Re: Ready For Prime Time?

2007-01-30 Thread Christopher Heiny
On Wednesday 24 January 2007 19:14, Jeremy Nikolai scribbled in crayon on 
the back of a kid's menu:
 I thought I read something a while ago that the first generation Neo
 _wasn't_ going to be multitouch capable, and it hasn't been mentioned
 in the specs recently - does anyone know definitively either way?

From what I know, 1st gen will be resistive touch screen, single coordinate 
reporting only.

[This may have been answered already - I'm still catching up after a 
vacation]

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Re: Ready For Prime Time?

2007-01-25 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Duncan Hudson writes:
That's encouraging - I am anxiously awaiting the Neo.  But it doesn't 
answer the question as to whether or not an FCC filing has been made.  
Maybe it can be used elsewhere on 3/11, but it can't be used in the US 
unless it's been certified by the FCC.  Generally when the certification 
is done the filing is visible online - I don't see any OpenMoko or FIC 
filings listed for such a device.  And that worries me, as I'm dieing 
for this thing to arrive.

I spent a little while on fcc.gov trying to find filings, and couldn't
find them (for this phone, or any other).  Where (or how) should I
have been looking?

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RE: Ready For Prime Time?

2007-01-25 Thread Sam Kome
Joe,

As with many US gov sites, the information scent isn't as strong as it
could be, but start here: https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/

You'll want the 'Generic Search' link on the left, Reports menu.
When you find a phone (I haven't looked for Neo yet, I suspect it hasn't
been filed), click on Detail in the Display Exhibits column. And
have a .pdf viewer handy.

Hopes this helps,

SK

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Duncan Hudson writes:
That's encouraging - I am anxiously awaiting the Neo.  But it doesn't 
answer the question as to whether or not an FCC filing has been made.  
Maybe it can be used elsewhere on 3/11, but it can't be used in the US 
unless it's been certified by the FCC.  Generally when the
certification 
is done the filing is visible online - I don't see any OpenMoko or FIC 
filings listed for such a device.  And that worries me, as I'm dieing 
for this thing to arrive.

I spent a little while on fcc.gov trying to find filings, and couldn't
find them (for this phone, or any other).  Where (or how) should I
have been looking?

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RE: Ready For Prime Time?

2007-01-25 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Sam Kome writes:

As with many US gov sites, the information scent isn't as strong as it
could be, but start here: https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/

You'll want the 'Generic Search' link on the left, Reports menu.
When you find a phone (I haven't looked for Neo yet, I suspect it hasn't
been filed), click on Detail in the Display Exhibits column. And
have a .pdf viewer handy.

Hopes this helps,

It helps a lot -- but I didn't find the filing either...


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Re: Ready For Prime Time?

2007-01-24 Thread Dave Crossland

On 24/01/07, Duncan Hudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I'm starting to get excited about the phone, and I really don't want to
see my hopes dashed.  Has an FCC filing been made, is the phone ready to
go?


I believe so. From
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-January/001586.html
:

   2007-03-11 Phase 1: Official Developer Launch
   We will sell the Neo1973 direct from openmoko.com for US$350 plus
   shipping. Sales and orders will be worldwide. We are specifically
   targeting open source community developers.


What about the multi-point touch screen?  It's wonderful, but
doesn't Apple have a patent on that?


Kinda.

http://hrmpf.com/wordpress/48/new-apple-patents/
http://hrmpf.com/wordpress/51/apple-multipoint-touchscreen/

Of particular interest to OpenMoko developers will be
http://www.fingerworks.com/gesture_guide_mouse.html
:-)

Good background story at
http://crunchgear.com/2007/01/15/multi-touch-technology-and-where-its-going-nextoh-and-apple-didnt-invent-it-either/

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Re: Ready For Prime Time?

2007-01-24 Thread Pranav Desai

On 1/24/07, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 24/01/07, Duncan Hudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm starting to get excited about the phone, and I really don't want to
 see my hopes dashed.  Has an FCC filing been made, is the phone ready to
 go?

I believe so. From
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-January/001586.html
:

2007-03-11 Phase 1: Official Developer Launch
We will sell the Neo1973 direct from openmoko.com for US$350 plus
shipping. Sales and orders will be worldwide. We are specifically
targeting open source community developers.


Does that mean that in the case of high demand or low supply
(especially for the Phase 1) ... the members of this list have a
higher priority :-)


 What about the multi-point touch screen?  It's wonderful, but
 doesn't Apple have a patent on that?

Kinda.

http://hrmpf.com/wordpress/48/new-apple-patents/
http://hrmpf.com/wordpress/51/apple-multipoint-touchscreen/

Of particular interest to OpenMoko developers will be
http://www.fingerworks.com/gesture_guide_mouse.html
:-)

Good background story at
http://crunchgear.com/2007/01/15/multi-touch-technology-and-where-its-going-nextoh-and-apple-didnt-invent-it-either/

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Re: Ready For Prime Time?

2007-01-24 Thread Jeremy Nikolai

I thought I read something a while ago that the first generation Neo
_wasn't_ going to be multitouch capable, and it hasn't been mentioned
in the specs recently - does anyone know definitively either way?

On 1/24/07, Richard Franks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 1/24/07, Duncan Hudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What about the multi-point touch screen?  It's wonderful, but
 doesn't Apple have a patent on that?

I would have thought that whoever owns copyrights for Star Trek should
win prior art for multitouch - the software UI for the transporter
console had that back in the 60s!

Richard

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Re: Ready For Prime Time?

2007-01-24 Thread Duncan Hudson

Dave Crossland wrote:

On 24/01/07, Duncan Hudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I'm starting to get excited about the phone, and I really don't want to
see my hopes dashed.  Has an FCC filing been made, is the phone ready to
go?


I believe so. From
http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-January/001586.html
:

   2007-03-11 Phase 1: Official Developer Launch
   We will sell the Neo1973 direct from openmoko.com for US$350 plus
   shipping. Sales and orders will be worldwide. We are specifically
   targeting open source community developers.
That's encouraging - I am anxiously awaiting the Neo.  But it doesn't 
answer the question as to whether or not an FCC filing has been made.  
Maybe it can be used elsewhere on 3/11, but it can't be used in the US 
unless it's been certified by the FCC.  Generally when the certification 
is done the filing is visible online - I don't see any OpenMoko or FIC 
filings listed for such a device.  And that worries me, as I'm dieing 
for this thing to arrive.


Dunc


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