgley: i think it may still be up in the air Nope it's not, see Y-cable in wiki. Should work perfectly. You just have to

Re: 3G USB Dongle (was Re: Neo as cellular modem?)

2008-05-28 Thread Andy Green
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Am Mi 28. Mai 2008 schrieb Brad Midgley: | Joerg | | On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:30 AM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] | wrote: | Am Mi 28. Mai 2008 schrieb Brad Midgley: | i think it may still be up

Re: Neo as cellular modem?

2008-05-28 Thread Michael Shiloh
Alexey Feldgendler wrote: On Wed, 28 May 2008 02:15:16 +0200, Matt Mets [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It might also be cool to have the Freerunner act as a wireless router! Instant (slow) internet anywhere... In ad-hoc network mode only. AFAIK the WiFi chip used in the Freerunner doesn't

Re: USB power direction in host mode (was: Re: 3G USB Dongle (was Re: Neo as cellular modem?))

2008-05-28 Thread Brad Midgley
Michael Question: Is it possible to charge the Neo Freerunner when using the USB port in host mode, by ascerting LOGICAL hostmode and by NOT asserting EN_USBHOST? It's not just related, it goes to the core of the issue. :) Joerg assured us that we can do this. When the 47k resistor is

Re: 3G USB Dongle (was Re: Neo as cellular modem?)

2008-05-28 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Mi 28. Mai 2008 schrieb Andy Green: Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Am Mi 28. Mai 2008 schrieb Brad Midgley: | Joerg | | On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:30 AM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED] | wrote: | Am Mi 28. Mai 2008 schrieb Brad Midgley: | i think it may still be up

Re: Neo as cellular modem?

2008-05-28 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
hmmm you really have a talent to ask interesting questions dunno... yet /j signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: USB power direction in host mode (was: Re: 3G USB Dongle (was Re: Neo as cellular modem?))

2008-05-28 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
Am Do 29. Mai 2008 schrieb Michael Shiloh: Andy Green wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Somebody in the thread at some point said: | Am Mi 28. Mai 2008 schrieb Brad Midgley: | Joerg | | On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:30 AM, Joerg Reisenweber [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Neo as cellular modem?

2008-05-27 Thread nickd
I think you should be able to but GPRS data rates aren't anything to be proud of [1], especially with web pages these days built assuming broadband bandwidth. You might get away with sites built for mobiles though. If I were you I'd work out how to get access to some wireless somewhere

RE: Neo as cellular modem?

2008-05-27 Thread Matt Mets
It should be no problem.  You just have to set up your routing tables correctly so that the desktop knows to route its traffic to the device, and the device knows to forward traffic to the cellular connection.  It would be really handy to have an application to configure all of this

3G USB Dongle (was Re: Neo as cellular modem?)

2008-05-27 Thread nickd
That's a great idea Matt! Might be a drain on the battery moving packets around though. Speaking of which, would anyone know if it would be possible to use a 3G USB dongle on one of these? I can't see why not. I have a friend here in Australia who users a Three (Hutchinson) network USB dongle