Try Qtopia, its more what I expected a phone like this to look like,
and it mostly works.
I tried it, but to be frank I'm a little more inclined to want to go
with the 'open' side of things, even if its messy and chaotic, than
the 'commercial vendor slipping us open guys a sugary treat
-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hugo Mills
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 12:39 AM
To: List for Openmoko community discussion
Subject: Re: Terminal for ASU
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 09:30:03AM +0200, arne anka wrote:
anyway, what raster tries to say, imho, is: do
Believe it or not, Steve, sarcasm is not the same thing as wit.
I am sure you have plenty of wit at your disposal. You do yourself a
disservice in failing to exercise it.
Stroller.
On 28 Jul 2008, at 22:11, steve wrote:
Oh the design team have been listening.
...
So I owe the design
Subject: Re: Terminal for ASU
On 24 Jul 2008, at 08:30, arne anka wrote:
If you've been mismanaged/micromanaged so badly that you've had to
adopt what Neitzche called the Sklavmoral-- or I'm not paid to
think, I'm
well, nietzsche told a lot of stuff and ended up in the funny farm in
due
Jay Vaughan wrote:
I'm with you on that, it seems like its just too late to be doing ASU,
this should've been sorted out months ago, before hardware was actually
shipping to customer (hacker and non- alike), so for me I'm sticking
with the godamn ugly 2007.2 for now, simply because its
Anyway enough whining :) I'll look at ASU again in 2 months and see
if this design team has gotten
its act together and has started listening to its customers (ie us).
I'm with you on that, it seems like its just too late to be doing ASU,
this should've been sorted out months ago, before
I will reply over the weekend.
-Sean
Yorick Moko wrote:
the unabomber would know what to do! :)
No, seriously: enough openmoko-members read these mails.
It seems unimaginable that none of the design team has seen this
thread. It's about time they spoke up or that someone at
Hugo Mills wrote:
The problem here is that we can't, because the design department
don't seem to be engaging at all. We don't know who they are, and they
don't seem to be listening to the discussions on this list.
I'm going to weigh in here with my 2 cents worth.
This so called design
Ask your questions stroller.
I'll do my best to answer them.
-Original Message-
From: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 6:16 AM
To: List for Openmoko community discussion
Cc: Stroller; steve
Subject: Re: Terminal for ASU
If you've been mismanaged/micromanaged so badly that you've had to adopt
what Neitzche called the Sklavmoral-- or I'm not paid to think, I'm
well, nietzsche told a lot of stuff and ended up in the funny farm in due
time ... and if his own morale was that much better than sklavenmoral is
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 09:30:03AM +0200, arne anka wrote:
anyway, what raster tries to say, imho, is: do not bother _him_ with your
criticism but the designers themselves -- saying he's only the programmer
makes imo sufficiently clear that he's not teh one to make that decistions
and as
On 24 Jul 2008, at 08:30, arne anka wrote:
If you've been mismanaged/micromanaged so badly that you've had to
adopt
what Neitzche called the Sklavmoral-- or I'm not paid to
think, I'm
well, nietzsche told a lot of stuff and ended up in the funny farm
in due
time ... and if his own
the unabomber would know what to do! :)
No, seriously: enough openmoko-members read these mails.
It seems unimaginable that none of the design team has seen this
thread. It's about time they spoke up or that someone at openmoko
(Steve, Michael, Neng-Yu Tu ?) gave us some more info about the
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 07:40:49AM +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:54:49 -0700 Ken Restivo [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:16:22PM +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
IMO it's crazy for you (the senior developer to ASU? you're surely
the
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:40:51 -0700 Ken Restivo [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
unfortunately you're out of luck. people who pay me want qtopia's keyboard -
and so they shall get it. illume's internal keyboard is/will be disabled. i
haven't had time to make any way to enable illume's internal
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 11:30 PM, Holger Freyther [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Wednesday 23 July 2008 05:56:41 Jacob Peterson wrote:
Ken, I too feel your pain. I had just stated to get things setup, then I
decided to update and to my surprise, all applications requiring a
keyboard
are now
Am Dienstag 22 Juli 2008 15:04:59 schrieb Carsten Haitzler:
[...]
either way - there WAS a button.. it was in the top-left corner of the
screen that was blank and unused anyway. it used up no extra screen space
and was obvious to hit. it was by far the best option available so far. if
you hack
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:08:55 +0200 Kalle Happonen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:
what gesture, where? how? how ill this be able to not conflict with
operation of other apps? i am not so hot on gestures - especially ones that
use up the whole screen or parts o the screen where apps run - as now
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 04:32:34 +0100 Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:
On 22 Jul 2008, at 14:36, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
...
Sorry to trouble you, but who are these designers, please?
i'll let them speak up if they wish to be part of a debate on this.
it's up to
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:04:12 +0200 Marcel [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
Am Dienstag 22 Juli 2008 15:04:59 schrieb Carsten Haitzler:
[...]
either way - there WAS a button.. it was in the top-left corner of the
screen that was blank and unused anyway. it used up no extra screen space
and was
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 8:47 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:04:12 +0200 Marcel [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
Am Dienstag 22 Juli 2008 15:04:59 schrieb Carsten Haitzler:
[...]
either way - there WAS a button.. it was in the top-left corner
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:16:22PM +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
IMO it's crazy for you (the senior developer to ASU? you're surely
the most active?) to have his hands tied by these shadowy designers
who can interfere apparently on a whim. Especially when they're
coming up with
Ken, I think you have read my mind , translate it to english, and post
in the list, well maybe the latin sentences and references to kant are
replaced by basic complain :)
El mié, 23-07-2008 a las 13:54 -0700, Ken Restivo escribió:
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:16:22PM +1000, Carsten Haitzler
On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:54:49 -0700 Ken Restivo [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:16:22PM +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
IMO it's crazy for you (the senior developer to ASU? you're surely
the most active?) to have his hands tied by these shadowy designers
who
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 4:40 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
edje_decc (from edj-utils) the illume.edj file (enligtenment theme
installed
in /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes). in the directory find the .edc
file -
edit. search for a comment string don't look
Dale Schumacher wrote:
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 4:40 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
edje_decc (from edj-utils) the illume.edj file (enligtenment theme
installed
in /usr/share/enlightenment/data/themes). in the directory find
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 00:01:15 +0100 Michael Sheldon [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
Dale Schumacher wrote:
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 4:40 PM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
edje_decc (from edj-utils) the illume.edj file (enligtenment theme
Indeed I fail to see the advantage of having no manual triggering of keyboard.
On my desktop PC, I have never dreamt of my keyboard popping out of a
drawer when it thinks I should need it...
And this morning, after my daily opkg upgrade... I rebooted ASU and I
am stuck, not even able to enter my
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:21:22 +0100 Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:
On Monday 21 July 2008, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:32:47 +0100 Al Johnson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:
On Monday 21 July 2008, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
the problem is the designers decided
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 02:39:01 +0100 JW [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
Where are the design documents which say no keyboard toggle button
should be included, please? If one wishes to contribute code or
patches to ASU then I guess it's necessary to know this, or one will
find patches
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 02:39:01 +0100 JW [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
Where are the design documents which say no keyboard toggle button
should be included, please? If one wishes to contribute code or
patches to ASU then I guess it's necessary to know
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 09:01:24AM +0200, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?C=E9dric_Berger_ wrote:
Indeed I fail to see the advantage of having no manual triggering of keyboard.
On my desktop PC, I have never dreamt of my keyboard popping out of a
drawer when it thinks I should need it...
And this morning,
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 11:36:27PM +1000, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 02:05:48 +0100 Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:
On 21 Jul 2008, at 19:47, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
...
the problem is the designers decided that ASU is not to have any
manual
On 22 Jul 2008, at 14:36, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
...
Sorry to trouble you, but who are these designers, please?
i'll let them speak up if they wish to be part of a debate on this.
it's up to
them.
I'd be grateful if someone @openmoko could be a bit transparent about
Ken, I too feel your pain. I had just stated to get things setup, then I
decided to update and to my surprise, all applications requiring a keyboard
are now useless. I ended up reverting back to the July 21st snapshot for
now, but I will try editing the illume theme and rebuilding once I can
On Wednesday 23 July 2008 03:39:54 Ken Restivo wrote:
Can someone document what hacks are available to bring the Illume keyboard
back, and to manually trigger it with that little qwerty button that used
to be there, in case the designers decide they don't want users to be able
to type things
On Wednesday 23 July 2008 05:32:34 Stroller wrote:
After all the efforts that Openmoko have made over being open, I am
just amazed that design decisions that affect everyone are being made
in secret.
Check the openmoko-devel/disto-devel archives from back then. Sure the
decision was made in
On Wednesday 23 July 2008 05:56:41 Jacob Peterson wrote:
Ken, I too feel your pain. I had just stated to get things setup, then I
decided to update and to my surprise, all applications requiring a keyboard
are now useless. I ended up reverting back to the July 21st snapshot for
now, but I
*Will* the ASU have a terminal app that works with the Qtopia environment?
Or is that something I shouldn't expect to work?
Take a look at qtopia.net, several applications for Qtopia are listed there
(terminal and file manager for example). Don't know if they work on ASU right
away because
On Monday 21 July 2008 05:30:09 Ken Restivo wrote:
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 08:20:46PM -0700, Brian C wrote:
Ken Restivo wrote:
1. It's an open platform, so it's inevitable that it will have a
terminal.
2. If it were not possible to have a terminal on ASU, then OpenMoko
should just
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:18:50 +0200 Sven Klomp [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:
On Monday 21 July 2008 05:30:09 Ken Restivo wrote:
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 08:20:46PM -0700, Brian C wrote:
Ken Restivo wrote:
1. It's an open platform, so it's inevitable that it will have a
terminal.
2.
On Monday 21 July 2008, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
the problem is the designers decided that ASU is not to have any manual
keyboard toggle button because it will disturb the design and/or confuse
users, so all apps and toolkits need modification to talk a protocol to
bring up the keyboard on
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:32:47 +0100 Al Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:
On Monday 21 July 2008, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
the problem is the designers decided that ASU is not to have any manual
keyboard toggle button because it will disturb the design and/or confuse
users, so all apps and
On Monday 21 July 2008, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:32:47 +0100 Al Johnson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
babbled:
On Monday 21 July 2008, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
the problem is the designers decided that ASU is not to have any manual
keyboard toggle button because it will
On 21 Jul 2008, at 19:47, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
...
the problem is the designers decided that ASU is not to have any
manual
keyboard toggle button because it will disturb the design and/or
confuse users,
so all apps and toolkits need modification to talk a protocol to
Where are the design documents which say no keyboard toggle button
should be included, please? If one wishes to contribute code or
patches to ASU then I guess it's necessary to know this, or one will
find patches rejected because they don't meet this design specification?
surely this is a
I think I tried vte from the repos and it worked. I couldn't get the
built in keyboard to come up so I abandoned ASU for the time being.
Since I didn't have a keyboard, by worked I mean I could start it.
Chris
On Jul 20, 2008, at 7:15 PM, Scott Petersen wrote:
Is it just my inability to
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 07:56:58PM -0700, C R McClenaghan wrote:
I think I tried vte from the repos and it worked. I couldn't get the
built in keyboard to come up so I abandoned ASU for the time being.
Since I didn't have a keyboard, by worked I mean I could start it.
Chris
On Jul 20,
Ken Restivo wrote:
Crap.
I was considering opening a bug report (enhancement, probably) on this-- the
ASU needs a terminal.
But I don't want to get smacked down with a ASU will never have a terminal,
it's not a supported use case closure for it.
*Will* the ASU have a terminal app
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 08:20:46PM -0700, Brian C wrote:
Ken Restivo wrote:
Crap.
I was considering opening a bug report (enhancement, probably) on this--
the ASU needs a terminal.
But I don't want to get smacked down with a ASU will never have a
terminal, it's not a supported
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