Re: browsing: enforce layout for mobile devices

[Xavier Cremaschi]

And I find it very slow when I scroll big pages.


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Re: browsing: enforce layout for mobile devices

[Adolph J. Vogel]

> 0.1.10 is in SHR-U, changing the ua-string works fine for me.

opkg upgrade, go go go :D

ps, I`m getting emails from the list very late today.


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Re: browsing: enforce layout for mobile devices

[Vadim, Efimov]

"ewww" is "eve" now and live in enlightement SVN repo, but development
not so active...

On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 22:20:47 +0400, Bastian Muck   
wrote:
> You are right, it is a great browser. But two things are kind of
> showstoppers (at least at some pages):
> 1. No window-open is possible
> 2. when changing to another app, the keyboard does not send any keys
> to ewww anymore
> OpenMitko schrieb:
>> In my opinion "ewww" [1] is the best browser so far, even in this
>> demo stage, it is better than  all the others. I hope that someone
>> is working on it, and soon we will have one great browser :)
>>
>> [1] http://www.opkg.org/package_173.html


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Re: browsing: enforce layout for mobile devices

[Bastian Muck]

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You are right, it is a great browser. But two things are kind of
showstoppers (at least at some pages):
1. No window-open is possible
2. when changing to another app, the keyboard does not send any keys
to ewww anymore
OpenMitko schrieb:
> In my opinion "ewww" [1] is the best browser so far, even in this
> demo stage, it is better than  all the others. I hope that someone
> is working on it, and soon we will have one great browser :)
>
> [1] http://www.opkg.org/package_173.html
>
> 2009/9/21 Alexander Lehner  >
>
>
> Hi,
>
> there are many web seriveces, that offer a special compressed
> layout for
> mobile devices (gmx for example).
> I think they do this by reading some HTTP header fields like
> browser-Id or
> similair.
>
> Does anyone have experience with that? Or suggestions which
> browser to use
> (I currently use midori, but even midori's UI does not fit into
> the FR
> screen).
>
> Thanks,
> Alex.
>
>
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RE: browsing: enforce layout for mobile devices

[Marcel]

Am Montag, den 21.09.2009, 14:19 + schrieb Niels Heyvaert: 
> >> You could also try pretending to be a generic Android phone instead of an 
> >> iPhone using following agents:
> >>
> >> Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; U; Android 1.0; en-us; generic) AppleWebKit/525.10+ 
> >> (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0.4 Mobile Safari/523.12.2
> >>
> >> or
> >>
> >> Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; U; Android 1.5; en-us; generic) AppleWebKit/528.5+ 
> >> (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.2 Mobile Safari/525.20.1
> >>
> >> Maybe one of these two do the trick for you.
> >
> > I already do that and it works, get the mobile interface. My problem is
> > another as I stated already:
> > The Gmail (mobile!) layout always limits itself to about 2/3 of the
> > window's width instead of using the whole screen. Is there anything I
> > could do about it except filing a bug for midori? Or is midori innocent
> > and google does some evil hacks there to look nice on that damn iPhone
> 
> I'm sorry if I didn't explain myself when sending the other user agents:
> 
> The reason for suggesting the other two UserAgent strings is because while 
> playing around with Android I've used gmail, facebook, hotmail etc. on the 
> device and never noticed any problem with the screen resolution. So instead 
> of pretending to be an iPhone, as you said, perhaps it could help pretending 
> to be an Android phone?
> 
> But since you tried this already, you can see the problem persists even when 
> mimicking both Android user agents?
> 
> In that case I would tend to believe it is a shortcoming in the Midori 
> browser. Or at least the Midori maintainers could shed some light on what is 
> happening.

Yep, the problem persists... And last.fm doesn't even offer a nice
cs-sheet when using the Android ua-strings, seems like they didn't catch
up yet. Probably I should drop the midori devs a mail...


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RE: browsing: enforce layout for mobile devices

[Niels Heyvaert]

>> You could also try pretending to be a generic Android phone instead of an 
>> iPhone using following agents:
>>
>> Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; U; Android 1.0; en-us; generic) AppleWebKit/525.10+ 
>> (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0.4 Mobile Safari/523.12.2
>>
>> or
>>
>> Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; U; Android 1.5; en-us; generic) AppleWebKit/528.5+ 
>> (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.2 Mobile Safari/525.20.1
>>
>> Maybe one of these two do the trick for you.
>
> I already do that and it works, get the mobile interface. My problem is
> another as I stated already:
> The Gmail (mobile!) layout always limits itself to about 2/3 of the
> window's width instead of using the whole screen. Is there anything I
> could do about it except filing a bug for midori? Or is midori innocent
> and google does some evil hacks there to look nice on that damn iPhone

I'm sorry if I didn't explain myself when sending the other user agents:

The reason for suggesting the other two UserAgent strings is because while 
playing around with Android I've used gmail, facebook, hotmail etc. on the 
device and never noticed any problem with the screen resolution. So instead of 
pretending to be an iPhone, as you said, perhaps it could help pretending to be 
an Android phone?

But since you tried this already, you can see the problem persists even when 
mimicking both Android user agents?

In that case I would tend to believe it is a shortcoming in the Midori browser. 
Or at least the Midori maintainers could shed some light on what is happening.
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RE: browsing: enforce layout for mobile devices

[Marcel]

Am Montag, den 21.09.2009, 13:46 + schrieb Niels Heyvaert: 
> > I believe this topic has been discussed in the recent past. Perhaps the 
> > answer to your question is already in the mailarchive (see 
> > http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td3506259).
> >
> > Try opening up Midori, go to Edit> Preferences> Network> Identify as> Custom
> >
> > And put in:
> >
> > Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/420+ (KHTML, 
> > like Gecko) Version/3.0 Mobile/1A543a Safari/419.3
> >
> You could also try pretending to be a generic Android phone instead of an 
> iPhone using following agents:
>  
> Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; U; Android 1.0; en-us; generic) AppleWebKit/525.10+ 
> (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0.4 Mobile Safari/523.12.2
>  
> or
> 
> Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; U; Android 1.5; en-us; generic) AppleWebKit/528.5+ 
> (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.2 Mobile Safari/525.20.1
>  
> Maybe one of these two do the trick for you.

I already do that and it works, get the mobile interface. My problem is
another as I stated already:
The Gmail (mobile!) layout always limits itself to about 2/3 of the
window's width instead of using the whole screen. Is there anything I
could do about it except filing a bug for midori? Or is midori innocent
and google does some evil hacks there to look nice on that damn iPhone
(that has a smaller resolution -> less width on screen)?
Last.FM mobile adapts perfectly fine by the way.

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RE: browsing: enforce layout for mobile devices

[Niels Heyvaert]

> I believe this topic has been discussed in the recent past. Perhaps the 
> answer to your question is already in the mailarchive (see 
> http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td3506259).
>
> Try opening up Midori, go to Edit> Preferences> Network> Identify as> Custom
>
> And put in:
>
> Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/420+ (KHTML, like 
> Gecko) Version/3.0 Mobile/1A543a Safari/419.3
>
You could also try pretending to be a generic Android phone instead of an 
iPhone using following agents:
 
Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; U; Android 1.0; en-us; generic) AppleWebKit/525.10+ (KHTML, 
like Gecko) Version/3.0.4 Mobile Safari/523.12.2
 
or

Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; U; Android 1.5; en-us; generic) AppleWebKit/528.5+ (KHTML, 
like Gecko) Version/3.1.2 Mobile Safari/525.20.1
 
Maybe one of these two do the trick for you.
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RE: browsing: enforce layout for mobile devices

[Niels Heyvaert]

>> Have you tried going to m.gmail.com instead of the mail.google.com url?
>
> That URL doesn't work with a german IP since someone runs a snail mail
> service somewhere here that's called "Gmail", so they mustn't use the
> name.
>

Sounds like a Germany specific problem...

Does Google offer another local alternative URL with a deviating domain name to 
access the Google Gmail on mobile devices?
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RE: browsing: enforce layout for mobile devices

[Marcel]

Am Montag, den 21.09.2009, 12:32 + schrieb Niels Heyvaert: 
> > The Gmail layout always limits itself to about 2/3 of the window's width
> > instead of using the whole screen. Is there anything I could do about it
> > except filing a bug for midori? Or is midori innocent and google does
> > some evil hacks there to look nice on that damn iPhone (that has a
> > smaller resolution -> less width on screen)?
> > Last.FM mobile adapts perfectly fine by the way.
> 
> Have you tried going to m.gmail.com instead of the mail.google.com url?

That URL doesn't work with a german IP since someone runs a snail mail
service somewhere here that's called "Gmail", so they mustn't use the
name.


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RE: browsing: enforce layout for mobile devices

[Niels Heyvaert]

> The Gmail layout always limits itself to about 2/3 of the window's width
> instead of using the whole screen. Is there anything I could do about it
> except filing a bug for midori? Or is midori innocent and google does
> some evil hacks there to look nice on that damn iPhone (that has a
> smaller resolution -> less width on screen)?
> Last.FM mobile adapts perfectly fine by the way.

Have you tried going to m.gmail.com instead of the mail.google.com url?
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Re: browsing: enforce layout for mobile devices

[Marcel]

Am Montag, den 21.09.2009, 10:28 +0200 schrieb Adolph J. Vogel: 
> Webservices do this by identifying the user agent string of the browser. The 
> midori version (0.1.9) I have on my desktop allows you to change this string 
> to something like the iphone one. And works quite well on all the mobile 
> versions of sites I tested. The only one that didnt work is gmail :(

The Gmail layout always limits itself to about 2/3 of the window's width
instead of using the whole screen. Is there anything I could do about it
except filing a bug for midori? Or is midori innocent and google does
some evil hacks there to look nice on that damn iPhone (that has a
smaller resolution -> less width on screen)?
Last.FM mobile adapts perfectly fine by the way.

> Midori in the shr feeds is quite old (0.1.2), and as far as I know does not 
> have this functionality. Perhaps if the shr-devs could update the midori 
> version in the feeds...

0.1.10 is in SHR-U, changing the ua-string works fine for me.


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Re: browsing: enforce layout for mobile devices

[Adolph J. Vogel]

On Monday 21 September 2009 09:55:07 Alexander Lehner wrote:
> Hi,
>
> there are many web seriveces, that offer a special compressed layout for
> mobile devices (gmx for example).
> I think they do this by reading some HTTP header fields like browser-Id or
> similair.
>
> Does anyone have experience with that? Or suggestions which browser to use
> (I currently use midori, but even midori's UI does not fit into the FR
> screen).
>
> Thanks,
> Alex.
>

Webservices do this by identifying the user agent string of the browser. The 
midori version (0.1.9) I have on my desktop allows you to change this string 
to something like the iphone one. And works quite well on all the mobile 
versions of sites I tested. The only one that didnt work is gmail :(

Midori in the shr feeds is quite old (0.1.2), and as far as I know does not 
have this functionality. Perhaps if the shr-devs could update the midori 
version in the feeds...

The other alternative is Arora, a lightweight qt based browser. Which works 
well on all mobile websites. It is, as far as I know, not in any distro feeds. 
So someone will need to cross compile it for the freerunner...

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RE: browsing: enforce layout for mobile devices

[Niels Heyvaert]

> there are many web seriveces, that offer a special compressed layout for
> mobile devices (gmx for example).
> I think they do this by reading some HTTP header fields like browser-Id or
> similair.
>
> Does anyone have experience with that? Or suggestions which browser to use
> (I currently use midori, but even midori's UI does not fit into the FR
> screen).

I believe this topic has been discussed in the recent past. Perhaps the answer 
to your question is already in the mailarchive (see 
http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td3506259).

Try opening up Midori, go to Edit> Preferences> Network> Identify as> Custom

And put in:

Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/420+ (KHTML, like 
Gecko) Version/3.0 Mobile/1A543a Safari/419.3

This should help.

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Re: browsing: enforce layout for mobile devices

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In my opinion "ewww" [1] is the best browser so far, even in this demo
stage, it is better than  all the others. I hope that someone is working on
it, and soon we will have one great browser :)

[1] http://www.opkg.org/package_173.html

2009/9/21 Alexander Lehner 

>
> Hi,
>
> there are many web seriveces, that offer a special compressed layout for
> mobile devices (gmx for example).
> I think they do this by reading some HTTP header fields like browser-Id or
> similair.
>
> Does anyone have experience with that? Or suggestions which browser to use
> (I currently use midori, but even midori's UI does not fit into the FR
> screen).
>
> Thanks,
> Alex.
>
>
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