Re: Software Status Update

2008-07-08 Thread The Rasterman
On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 19:38:21 +0200 Audrius Meskauskas [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: GTK is under LGPL and Qtopia is under GPL. This may mean nothing for the individual developer, but under GTK we may expect more commercial, proprietary applications appearing. One can buy commercial license for

Re: Software Status Update

2008-07-06 Thread Audrius Meskauskas
GTK is under LGPL and Qtopia is under GPL. This may mean nothing for the individual developer, but under GTK we may expect more commercial, proprietary applications appearing. One can buy commercial license for Qtopia as well but this costs money. It is up to you to decide if more proprietary

Re: Software Status Update

2008-07-06 Thread arne anka
Most modern Linux distributions would run both QT and GTK applications. Keeping this may not be just a purely technical decision. It may make a lot of sense to do the same on OpenMoko. fso addresses exactly this request. ___ Openmoko community

Re: Software Status Update

2008-07-06 Thread Tim Niemeyer
Hallo arne, * arne anka [EMAIL PROTECTED] [06-07-08 19:43]: Most modern Linux distributions would run both QT and GTK applications. Keeping this may not be just a purely technical decision. It may make a lot of sense to do the same on OpenMoko. fso addresses exactly this request. Hmm?

Re: Software Status Update

2008-07-06 Thread arne anka
Keeping this may not be just a purely technical decision. It may make a lot of sense to do the same on OpenMoko. fso addresses exactly this request. Hmm? This is new for me, can you explain this? FSO is middleware only, and has nothing to do with QT or GTK! exactly. the 2007.2 and the

Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko? (was: Re: Software Status Update)

2008-05-19 Thread Stefan Gojan
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) schrieb: On Thu, 15 May 2008 19:56:41 +0200 Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On 5/15/08, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People that want to use Qt prob. prefer Qtopia over OM, so I think GTK is the only correct

Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko? (was: Re: Software Status Update)

2008-05-19 Thread The Rasterman
On Mon, 19 May 2008 08:17:27 +0200 Stefan Gojan [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) schrieb: On Thu, 15 May 2008 19:56:41 +0200 Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On 5/15/08, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People that

Re: Software Status Update

2008-05-16 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 16 May 2008 07:56:22 +0200 cedric cellier [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: as such the software update has both qtopia on it as well as enlightenment as the wm - yes, some apps use etk too. native look really doesn't exist. there is no one homogeneous toolkit. qt has no changes made to

Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko? (was: Re: Software Status Update)

2008-05-16 Thread David Samblas Martinez
Hi raster,Seems that some lag has delay your mail in my inbox, so righ now the answer is clear Use whatever you like and feel confortable :) I already know I can develop even in a teoricaly costumized ncurse if I want it meanwhile It has been specified as dependency and installed before the app

Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko? (was: Re: Software Status Update)

2008-05-16 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 16 May 2008 06:55:45 + (GMT) David Samblas Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: note the neo has enough ram to handle several at once with ease. EFL tends to be significantly smaller than gtk in footprint memory-wise, and you have the luxury of using several anyway. 128m of ram is

Re: Software Status Update

2008-05-16 Thread cedric cellier
-[ Fri, May 16, 2008 at 04:54:48PM +1000, Carsten Haitzler ] And we are supposed to think that the lack of homogeneous look n feel is a bonus ? it's up to you. you can uninstall whatever you don't like. Of course, as I can code everything myself up to the kernel if I like to. But the

Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko? (was: Re: Software Status Update)

2008-05-16 Thread Stroller
On 16 May 2008, at 02:07, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Thu, 15 May 2008 17:05:23 +0200 (CEST) David Samblas Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Sorry me if this has been said in other post, but if gtk is not the default graphical library what library gonna be ETK the official

Standardizing data store across toolkits (SMS, PIM data, playlist, etc) [Re: Software Status Update]

2008-05-16 Thread MartinG
On Friday 16 May 2008 03:26:06 Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Fri, 16 May 2008 01:44:59 +0200 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: ... choose the toolkit you like. i really do not like the whole mindset of we must program in language X

Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko? (was: Re: Software Status Update)

2008-05-15 Thread David Samblas Martinez
Sorry me if this has been said in other post, but if gtk is not the default graphical library what library gonna be ETK the official one? Just to document me for future apps(ideas) in mind --- Mo Abrahams [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: I was wondering about that too. Personally I would rather

Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko? (was: Re: Software Status Update)

2008-05-15 Thread Tim Shannon
Hm, this is all new to me. Has anyone tried grabbing the qtopia keyboard and using it with openmoko? If the libraries are all there, it shouldn't be a problem right? On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 10:05 AM, David Samblas Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry me if this has been said in other post,

Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko? (was: Re: Software Status Update)

2008-05-15 Thread Geoff Ruscoe
I think gtk should definitely be part of the platform. As far as I know the Java Swing hooks are for gtk. Since its shipping with Java it should be able to use the gtk, right? Plus as far as I can tell the ruby and python hooks for gtk are slightly cleaner and easier than working with qt. So

Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko? (was: Re: Software Status Update)

2008-05-15 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
On 5/15/08, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People that want to use Qt prob. prefer Qtopia over OM, so I think GTK is the only correct thing. Just a comment on what I wrote: I think people should use what they like, but that if anything should be official, it should be GTK+.

RE: Software Status Update

2008-05-15 Thread steve
) Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 2:43 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Software Status Update steve wrote: It should not be a secret to anybody that there is a substantial work being done on the software side. Frankly, I am not able to answer any detailed questions on it because

Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko? (was: Re: Software Status Update)

2008-05-15 Thread Chris Wright
2008/5/15 Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 5/15/08, Geoff Ruscoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think gtk should definitely be part of the platform. As far as I know the Java Swing hooks are for gtk. Since its shipping with Java it should be able to use the gtk, right? Plus as

Re: Software Status Update

2008-05-15 Thread Stroller
Found what?!??! Why I try following Marco's link here I just get a big directory listing, and it's not at all obvious what video he is referring to. Stroller. On 15 May 2008, at 18:58, steve wrote: HA, you found it. ... Do you mean something like this [1] (flash player required)?

Re: Software Status Update

2008-05-15 Thread Brad Pitcher
I would have to guess that he is referring to the video that requires flash: freerunner1.4.swf It looks REALLY good. Stroller wrote: Found what?!??! Why I try following Marco's link here I just get a big directory listing, and it's not at all obvious what video he is referring to.

Re: Software Status Update

2008-05-15 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: as such the software update has both qtopia on it as well as enlightenment as the wm - yes, some apps use etk too. native look really doesn't exist. there is no one homogeneous toolkit. qt has no changes made to its look and feel currently. gtk does ship

Re: Software Status Update

2008-05-15 Thread Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
steve wrote: HA, you found it. Ehehe... I knew :P! I've seen that a couple of weeks ago, but I thought it was just a proof of concept... -- Treviño's World - Life and Linux http://www.3v1n0.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list

Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko? (was: Re: Software Status Update)

2008-05-15 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 15 May 2008 19:56:41 +0200 Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On 5/15/08, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: People that want to use Qt prob. prefer Qtopia over OM, so I think GTK is the only correct thing. Just a comment on what I wrote: I

Re: Software Status Update

2008-05-15 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 16 May 2008 01:44:59 +0200 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: as such the software update has both qtopia on it as well as enlightenment as the wm - yes, some apps use etk too. native look really doesn't exist. there is no

Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko? (was: Re: Software Status Update)

2008-05-15 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 15 May 2008 13:28:15 -0400 Geoff Ruscoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: I think gtk should definitely be part of the platform. As far as I know the Java Swing hooks are for gtk. Since its shipping with Java it should be able to use the gtk, right? Plus as far as I can tell the ruby and

Re: Will GTK be used in Openmoko? (was: Re: Software Status Update)

2008-05-15 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 15 May 2008 17:05:23 +0200 (CEST) David Samblas Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Sorry me if this has been said in other post, but if gtk is not the default graphical library what library gonna be ETK the official one? Just to document me for future apps(ideas) in mind please

Re: Software Status Update

2008-05-15 Thread cedric cellier
as such the software update has both qtopia on it as well as enlightenment as the wm - yes, some apps use etk too. native look really doesn't exist. there is no one homogeneous toolkit. qt has no changes made to its look and feel currently. gtk does ship on the device. choose the toolkit

RE: Software Status Update

2008-05-14 Thread steve
Ok, It should not be a secret to anybody that there is a substantial work being done on the software side. Frankly, I am not able to answer any detailed questions on it because I'm just focused on getting the hardware out with a bare bones ( dialer/contact/sms) level of software functionality.

Re: Software Status Update

2008-05-14 Thread Alexander Frøyseth
Does this mean that FreeRunner arent shipped this week?? steve skrev: Ok, It should not be a secret to anybody that there is a substantial work being done on the software side. Frankly, I am not able to answer any detailed questions on it because I'm just focused on getting the hardware out

Re: Software Status Update

2008-05-14 Thread ian douglas
Alexander Frøyseth wrote: Does this mean that FreeRunner arent shipped this week?? Yes, Steve just reconfirmed a few minutes ago that production doesn't even start until about May 16th... plus whatever timeline he previously mentioned for any final work to get things verified and packaged and

Re: Software Status Update

2008-05-14 Thread Alexander Frøyseth
May 16th are in this week But okey, just have to wait a little longer then ian douglas skrev: Alexander Frøyseth wrote: Does this mean that FreeRunner arent shipped this week?? Yes, Steve just reconfirmed a few minutes ago that production doesn't even start until about May 16th... plus

Re: Software Status Update

2008-05-14 Thread Lally Singh
Yup. It'll be a few weeks, for testing, packaging, etc. On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Alexander Frøyseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does this mean that FreeRunner arent shipped this week?? steve skrev: Ok, It should not be a secret to anybody that there is a substantial work being done

Re: Software Status Update

2008-05-14 Thread Steven **
May 16th is the earliest for production. Production != shipping -Steven On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Alexander Frøyseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: May 16th are in this week But okey, just have to wait a little longer then ian douglas skrev: Alexander Frøyseth wrote: Does this mean

Re: Software Status Update

2008-05-14 Thread David Samblas Martinez
I like it It is really pretty design and concept Marco Trevisan (Treviño) [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: steve wrote: It should not be a secret to anybody that there is a substantial work being done on the software side. Frankly, I am not able to answer any detailed questions on it because I'm

Re: Software Status Update

2008-05-14 Thread The Rasterman
On Wed, 14 May 2008 11:36:44 -0700 steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Raster, can you address the enlightenment issue mentioned below. I'd just beclown myself if I tried. ... Since the last time someone made some prodding was successful, may I ask for some official news on the software side?