Re: GSM power management improvements

[joerg Reisenweber]

On Tuesday, 5 February 2019 02:27:10 CET Mychaela Falconia wrote:
> Hello what's left of Openmoko community,
> 
> If there is anyone still using their FreeRunner (or GTA01) as a phone
> with working GSM (perhaps on a private island whose owner likes GSM
> and is committed to keeping it forever), there is a modem firmware
> update which you might find interesting:
> 
> ftp://ftp.freecalypso.org/pub/GSM/GTA02/gsm-fw/moko-new-fw-20190128.tar.bz2
> 
> The primary diff from previous versions consists of a couple of sleep
> mode improvements, i.e., improved ability to go into sleep modes which
> draw less power from the battery:
> 
> * During those time windows in which the modem is disallowed from going
> into deep sleep by the UART activity timer (10 s after each transmission
> from the AP host to the modem on the AT command UART), previous fw
> versions needlessly suppressed big sleep in addition to deep sleep,
> allowing only small sleep.  The present version goes into big sleep
> during these time windows, saving more power.
> 
> * Some Openmoko devices suffer from a hardware defect that requires
> disabling deep sleep - the infamous bug #1024.  Previous fw versions
> did not provide a sleep mode configuration that allows big and small
> sleep, but not deep sleep, forcing the user to choose between small
> sleep only or big sleep only on no-deep-sleep hardware.  OM AP software
> distros have been using the big sleep only AT%SLEEP=2 config in these
> circumstances.  Our new fw offers a new AT%SLEEP=5 option that allows
> big and small sleep, but not deep sleep, which should be ideal for
> deep-sleep-deprived OM hardware.  The default is still AT%SLEEP=4
> allowing all 3 sleep modes (small, big and deep sleep), just like
> before.
> 
> * Most of the Calypso chip's GPIO and multifunction pins are unused
> and unconnected on Openmoko devices.  All fw versions for this modem
> released prior to 2017, including all legacy mokoN versions produced
> by the now-defunct original manufacturer of the hw, contain a bug in
> this regard: they configure many of these unused and unconnected GPIO
> and multifunction pins as inputs, causing them to float.  The general
> dictum in digital hw design is that CMOS floating inputs are bad, and
> they can sometimes cause increased power draw as a result of current
> flowing through both transistors of the CMOS input structure when they
> are partially open.  This bug has been fixed in the newer FreeCalypso
> fw releases since 2017: the correct way to handle unused and unconnected
> GPIO and multifunction pins is to configure them as dummy outputs with
> a constant value, which is what our current fw does.
> 
> This new firmware release is brought to you by Falconia Partners LLC,
> a manufacturer of new cellular modems under the FreeCalypso brand,
> currently for GSM/2G but perhaps some day for UMTS/3G as well.  At the
> present time we don't do any work specifically for legacy Openmoko
> devices (there is no business case for it), but our own modem product
> is very similar to OM's, thus whenever we make significant improvements
> to the firmware for our own modem hw, it costs us nothing to compile
> and put out a new fw image for Openmoko's old modem as well.
> 
> Please note, however, that even though our new FreeCalypso modem hw is
> very similar to OM's old modem, it is not identical, and the firmware
> images built for the two respective targets are NOT interchangeable!
> We build all of them from the same source tree, thus functional
> improvements made for one target automatically benefit the others as
> well, but a few hardware configuration and external interface bits are
> conditionally compiled.  If you take a firmware image built for our
> FCDEV3B and flash it into an Openmoko device, it may corrupt your FFS,
> so don't do it - please be sure to only flash fw images which were
> built specifically for whichever hardware you have.
> 
> Happy 2019, and enjoy improved power management in the modem if you
> still have a free-running Openmoko device.
> 
> M~
> 
> P.S. In case anyone is concerned about the legality and safety of
> using new GSM products from Falconia Partners LLC, whether our new hw
> or our new fw for legacy hw from OM, please note that the products in
> question (both hw and fw) have been extensively used on public
> commercial GSM networks in several countries (at least USA, Canada,
> Austria, France and South Africa to my knowledge, plus maybe others I
> don't know about) over the course of many years now, without a single
> problematic incident anywhere ever.  Getting an official stamp of
> regulatory approval is definitely in the plans, but no one has paid
> for it yet.  In the meantime, despite having no official rubber stamp
> that says so, we already know with almost 100% certainty that our
> products (both hw and fw) function 100% correctly on the air, fully
> compliant with all of the relevant technical standards.
> 
> 

Re: [Tinkerphones] QtMoko: a dream comes true :)

[dmitry]

Hi 
I'm in this boat too. I'd like to build the last kernel for GTA2 at
least and then probably try to play with minimal Debian on it. 

Could anybody point me to the most relevant "How to build kernel/
building system for GTA2" or so instruction/tutorial? 

Unfortunately major links on wiki are dead. 

thanks :) 

Dmitry 

On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 13:00:12 +0100
"H. Nikolaus Schaller"  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> > Am 23.02.2018 um 12:57 schrieb Matteo Zaffonato :
> > 
> > How about GTA02? I'm not using it everyday, but I'd like to update
> > software on it.
> 
> Sorry, but no plans. We have no recent kernel or build system for it.
> 
> But you can still compile and modify it yourself based on the original
> qtmoko code.
> 
> > Regards
> > Matteo Zaffonato
> 
> BR,
> Nikolaus
> 
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Re: [Tinkerphones] Fwd: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko: a dream comes true :)

[Neil Jerram]

On 23/02/18 11:58, H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:

Am 23.02.2018 um 12:52 schrieb joerg Reisenweber :

On Fri 23 February 2018 12:43:08 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:

And the page http://git.goldelico.com/?p=gta04-qtmoko.git lists it in the
"URL" section as

g...@github.com:goldelico/gta04-qtmoko.git

which is a verbatim quote and AIUI no correctly formed URL

AFAIK git automatically adds a git: prefix if you say

git clone g...@github.com:goldelico/gta04-qtmoko.git


The git@ URL will only work for people who have write access to that 
repo.  The https:// URL should work for everyone (for reading/cloning).


    Neil



BR,
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Re: [Tinkerphones] Fwd: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko: a dream comes true :)

[Norayr Chilingarian]

wow,
going to start it. (:


On Fri, 23 Feb 2018, H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:


Hi,


Am 23.02.2018 um 12:28 schrieb Norayr Chilingarian :

I would prefer it to be on github.

Though usually I am the one who supports decentralization, but here are some 
arguments:

* github is a public place, where it is much more probable that your project 
can be discovered by the people who potentially can get involved, even if they 
did not know about the project before.

(many different ways - accidentally, or by following your friends' "likes", or 
by search, or by other means)

* github stimulates people to fork/make pull requests, this work is public, and 
it increases people's social status, when they contribute to the project on the 
public place, where it is noticeable by their community.

On the contrary, by keeping the separate, even public git tree, the chances to 
be discovored and contributed to are much lower.


Your wish is already fulfilled...

It is also (mirrored) on github:

https://github.com/goldelico/gta04-qtmoko

And the page http://git.goldelico.com/?p=gta04-qtmoko.git lists it in the "URL" 
section as

g...@github.com:goldelico/gta04-qtmoko.git

Hope this helps.

BR,
Nikolaus





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Hi,I am happy to announce that after years of
abandonment and obsolescence, QtMoko is back in
maintained mode.
After several failed attempts, we now have a git
tree and a build system where we can apply
modifications and accept patches. And we
need testers :)
Currently, we have a Wheezy and a Jessie based
(different git branches) and both run on the
GTA04(A3, A4, A5) with latest Letux kernels.
Basically QtMoko also starts and runs on the Pyra,
but there is nothing to see on the display yet.
It simply remains black...
Here are the key resources:
Project Home: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-qtmoko/ - also for
reporting issues
Git: http://git.goldelico.com/?p=gta04-qtmoko.git;a=heads
Downloads: http://download.goldelico.com/letux-debian-rootfs/?C=M;O=D
- look for *-qtmoko.tbz
Install on µSD: DEV=/dev/sdb ./makesd qtmoko - to install a Jessie
based system
Letux-Debian: apt-get install letux-qtmoko - to install if you have
installed a different Letux system
Here are screen photos of QtMoko/Jessie/Kernel-4.15.2
running on a GTA04:


 Some things are not yet working and missing and
some Apps crash after starting, but we are just at
the beginning to be able to fix things.
Of course our little team can't do all that alone.
We need you and the broader community to help with
coding, testing or simply donations if you appreciate
our effort:
http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=Product=9607
BR and thanks,
Nikolaus
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Re: [Tinkerphones] QtMoko: a dream comes true :)

[H. Nikolaus Schaller]

Hi,

> Am 23.02.2018 um 12:57 schrieb Matteo Zaffonato :
> 
> How about GTA02? I'm not using it everyday, but I'd like to update software 
> on it.

Sorry, but no plans. We have no recent kernel or build system for it.

But you can still compile and modify it yourself based on the original
qtmoko code.

> Regards
> Matteo Zaffonato

BR,
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Re: [Tinkerphones] Fwd: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko: a dream comes true :)

[H. Nikolaus Schaller]

> Am 23.02.2018 um 12:52 schrieb joerg Reisenweber :
> 
> On Fri 23 February 2018 12:43:08 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
>> And the page http://git.goldelico.com/?p=gta04-qtmoko.git lists it in the
>> "URL" section as
>> 
>>g...@github.com:goldelico/gta04-qtmoko.git
> 
> which is a verbatim quote and AIUI no correctly formed URL

AFAIK git automatically adds a git: prefix if you say

git clone g...@github.com:goldelico/gta04-qtmoko.git

BR,
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Re: [Tinkerphones] Fwd: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko: a dream comes true :)

[joerg Reisenweber]

On Fri 23 February 2018 12:52:22 joerg Reisenweber wrote:
> On Fri 23 February 2018 12:43:08 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> > And the page http://git.goldelico.com/?p=gta04-qtmoko.git lists it in the
> > "URL" section as
> > 
> > g...@github.com:goldelico/gta04-qtmoko.git
> 
> which is a verbatim quote and AIUI no correctly formed URL
> 
> /j

OOPS sorry, I even meant to suggest
https://github.com/goldelico/gta04-qtmoko
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Re: [Tinkerphones] Fwd: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko: a dream comes true :)

[joerg Reisenweber]

On Fri 23 February 2018 12:43:08 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> And the page http://git.goldelico.com/?p=gta04-qtmoko.git lists it in the
> "URL" section as
> 
> g...@github.com:goldelico/gta04-qtmoko.git

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Re: [Tinkerphones] Fwd: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko: a dream comes true :)

[H. Nikolaus Schaller]

Hi,

> Am 23.02.2018 um 12:28 schrieb Norayr Chilingarian :
> 
> I would prefer it to be on github.
> 
> Though usually I am the one who supports decentralization, but here are some 
> arguments:
> 
> * github is a public place, where it is much more probable that your project 
> can be discovered by the people who potentially can get involved, even if 
> they did not know about the project before.
> 
> (many different ways - accidentally, or by following your friends' "likes", 
> or by search, or by other means)
> 
> * github stimulates people to fork/make pull requests, this work is public, 
> and it increases people's social status, when they contribute to the project 
> on the public place, where it is noticeable by their community.
> 
> On the contrary, by keeping the separate, even public git tree, the chances 
> to be discovored and contributed to are much lower.

Your wish is already fulfilled...

It is also (mirrored) on github:

https://github.com/goldelico/gta04-qtmoko

And the page http://git.goldelico.com/?p=gta04-qtmoko.git lists it in the "URL" 
section as

g...@github.com:goldelico/gta04-qtmoko.git

Hope this helps.

BR,
Nikolaus



> 
> On Fri, 23 Feb 2018, H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> 
>> Sent again due to 40k message limit on this list...
>> 
>>  Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht:
>> Von: "H. Nikolaus Schaller" 
>> Betreff: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko: a dream comes true :)
>> Datum: 21. Februar 2018 um 20:53:12 MEZ
>> An: Tinkerphones Community , List for
>> communicating with real GTA04 owners 
>> Kopie: List for Openmoko community discussion
>> 
>> Antwort an: List for communicating with real GTA04 owners
>> 
>> Hi,I am happy to announce that after years of
>> abandonment and obsolescence, QtMoko is back in
>> maintained mode.
>> After several failed attempts, we now have a git
>> tree and a build system where we can apply
>> modifications and accept patches. And we
>> need testers :)
>> Currently, we have a Wheezy and a Jessie based
>> (different git branches) and both run on the
>> GTA04(A3, A4, A5) with latest Letux kernels.
>> Basically QtMoko also starts and runs on the Pyra,
>> but there is nothing to see on the display yet.
>> It simply remains black...
>> Here are the key resources:
>> Project Home: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-qtmoko/ - also for
>> reporting issues
>> Git: http://git.goldelico.com/?p=gta04-qtmoko.git;a=heads
>> Downloads: http://download.goldelico.com/letux-debian-rootfs/?C=M;O=D
>> - look for *-qtmoko.tbz
>> Install on µSD: DEV=/dev/sdb ./makesd qtmoko - to install a Jessie
>> based system
>> Letux-Debian: apt-get install letux-qtmoko - to install if you have
>> installed a different Letux system
>> Here are screen photos of QtMoko/Jessie/Kernel-4.15.2
>> running on a GTA04:
>> 
>> 
>>  Some things are not yet working and missing and
>> some Apps crash after starting, but we are just at
>> the beginning to be able to fix things.
>> Of course our little team can't do all that alone.
>> We need you and the broader community to help with
>> coding, testing or simply donations if you appreciate
>> our effort:
>> http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=Product=9607
>> BR and thanks,
>> Nikolaus
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Re: Fwd: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko: a dream comes true :)

[Norayr Chilingarian]

I would prefer it to be on github.

Though usually I am the one who supports decentralization, but here are 
some arguments:


* github is a public place, where it is much more probable that your 
project can be discovered by the people who potentially can get involved, 
even if they did not know about the project before.


(many different ways - accidentally, or by following your friends' 
"likes", or by search, or by other means)


* github stimulates people to fork/make pull requests, this work is 
public, and it increases people's social status, when they contribute to 
the project on the public place, where it is noticeable by their 
community.


On the contrary, by keeping the separate, even public git tree, the 
chances to be discovored and contributed to are much lower.


On Fri, 23 Feb 2018, H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:


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Von: "H. Nikolaus Schaller" 
Betreff: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko: a dream comes true :)
Datum: 21. Februar 2018 um 20:53:12 MEZ
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Kopie: List for Openmoko community discussion

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Hi,I am happy to announce that after years of
abandonment and obsolescence, QtMoko is back in
maintained mode.

After several failed attempts, we now have a git
tree and a build system where we can apply
modifications and accept patches. And we
need testers :)

Currently, we have a Wheezy and a Jessie based
(different git branches) and both run on the
GTA04(A3, A4, A5) with latest Letux kernels.

Basically QtMoko also starts and runs on the Pyra,
but there is nothing to see on the display yet.
It simply remains black...

Here are the key resources:

Project Home: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-qtmoko/ - also for
reporting issues
Git: http://git.goldelico.com/?p=gta04-qtmoko.git;a=heads
Downloads: http://download.goldelico.com/letux-debian-rootfs/?C=M;O=D
- look for *-qtmoko.tbz
Install on µSD: DEV=/dev/sdb ./makesd qtmoko - to install a Jessie
based system
Letux-Debian: apt-get install letux-qtmoko - to install if you have
installed a different Letux system

Here are screen photos of QtMoko/Jessie/Kernel-4.15.2
running on a GTA04:




  Some things are not yet working and missing and
some Apps crash after starting, but we are just at
the beginning to be able to fix things.

Of course our little team can't do all that alone.
We need you and the broader community to help with
coding, testing or simply donations if you appreciate
our effort:

http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=Product=9607

BR and thanks,
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Re: Fwd: [Gta04-owner] QtMoko: a dream comes true :)

[Alexander .S.T. Ross]

Oh goodie! looking forward to flashing updated qtmoko :)

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Re: Recalibration, band conversion and bug #1024 rework

[joerg Reisenweber]

On Wed 14 February 2018 14:40:01 Mychaela Falconia wrote:
> Hello OM community,
> 
> I am pleased to announce that my company Falconia Partners LLC is now
> offering GSM RF tract recalibration services ...

Excellent news. Sounds like you're doing a great job there. Many thanks for 
that

cheers
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Re: Copy of Openmokast Case Extension Back Files?

[dmitry]

Hi Alexander, 

I would be interested to have it too. 
Did you manage to find that archive? 

Dmitry 

On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 21:37:18 +0100
"Alexander .S.T. Ross"  wrote:

> http://openmokast.org/files/cad/Openmokast_ProE.zip is dead and nor is
> the zip on the internet archive, only the webpage.
> 
> I would be interested in having a copy of the files to make this case
> extension :). Anyone got a copy?
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Re: The future of openmoko.org hosting

[dmitry]

Hi Harald, 

Which way that was eventually solved? 

If it is not solved yet, I theoretically have some resources to host
major (probably all, except of email services) part of that. 

let me know, 
thanks! 

Dmitry 

On Sun, 15 Oct 2017 10:59:34 +0200
Harald Welte  wrote:

> Dear community,
> 
> Given that we've just head the 10 year anniversary of shipping the
> Neo1973, this also marks about the ~ 8th-9th year of inactivity in
> the project.
> 
> Ever since Openmoko, Inc. closed down, I've been personally covering
> the hosting fees for the (single, consolidated) openmoko.org
> machine.  I did that in order to keep the legacy/history alive, for
> those who might be interested in it.
> 
> While it was/is "only" EUR 50 per moth, it adds up.  Over the at
> leaset 8 years, that's at least EUR 4800.
> 
> I was happy to contribute that.  However, I don't want to continue
> this kind of financial obligation for another ten years or even any
> indefinite term.
> 
> Please note that the actual burden of system administration is
> contribute by volunteer work from Paul Wise, which is of course much
> appreciated!
> 
> So the question is in general, how to proceed here. One could
> 
> a) try to put funding on some more shoulders than just me, and
> continue with that one hosted machine as-is
> 
> b) get rid of the existing server, by the following strategy:
> 
>* web: convert the dynamically-generated media-wiki, trac, svnweb,
> gitweb, etc. pages into static renderings that can be served from a
> static web server.  This could be done by something like a recursive
> wget through a http cache.  This would remove the need to run trac,
>  mediawiki and apache mod_svn, mysql, ... - and drastically reduce
>  the CPU and Memory requirements.  In the end, it would be a bunch
>  of static HTML pages rendered by nginx or lighttpd somewhere on a
>  virtual server or shared server.
> 
>* lisst: migrate the single remaining active
>  (community@lists.openmoko.org) to another mailman instance, such
> as lists.osmocom.org.  We could configure mailman to retain the
>  list-id and simply point the MX to the osmocom.org server, i.e.
> do this without any impact on the list address or users mail filtering
>  rules.
> 
>* e-mail: discontinue e-mail services at openmoko.org (except
> e-mail forwarding).  To my knowledge, only Joerg Reisenweber is using
> this service today - and to be fair, I would kindly suggest to use a
>  different imap-capable home for his e-mail after about a decade
>  of using the Openmoko legacy. Sorry :)
> 
>* svn: discontinue svn service and simply have
>  * caches of the rendered html pages (for old hyperlinks to work),
>  * a git conversion of the old svn tree. for svn.openmoko.org, I
>have done this and published it at
>https://github.com/openmoko/openmoko-svn
> 
>* git: discontinue git service and simply have
>  * caches of the rendered gitweb html pages (for old hyperlinks to
>work), and
>  * the mirror at github.com, which I just created:
>https://github.com/openoko
>  Yes, I'm fully aware that github.com is a proprietary service,
> and they can at any time take those repositories down and/or stop the
>  free service.  I'm not suggesting anyone use this for active
>  development projects.  But just to have a historic archive of
> code around that hasn't changed for 9 years, I think it's ok.
> Running a git server with a kernel tree inside requires quite a bit of
>  resources, and running gitweb or cgit with all the crawlers out
>  there can be a major CPU/RAM/IO hog.  If we can avoid this, we
>  basically eliminate the need for a separate machine for
>  openmoko.org
> 
>* USB VID/PID repository: This is so far kept in the Mediawiki, but
>  I don't see a reason why this couldn't simply convert to just
> being a static CSV file that's on a http server, or a small, simple
> git repository with that CSV file inside.
> 
> Any comments/ideas/suggestions/complants?  I'm all-in for moving
> towards 'b'.  Next to the fact of basically reducing our hosting
> requirements to zero, it also has the advantage that we don't have to
> worry about keeping trac,mediawiki,etc. installations secure and
> updated.  Also, when moving to major new versions, there's always the
> risk of some issues with migrating the old data, some wiki rendering
> errors, etc.  - conserving the generated output saves us from all of
> that.
> 
> If we go for 'b', this would include us releasing SQL dumps of the
> trac, mediawiki, svn, etc. databases (probably clearing any
> passwords / password hashes), so that the raw information can be
> restored by anyone who has an interest to it.
> 
> Regards,
>   Harald
> 

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Re: 10 Years Openmoko Neo1973 anniversary dinner

[Alexander .S.T. Ross]

thanks for sharing too. gave a lot of context to me as a late comer to
gta04.

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Re: 10 Years Openmoko Neo1973 anniversary dinner

[rakshat hooja]

+1 , thanks for sharing

On Oct 15, 2017 2:12 PM, "Harald Welte"  wrote:

Dear Openmoko community,

about one week ago, on October 7, a group of former Openmoko team
members got together to in Taipei to celebrate the tenth anniversary of
the release of the Openmoko Neo1973 (GTA-01).

In terms of attendance, the following people were able to make it:
* Sean Moss-Pultz
* Milosch Meriac
* Nyeng-Yu 'Tony' Tu
* Jim 'jserv' Huang'
* Jollen Chen
* Wolfgang Spraul
* Holger Freyther
* Guillaume 'charlie' Chereau
* Jouston Huang
* Harald 'laforge' Welte

It was great to meet.  Would have been even better to meet more of the
many people involved in both Openmoko the company as well as Openmoko
the FOSS project.  But sure, for the westerners involved in the project,
the trip to Taiwan is simply too far.  And of course many people have other
priorities or schedule, and/or might not hold Openmoko in as fond
memories as I did.

You can find a group picture in Milocsh's tweet at
https://twitter.com/FoolsDelight/status/916723871641780224

Regards,
Harald

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Re: moko13 firmware

[Mychaela Falconia]

Further on the subject of FCC type approval or lack thereof, your
change log at:

http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/calypso_moko_FW/all_version__CHANGELOG.txt

lists "Pass the PTCRB certification" under moko5.  Does it imply that
there was no PTCRB certification and thus no FCC approval number prior
to the time of moko5?  Yet you sold quite a few GTA01 devices prior to
that time.  Does it mean that those GTA01s, particularly the earliest
phase 0 devices, were sold or sent free of cost to people who weren't
OM employees without having FCC approval?  If you say that selling
devices without such full approval is absolutely illegal, then how
were you able to get away with it?

And when it comes to my *current* FreeCalypso devices (as opposed to
potential future ones) which lack FCC approval, please keep in mind
that these current devices are *development* boards, not intended for
end users.  These development boards are specifically intended for
developers and tinkerers who will be playing with their own radio fw
builds, and have no other purpose.  I doubt that such developer kits
(as opposed to end user products) are eligible for FCC approval at all.

Yet there are many, many companies that sell gear specifically for
developers, specifically for lab use in controlled environments, gear
that does not have FCC approval for end user operation.  Even TI back
in the day when they made cellular baseband chipsets made and sold
such development kits, and I even managed to score one of those
historical TI dev kits on ebay:

https://www.freecalypso.org/members/falcon/pictures/D-Sample/

TI's cellular development kits like the one pictured above were sold
to chipset customers who were developing their own products with TI's
chips, were delivered along with those infamous NDA-controlled firmware
sources or semi-sources, and were specifically intended for engineers
to try out their own fw builds.  I somehow doubt that these development
kits had FCC approval of the same kind as end user devices, yet I also
doubt that TI were breaking laws by selling these kits.

Thus if a piece of gear is explicitly sold as a development kit for
engineers, not as an end user product, and it is very clearly indicated
that it is not FCC-approved as an end user product and that the
engineer-customer must take the full personal responsibility for its
radio operation, then maybe it is not so totally illegal for the dev
kit manufacturer to sell such kits?

You are of course correct that if someone buys a non-type-approved
cellular development kit like TI's D-Sample or my FCDEV3B and uses it
to do their own radio fw development, they have a responsibility to do
their initial tests in a controlled environment, either without an
antenna, using a conducted connection to an RF tester like R CMU200
(that's my setup), or with radiated transmissions in an anechoic
chamber like you said.

But there also exists a phase in the development and testing cycle in
which a device has not received full approval yet, but is being tested
on real live GSM networks.  Such tests are conducted with the full
knowledge and cooperation of the network operator, with the test
device operator ready to unplug the power supply at any moment should
the device under test cause any kind of disruption or interference to
the live network.

The ONLY way in which my process deviates from the "fully legitimate"
process described above is that I do not seek special approval from
T-Mobile prior to sticking one of their SIM cards into one of my
development devices, but just do it.  But I never leave such a setup
unattended while powered on, and I always closely monitor the operation
of my devices whenever I conduct operational tests on the live T-Mobile
GSM network.  If the device ever misbehaves in any way (which has yet
to happen), I will most certainly power it off immediately.  Because
my devices function 100% correctly and in accord with the GSM specs,
no interference or disruption of any kind takes place, and absolutely
no harm is caused to anyone.

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Re: moko13 firmware

[Mychaela Falconia]

Joerg wrote:

> What will be your FCC approval number for [new GTA02 clones]

There will be one if someone pays for it, or none otherwise.

> what IS the FCC approval number (and URL to the publicly available FCC
> approval report) of the devices you already built?

There is none.

> Just asking since I might have missed that part and am wrong (as usual
> according to you) in assuming you're selling devices that have no approval at
> all

You are correct in that I am selling devices that have no approval at
all, however, the part you are missing is that these devices are
intended for those people who practice radical self-empowerment and
self-sovereignty, and do not need approval from anyone other than
themselves.

> and thus are illegal to operate outside an anechoic chamber

I've already asked you before: please cite at least one documented
example of any police force anywhere in the world using extrasensory
psychic powers to detect the use of a device which they deem to be
illegal (for lack of regulatory approval) but whose actual radio
transmissions are 100% correct, 100% in accord with the relevant
technical standards, and thus indistinguishable from type-approved and
thus presumably legal devices.

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Re: moko13 firmware

[joerg Reisenweber]

On Tue 10 October 2017 12:38:54 Mychaela Falconia wrote:
> I forgot to add:
> : Option 3: new production of Neo FreeRunner (GTA02) verbatim clones.
> 
> If people do desire to see new production of verbatim GTA02 clones
> that differ from FIC-made ones only in the manufacturing dates and the
> identity of the manufacturer, and someone steps forward to fund such,
> the new FreeRunners will have a sticker inside the battery compartment
> that officially names Falconia Partners LLC rather than Openmoko Inc.
> as the manufacturer of record, thus no one will have any ground to
> bitch about our firmware not being authorized or endorsed by the
> manufacturer.

What will be your FCC approval number for those devices. or on same topic, 
what IS the FCC approval number (and URL to the publicly available FCC 
approval report) of the devices you already built? And is that a global 
approval or a US-only one?

Just asking since I might have missed that part and am wrong (as usual 
according to you) in assuming you're selling devices that have no approval at 
all and thus are illegal to operate outside an anechoic chamber

BR
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Re: moko13 firmware

[Mychaela Falconia]

Stefan Monnier  wrote:

> Why would someone do that?  I mean this as a real technical question:
> what is the difference between 2G and 3G which would cause someone to
> take a stand against 3G?

The difference is that for GSM/2G there exists a practically usable
implementation whose source code you are free to study and improve,
running on hardware whose electrical schematics and even physical PCB
design are published, consisting of chips whose detailed register-level
documentation is also published, without any restricted boot mechanisms
to block you from running your own firmware, i.e., a completely
transparent glass box implementation with full end user empowerment in
terms of understanding and improvement.  Absolutely nothing of this
sort exists for 3G or 4G or newer, or for any of the non-GSM
technologies (CDMA etc) that are also called 2G in marketing terms.

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Re: moko13 firmware

[Stefan Monnier]

> And how many people have responded to this shutdown plan by taking a
> vow to live without any cellphone at all instead of accepting 3G/4G
> when such shutdown happens?

Why would someone do that?  I mean this as a real technical question:
what is the difference between 2G and 3G which would cause someone to
take a stand against 3G?


Stefan "who doesn't want to use cell-phone technology and limits
itself to wifi instead, where it's harder to track you
from a central location"


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Re: moko13 firmware

[Bob Ham]

On 2017-10-12 17:42, Mychaela Falconia wrote:

Bob Ham  wrote:


then

   the FreeCalypso firmware is not based on OM's historical 
firmwares.


Therefore, the statement regarding the recently released moko13
firmware update was not false.


The person I was refuting did not say that the new fw is not based on
OM's historical fw, he said that it is not based on "the original
licensed firmware for Openmoko devices".  A reasonable interpretation
of that "original licensed fw" phrase is "firmware which TI licensed
to OM"


A reasonable interpretation of this situation is that your reasonable 
interpretation of the words of the person you were refuting, is a 
misinterpretation.  That is, you misunderstood what they meant.  It's 
not a big deal.


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Re: moko13 firmware

[Mychaela Falconia]

Bob Ham  wrote:

> then
>
>the FreeCalypso firmware is not based on OM's historical firmwares.
>
> Therefore, the statement regarding the recently released moko13
> firmware update was not false.

The person I was refuting did not say that the new fw is not based on
OM's historical fw, he said that it is not based on "the original
licensed firmware for Openmoko devices".  A reasonable interpretation
of that "original licensed fw" phrase is "firmware which TI licensed
to OM", which would be the 20070608 build of TI's TCS211 fw.  FC is
based on the latter, hence the statement is false in this reasonable
interpretation.

It is true that FreeCalypso fw is based not only on this TCS211 fw
from 20070608, but also on a more recent TI source (TCS3/LoCosto) that
was released free to the world in the spring of 2012 by Dr. Amol Sarva,
the CEO of Peek Inc., as that company was closing, but both of these
starting sources were equally essential to allowing FC fw to become
what it has become (a deblobbed fw rebuilding from source, with
bugfixes and improvements over the original blob-laden TCS211 version
which OM must have used), and neither of the two sources can be said
to be more primary or more essential or more critical than the other.

However, the specific configuration of FC Magnetite fw that is featured
in the moko13 release is very conservative in that wherever some code
from the TCS3/LoCosto source has been used to replace some formerly
binary-only code from TCS211 (L1 and main.lib), that new code has been
massaged to compile into a perfect match to the original blob, as
verified through disassembly, modulo some bug-fixing changes like
fixing the floating inputs bug described earlier, so those parts are
still effectively TCS211-based despite using the new source - we just
regained the ability to study and modify those parts by deblobbing
them.  The more aggressive change of fully replacing the TCS211 blob
version of the G23M protocol stack with the new TCS3 full source
version (TCS2/TCS3 hybrid config) is not included in moko13 (this
hybrid config still needs to have its bugs shaken out), but is planned
for the next release.

Once FreeCalypso makes the transition to the hybrid config with this
entirely new G23M PS version, then you can correctly say that it is no
longer based on the same TI baseline as OM's historical fw, but not
until then.

I hope that my explanation clarifies this firmware situation for
everyone.  I am sure that some people are going to argue that my
continued maintenance of and improvements to OM's firmware are illegal
because I am not an NDA-bound employee of that company and thus have
no right to work on the code they got from TI, but then you need to
remember Openmoko The Company *no longer exists*, hence it would not
be possible for *anyone* to be an employee of that no-longer-existing
company.  So if your lawyer tells you that the no-longer-existing
status of Openmoko-Inc means that no one in the world can legally make
improvements to their firmware and your only legal option is to
forever use their ancient firmware from 2009 or earlier with bugs in
it, then so be it.  For the rest of Humankind who are not so deathly
afraid of lawyers, the new and improved firmware is freely available.

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Re: moko13 firmware

[Bob Ham]

On 2017-10-10 21:16, Mychaela Falconia wrote:


On Tue Aug 29 01:05:29 UTC 2017 Joerg Reisenweber wrote regarding the
recently released moko13 firmware update:

Please carefully note that this update is not based on the original 
licensed

firmware for Openmoko devices,


This statement is false, and the poster knows it.  Both OM's 
historical

firmwares and the current FreeCalypso ones are based on the same
20070608 base code delivery from TI


If

  the FreeCalypso firmware is based on the 20070608 base code from TI

and

  OM's historical firmwares are based on the 20070608 base code from TI

then

  the FreeCalypso firmware is not based on OM's historical firmwares.


Therefore, the statement regarding the recently released moko13 
firmware update was not false.


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Re: moko13 firmware

[Mychaela Falconia]

H. Nikolaus Schaller  wrote:

> Well, with necessary funding Goldelico would be mass producing a GTA17
> this year which would beat the latest iPhones and alike in quality,
> user-experience, functionality and openness.

The amount of funding I would need in order to turn my post-FCDEV3B hw
ideas into reality would be far less than what you would need for what
you just described.  Specifically, I would only need about 2 kUSD to
finish some work on FCDEV3B which needs to be finished before any
follow-up FreeCalypso hw project can be started (I'll cover this part
myself in a few months after I'm done with the current round of family
expenses), and then another 10 kUSD to do any one of the following:

Option 1: reverse-eng the PCB layout of BenQ's M32 module (historical
Calypso-based) and make a FreeCalypso modem module in the same SMT
form factor.

Option 2: for the FreeCalypso Libre Dumbphone idea, produce a bare
board with the functionality of this dumbphone, i.e., a dumbphone sans
case, allowing ad hoc wooden cases and such.

Option 3: produce a clone of OM's GTA02 motherboard (either verbatim
or with changes like Glamo-ectomy), bare, no case, no WLAN/BT add-ons,
plus new Toppoly displays from Alibaba.

Whoever donates the needed 10 kUSD gets to pick which of the above 3
options is to be done.  I cannot guarantee that each of the 3 can be
fully done to the finish line for that 10 kUSD, but 10 kUSD is all I
would need to get the ball rolling, and it would get more than 50% of
the job done.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I get the impression that for your
ideas you would need a lot more than 10 kUSD.

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Re: moko13 firmware

[H. Nikolaus Schaller]

> Am 11.10.2017 um 09:26 schrieb Mychaela Falconia 
> :
> 
> H. Nikolaus Schaller  wrote:
> 
>> So let merephrase: how do you think to get someone pay for it?
> 
> By spreading the message as far and wide as I can that making new
> Calypso phones and modems (be they GTA02 clones or semi-clones, or my
> proposed Libre Dumbphone, or my proposed FC modem in SMT module form
> factor) IS possible, and that there is a small company able and ready
> to do the job given the necessary funding.

Well, with necessary funding Goldelico would be mass producing a GTA17 this
year which would beat the latest iPhones and alike in quality, user-experience,
functionality and openness.

If we get enough funding, we can even get proper FCC/CE certification and
modify the standards so that a free modem can be certified. It is
all just a matter of getting a big enough budget...

Unfortunately, free is contradicting big-budget. Like Heisenberg's
uncertainty principle.

>  I shall keep spreading
> this message far and wide until it reaches the ears of someone who
> sees the idea as a positive and who has the needed money.

In that case, please convince him/her to spend money for more important
things. Like fighting diseases (incl. dictatorship and nationalism) and
rescuing endangered species (like homo sapiens).


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Re: moko13 firmware

[Mychaela Falconia]

H. Nikolaus Schaller  wrote:

> So let merephrase: how do you think to get someone pay for it?

By spreading the message as far and wide as I can that making new
Calypso phones and modems (be they GTA02 clones or semi-clones, or my
proposed Libre Dumbphone, or my proposed FC modem in SMT module form
factor) IS possible, and that there is a small company able and ready
to do the job given the necessary funding.  I shall keep spreading
this message far and wide until it reaches the ears of someone who
sees the idea as a positive and who has the needed money.

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Re: moko13 firmware

[H . Nikolaus Schaller]

> Am 11.10.2017 um 08:17 schrieb Mychaela Falconia 
> :
> 
> Sure, if someone pays for the cost of making new moulds.

So let merephrase: how do you think to get someone pay for it?


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Re: moko13 firmware

[Mychaela Falconia]

H. Nikolaus Schaller  wrote:

> I wonder where you want to get all the tiny glue components from...
>
> E.g. toppoly display,

The last time I looked a few months ago, they were readily available
from AliExpress.

> pogo pins for speakers,

Are you talking about the ones on the motherboard itself?  Take a look
at this photo:

https://www.freecalypso.org/members/falcon/mehr/IMG_20170209_151417.jpeg

It is a semi-clone of the GTA02 motherboard made by an Iranian company;
it retains the Samsung AP and the Calypso modem from the GTA02, and I
developed some custom features in FreeCalypso firmware for them.  They
specifically needed the modem to be Calypso so they can do some special
things with it, and they hired me to implement the necessary firmware
support for their special features.

These people have made some changes to the functionality of the board
which make their board usable only for them and not for the community,
but as far as I can tell, all of the electromechanical interfaces are
unchanged from the original.  Thus all exotic components which sit on
the motherboard itself have been successfully located.  If these
Iranian folks have successfully made a GTA02 MB semi-clone with their
special modifications, we can likewise make one without those mods.

> speakers, vibramotor,

These are case components, not on the MB, but once again I remember my
Iranian contacts telling me that they got those components taken care
of somehow.  Literally the ONLY component they said they couldn't find
was the bow-shaped GSM antenna, which I assume would need to be
custom-recreated.  I told them about the green "cucumber" antenna
board depicted on your case kit page.

> battery connector,

On the motherboard and clearly visible in the GTA02 semi-clone board
photo above.

> HF08 battery,

Plenty of Chinese phone manufs make batteries in Nokia BL-6C form
factor, and it can't be too difficult to have a special version made
with an OM-style Coulomb counter built in.  Besides Christoph Pulster
told me that he still has a whole ton of NOS ones in stock.

> shields,

These would need to be custom-made, of course.

> And: can you produce Neo Freerunner plastic cases?

Sure, if someone pays for the cost of making new moulds.

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Re: moko13 firmware

[H. Nikolaus Schaller]

> Am 10.10.2017 um 22:16 schrieb Mychaela Falconia 
> :
> 
> Option 3: new production of Neo FreeRunner (GTA02) verbatim clones.

I wonder where you want to get all the tiny glue components from...

E.g. toppoly display, pogo pins for speakers, speakers, vibramotor, battery 
connector, HF08 battery,
shields, just to name some. Many of them are EOL for years and almost 
impossible to locate even
through broker networks.

You may be able to find almost compatible replacements for *some* of them but 
then you have to
redesign everything and it is no longer a verbatim clone. BTW: it was already a 
problem when
designing the GTA04 years ago.

And: can you produce Neo Freerunner plastic cases?


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Re: moko13 firmware

[David Arnold]

> On 11 Oct 2017, at 10:46, Mychaela Falconia  
> wrote:
> 
> David Arnold  wrote:
> 
>> FWIW, I think the last 2G network in Australia is shutting down in
>> March 2018 (following the December 2016 and August 2017 closure of
>> the other two networks).
> 
> And how many people have responded to this shutdown plan by taking a
> vow to live without any cellphone at all instead of accepting 3G/4G
> when such shutdown happens?

To a first approximation?  Zero.




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Re: moko13 firmware

[Mychaela Falconia]

David Arnold  wrote:

> FWIW, I think the last 2G network in Australia is shutting down in
> March 2018 (following the December 2016 and August 2017 closure of
> the other two networks).

And how many people have responded to this shutdown plan by taking a
vow to live without any cellphone at all instead of accepting 3G/4G
when such shutdown happens?  I have already made just such a vow for
myself when it comes to the threatened shutdown of T-Mobile's GSM/2G
network in my part of the world, which is also the last one.

And how many people are looking into building their own replacement
GSM/2G networks following the example of Rhizomatica?  See:

https://www.rhizomatica.org/

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Re: moko13 firmware

[David Arnold]

> On 11 Oct 2017, at 07:16, Mychaela Falconia  
> wrote:

<…>

> We are definitely interested in hearing which of the above might be of
> interest to people, if any.

FWIW, I think the last 2G network in Australia is shutting down in March 2018 
(following the December 2016 and August 2017 closure of the other two networks).
So I expect there’ll be no (or very little) interest from here.




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Re: moko13 firmware

[Mychaela Falconia]

I forgot to add:

: Option 3: new production of Neo FreeRunner (GTA02) verbatim clones.

If people do desire to see new production of verbatim GTA02 clones
that differ from FIC-made ones only in the manufacturing dates and the
identity of the manufacturer, and someone steps forward to fund such,
the new FreeRunners will have a sticker inside the battery compartment
that officially names Falconia Partners LLC rather than Openmoko Inc.
as the manufacturer of record, thus no one will have any ground to
bitch about our firmware not being authorized or endorsed by the
manufacturer.

And for those who missed that news item, let me repeat that we
(Falconia Partners LLC, doing business under the brand name FreeCalypso)
have already successfully produced our first fully working Calypso
modem product, along with production line RF calibration no worse than
OM's, in the form factor of a standalone modem development board.  Thus
my talk about building new Calypso phone and modem products is not just
hypothetical, but quite real.

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Re: modem firmware

[Troy Benjegerdes]

> On the note of "if only we could properly finance you", I actually
> happen to know some very good recently retired ASIC design engineers,
> and if there were "proper" financing available, I might be able to
> convince them to come out of retirement and work on a libre LTE modem
> ASIC project with me.  But the "proper" financing for a project of
> that sort would need to be well into millions of dollars, hence I am
> not holding my breath for any such venture.
> 
> On the other hand, you can have a libre modem for GSM/2G based on the
> elderly Calypso chipset for much much less: the already-developed
> FCDEV3B modem boards for hobbyists and tinkerers will probably go for
> somewhere in the $500-600 USD range retail, and if you are interested
> in an SMT modem module (directly competing with SIM900 etc) based on
> the FreeCalypso core, the development cost would be somewhere in the
> low 5 digits USD, as opposed to the 7 digits for a new LTE modem ASIC.

Have you looked at the crazy things that have raised stupid amounts
just because they say 'blockchain buzzword buzzword PROFIT' recently?

If there was ever a time to do a $100 million dollar coin offering
for open-source hardware silicon, it would probably be now.

Choice of venue to incorporate said offering should be left to
supporting blockchain partner company lawyers.

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Re: modem firmware

[Mychaela Falconia]

Troy Benjegerdes wrote:

> Please advise how I may best encourage you to stop talking
> and take my money.

Take your money?  Which product are you seeking to buy?  An FCDEV3B
board?  I am hoping to have those boards available for retail sale by
the end of September, i.e., only one month of waiting left.  I have an
outstanding order for a batch of boards with my contract manufacturer,
the CM acknowledged the order on 20170810 and said it was going to be
3 to 4 weeks, so they are supposed to deliver by Thursday of next week
(20170907) and I am going to bug them at that time if they don't
deliver by then.  Once the CM delivers the assembled boards to me, I
will need to take them to my home lab and put them through the
production test and calibration process (I have successfully recreated
the CMU200-based RF calibration process despite never having obtained
a copy of OM's original software for it), that production test will
reveal how many of the assembled boards are actually good (so far the
good yield has been about 50%), and then the good boards will become
sellable.

> Now if only we could
> properly finance you to find bugs and reverse-engineer a
> better 4GLTE software defined radio...

Reverse engineering and SDR do not go together; with an SDR approach
there is nothing to reverse-eng and instead you have to forward-eng
everything yourself from scratch.

However, none of the mainstream commercial 4G/LTE modems are SDR-based,
instead they all use custom silicon.  USRP-style SDR approach is
totally unsuitable for a cellphone which you could carry in your
pocket, instead you would need custom silicon of the kind that
Qualcomm and MTK and their ilk make.

On the note of "if only we could properly finance you", I actually
happen to know some very good recently retired ASIC design engineers,
and if there were "proper" financing available, I might be able to
convince them to come out of retirement and work on a libre LTE modem
ASIC project with me.  But the "proper" financing for a project of
that sort would need to be well into millions of dollars, hence I am
not holding my breath for any such venture.

On the other hand, you can have a libre modem for GSM/2G based on the
elderly Calypso chipset for much much less: the already-developed
FCDEV3B modem boards for hobbyists and tinkerers will probably go for
somewhere in the $500-600 USD range retail, and if you are interested
in an SMT modem module (directly competing with SIM900 etc) based on
the FreeCalypso core, the development cost would be somewhere in the
low 5 digits USD, as opposed to the 7 digits for a new LTE modem ASIC.

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Re: modem firmware

[Troy Benjegerdes]

> > and thus will void your device's (FCC/CE/...)
> > approval
> 
> The fact that a modem running your official firmware that falsely
> believes itself to be quadband when running on triband-calibrated hw
> VIOLATES the actual technical specs for the transmitted signals can
> only mean that the approval you got was fraudulent or at least
> erroneous (the certification testers overlooked the technical spec
> violation), and the actual radio operation of the modem with my fw is
> in BETTER compliance with the specs than with your fw.

Please advise how I may best encourage you to stop talking
and take my money. This is quite likely the most usefull
public service I have seen done in quite awhile.

It is unfortunate that previous bankrupt vendors released a
product with shoddy qualifications. Now if only we could 
properly finance you to find bugs and reverse-engineer a
better 4GLTE software defined radio...

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Re: modem firmware

[Mychaela Falconia]

joerg Reisenweber wrote:

> the moral aspects of calling somebody out for removing "no parking" signs so
> people would have to pay tickets for unknowingly parking there, or not telling
> people that they are in danger to even *do time in jail* when they install and
> use a firmware that person provides, are not arguable in my world.

Please explain *just how* someone can be in danger of doing time in
jail for installing and using my bugfix updates for your buggy fw when
the actual radio transmissions from the modem remain exactly the same
whether you run the old buggy fw or one of my newer versions.  They
remain exactly the same because:

a) The hardware is obviously unchanged.

b) The RF calibration values in FFS originally written there on your
factory production line remain the same.  I do plan on offering a
recalibration service whereby a GTA01/02 device owner can send their
device to my FreeCalypso warranty service center, it gets recalibrated
at my family company on our R CMU200 (the same RF test machine we
use to calibrate the new FreeCalypso devices we produce ourselves) and
sent back to the owner with this fresh calibration, but this service
is not up yet, and when it does become available, it is naturally quite
separate from an end user merely installing a firmware update.

c) The L1 code in my current firmware is a perfect match in logic to
TI's 20070608 version which appears in your old fw versions moko3
through moko8, inclusive, a range which certainly includes whatever fw
version you used in your type approval process.

d) The radio protocol stack layers above L1 (collectively called L23)
have not changed since moko8 all the way through my current moko13,
with the exception of a few functional bugfixes which do not affect
radio operation in any way.

The only way in which the modem's radio operation can be changed after
installing one of my fw updates would be if the user not only installs
the actual fw update, but also changes the /gsm/com/rfcap file afterward
(with the fc-fsio utility's set-rfcap command) to reflect the actual
triband configuration of the hw.  But even in that case the only change
will be that the modem will no longer attempt to operate in the
unsupported and uncalibrated 4th band, which means *less* possible
radio transmission, not more.

Or are you saying that my fw updates are illegal simply because you
have made that public post from an openmoko.org email address saying
that is not officially endorsed by Openmoko the company?  If that is
your argument, then it can be easily proven that Openmoko the company
no longer exists as a legal entity in any country and that you
personally as a mere ex-employee of that no-longer-existing company
have no special power to make statements on its behalf.

And please give me at least one documented example of any police force
using extrasensory psychic powers to detect and arrest a user of a
phone whose firmware has been updated in a way which they deem to be
illegal.  Given that the actual radio transmissions remain absolutely
unchanged, they would need ESP in order to detect such an illegal fw
update.

> telling OM about alleged violations of rules while bluntly admitting that you
> yourself don't care abouzt rules, have no clue about them and think they are
> made to get violated... YES that is the spacefalcon we know and love ... *NOT*

While I do not care for any of the laws imposed by any of the self-
appointed and ultimately illegitimate national governments, as an
engineer I am very diligent about making my very best effort to comply
with sensible technical standards, and I continue to argue that my
products are better in this regard than yours.

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Re: modem firmware

[Mychaela Falconia]

Fernando  wrote:

> Having said that, I find the physical threats out of proportion
> for the intended benefit. Not to mention counterproductive.

Please cite at least one physical threat within the last 4 y, i.e.,
later than 2013-08, after the FreeCalypso social justice project
successfully ended and the FreeCalypso technical project began.

OTOH, if you are still hung up about ancient history, i.e., about the
unpleasant things I had to do back in 2013, I am sorry if you don't
like it, but there was no other way.  The people in question were
sitting on the *world's last remaining copy* of TI's TCS211 firmware
for the Calypso+Iota+Rita chipset, *no one else in the world* including
TI had a copy of this chipset fw any more, all other available TI
sources were only for their later LoCosto chipset.

The TCS211 source in question has been liberated in the fall of 2013
thanks to another comrade who did what I was not able to do myself.
It is unfortunate that no such person had stepped forward sooner, but
willingness of other people to step forward and do something which I
could not do myself is not something that I ever had any control over.

joerg Reisenweber wrote:

> wanna come shoot me once more?

For what purpose?  Just to shut you up, to stop the flow of negative
commentary from your mouth/fingers onto this list?  No thanks, I have
no interest in spending the rest of my life in prison for killing
someone who does nothing more than post a bunch of bitter commentary
on mailing lists - instead I would much rather spend my life doing
some actual productive work, like building new libre phones and modems
with the Calypso chipset and finishing the deblobbing of their fw.
Wanna show us some examples of some actual productive work YOU have
done lately?

Have a nice day!

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Re: modem firmware

[Fernando]

Obviously freecalypso should have a disclaimer about the legal aspects 
involved, but I guess people actually interested in this would be aware (e.g., 
discussed many times) and the lack (?) of such a disclaimer is not necessarily 
done in bad-faith as you claim ("lure"). But I do understand you are entitled 
to a fair bias against the possible good faith of their actions.

On August 29, 2017 at 11:20:29 am +02:00, joerg Reisenweber 
 wrote:

> the moral aspects of calling somebody out for removing "no parking" signs so
> people would have to pay tickets for unknowingly parking there, or not telling
> people that they are in danger to even *do time in jail* when they install and
> use a firmware that person provides, are not arguable in my world.
> 
> I won't comment the rest since it's totally missing the point
> 
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Re: modem firmware

[joerg Reisenweber]

the moral aspects of calling somebody out for removing "no parking" signs so 
people would have to pay tickets for unknowingly parking there, or not telling 
people that they are in danger to even *do time in jail* when they install and 
use a firmware that person provides, are not arguable in my world.

I won't comment the rest since it's totally missing the point

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Re: modem firmware

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I think it is good that you warn people about the illegality of the situation.

I don't think it is good you claim the high ground of morals. According to your 
definition of right, the status of society would never change. Yes, one could 
do the legal fights to change the law, I guess. Good luck with that.

You appear to disregard that society has changed mostly with revolutions, 
fights for workers rights, etc, to arrive to a better world from which you 
probably benefit. And there is clearly room for improvement for a better 
society.

"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists 
in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the 
unreasonable man." George Bernard Shaw 
,

Having said that, I find the physical threats out of proportion for the 
intended benefit. Not to mention counterproductive.

Regards,
Fernando Martins

On August 29, 2017 at 10:14:57 am +02:00, joerg Reisenweber 
 wrote:

> On Mon 28 August 2017 22:33:03 Mychaela Falconia wrote:
> 
> > > thus rendering any operation of the device outside controlled self-
> > > contained lab environment illegal.
> > > 
> > 
> > Yup, just like using hormonal birth control from an overseas pharmacy
> > without allowing a doctor to sexually violate you under the guise of a
> > necessary exam. Laws like that are MEANT to be broken.
> > 
> Thanks for taking care to lure users into breaking laws that need to get
> broken according to your definition. Just, I don't need any help on that, I
> need clear information about what I into when I follow your advice.
> 
> Can't you see how you're acting wrong?
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Re: modem firmware

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for the rest:
telling OM about alleged violations of rules while bluntly admitting that you 
yourself don't care abouzt rules, have no clue about them and think they are 
made to get violated... YES that is the spacefalcon we know and love ... *NOT*

wanna come shoot me once more? Or do you think you tricked us once more? 
Honestly you never were close to that. The only one's foot you are constantly 
shooting is your own.

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Re: modem firmware

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On Mon 28 August 2017 22:33:03 Mychaela Falconia wrote:
> > thus rendering any operation of the device outside controlled self-
> > contained lab environment illegal.
> 
> Yup, just like using hormonal birth control from an overseas pharmacy
> without allowing a doctor to sexually violate you under the guise of a
> necessary exam.  Laws like that are MEANT to be broken.

Thanks for taking care to lure users into breaking laws that need to get 
broken according to your definition. Just, I don't need any help on that, I 
need clear information about what I into when I follow your advice.

Can't you see how you're acting wrong?

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Re: modem firmware

[Mychaela Falconia]

joerg Reisenweber wrote:

> Please carefully note that this update is not based on the original licensed
> firmware for Openmoko devices,

Your original licensed firmware has bugs in it; the updated firmware
has some of these bugs fixed.  Want examples?  Here are just a few in
no particular order:

* Your firmware configures many Calypso signals which are unconnected
in the hardware as inputs, resulting in floating inputs.  As an EE you
surely know that floating digital inputs are generally bad.  I even
found a document from TI specific to the chips in question that says
that such floating inputs can result in excessive current draw, wasting
the battery:

https://www.freecalypso.org/LoCosto-docs/SW%20doc/0002_4006_power_consumption_APN.PDF

* In April of 2008 some clueless moron at TI-Taiwan sent you a patch
for L1 in the form of a binary blob with mystery content that attempted
to fix the infamous bug #1024.  Later you figured out that it was a
hardware bug that cannot be fixed by firmware means, but even before
that realization you knew that TI's patch from 20080421 did not improve
anything, and you even knew that the patch in question was unofficial
from TI's perspective and had not passed TI's internal quality assurance
processes:

http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-April/002582.html

Yet you included that bogus patch in moko10 and moko11, and unfortunately
I also kept it in moko12 (my first post-OM-Inc fw from late 2013) because
I didn't know any better back then.  In moko13 the bogon has been
removed, restoring L1 to the way it was in TI's baseline TCS211 firmware,
but even better, I have successfully reconstructed recompilable C source
that compiles into a bit-for-bit match to the original blobs, i.e.,
essentially the lost source which TI had wrongfully withheld from various
customers including OM has been reconstructed and We The People now have
the Corresponding Source to what used to be a bunch of blobs.

* A different clueless moron (this one had to be an employee of OM, as
the bogon in question is present in your code but not in TI's reference
version) has put in a "gem" in fw versions moko6 through moko11,
inclusive, that tells the RR (Radio Resource) layer of the G23M protocol
stack that the hardware is quadband, when it is only triband in reality.
As a result the fw will attempt to search for GSM cells in all 4 bands,
and you even posted on this list back in 2014 that you had a US-band
FreeRunner kinda-sorta-work in the 900 MHz band.

However, the factory production line calibration on GTA01/02 devices
was only performed for the 3 properly supported bands, not for the 4th
band, hence if the fw allows the use of that 4th band and the modem's
Rx tract manages to pick up a particularly strong signal that passes
through the wrong-band SAW filter, when the modem subsequently turns
its transmitter on in that band, it will be transmitting without
calibration.  When no calibration has been done for a given Tx band,
the fw will use its hard-coded values, but because you have always said
that you only got binary blobs and no source for that part of the fw,
I have every good reason to assume that those hard-coded values (which
are overridden by factory calibration values written into FFS for the
3 properly supported bands) are not correct for Openmoko hardware at
all, and were probably set up for some earlier TI board, most likely
Leonardo.  The RF tract on TI's historical Leonardo boards was quite
different from yours, including a different RF PA, hence when your
bogus firmware operates the modem in an uncalibrated band, the Tx
power levels are going to be wildly out of spec.  I will have some
actual measured dBm numbers for you in a few months when I save up the
money to get my CMU200 properly recalibrated by Rohde

The firmware bug in question has been fixed in moko12 and moko13: these
newer fw versions no longer overwrite the /gsm/com/rfcap file in FFS
on every boot, so if you do a 'set-rfcap tri900' or 'set-rfcap tri850'
via fc-fsio as appropriate to your GTA01/02 hw variant, your correct
rfcap setting will stay, the modem will no longer waste time trying to
receive in the unsupported 4th band, and it will never act as an out-
of-spec transmitter in that 4th band.

> has not been checked and is not endorsed by
> original manufacturer Openmoko

And what exactly is the worth of an endorsement by the dead ghosts of
a no-longer-existing company that did a shitty job of supporting this
modem back when it was in business?

> and thus will void your device's (FCC/CE/...)
> approval

The fact that a modem running your official firmware that falsely
believes itself to be quadband when running on triband-calibrated hw
VIOLATES the actual technical specs for the transmitted signals can
only mean that the approval you got was fraudulent or at least
erroneous (the certification testers overlooked the technical spec
violation), and the actual radio operation of the modem with my fw is
in 

Re: modem firmware

[mail]

hi Joerg

>Can't find any such link to release notes in the howto

https://www.freecalypso.org/pipermail/community/2017-August/000452.html

for the beta release of the firmware (the moko13 release has no significant 
changes from the beta) and

https://www.freecalypso.org/pipermail/community/2017-August/000464.html

for the latest release of fc host tools

Both those links are in the howto

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Re: modem firmware

[joerg Reisenweber]

On Mon 28 August 2017 11:29:17 m...@dmatthews.org wrote:
> The relevant howto includes a link to the release notes which include
> reasons why you might wish to do this.

Can't find any such link to release notes in the howto
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Re: modem firmware

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On Mon 28 August 2017 11:29:17 m...@dmatthews.org wrote:
> hello
> 
> There are step by step instructions to upgrade the modem firmware of your
> freerunner to the latest moko13 release from the freecalypso community.
> 
> https://www.freecalypso.org/members/david/howtos/
> 
> The relevant howto includes a link to the release notes which include
> reasons why you might wish to do this.
> 
> --
> David Matthews
> m...@dmatthews.org

Please carefully note that this update is not based on the original licensed 
firmware for Openmoko devices, has not been checked and is not endorsed by 
original manufacturer Openmoko and thus will void your device's (FCC/CE/...) 
approval thus rendering any operation of the device outside controlled self-
contained lab environment illegal.

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Re: Openmoko IMEI survey

[joerg Reisenweber]

On Fri 18 August 2017 15:12:21 Mychaela Falconia wrote:
>  simple logic says that at least 98 numbers
> out of Openmoko's IMEI range must be still unused, and thus potentially
> usable for new production of GTA02 verbatim clones and/or FCDEV3B
> boards which are just the modem part of the GTA02.


Why would you want to abuse OpenMoko IMEIs in an illegal way, instead of 
arbitrary other larger manufacturer, for a series of phones not built and not 
in use anymore?

You're not owning those IMEIs (they need to be purchased/rented), for OM it 
would be illegal and punishable to support or invite you to use them in the 
way you plan to. And you're exposing OpenMoko device owners to public scrutiny 
by hijacking and abusing this particular IMEI range, possibly resulting in the 
whole IMEI range getting blacklisted on carriers.

@community: It's generally considered a poor idea to disclose your devices' 
IMEIs and particularly in this case you should think twice before you do.
I strongly suggest to use Nokia's 2110 IMEI range instead, or some other 
similar zombie IMEI range for Motorola or whatever.
For Falconia there's not a single benefit from using OM IMEI for that illegal 
purpose.

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Re: Openmoko IMEI survey

[nitpilot]

Hello Mychaela,

my GTA02 in Germany (which I had to search for on the shelf) has 
35465101 16x

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On Friday 18 August 2017 15:12:21 Mychaela Falconia wrote:
> Hello Openmoko and FreeCalypso communities,
> 
> I am doing a survey of Openmoko device users to see what portions of
> Openmoko's IMEI number range (TAC 35465101, a range of 1 million
> possible numbers) have been used to number the 15 thousand or so
> devices that have been made, and what portions are unused.  Given that
> fewer than 20 thousand units have been made out of the range of
> 1 million IMEI numbers, simple logic says that at least 98 numbers
> out of Openmoko's IMEI range must be still unused, and thus potentially
> usable for new production of GTA02 verbatim clones and/or FCDEV3B
> boards which are just the modem part of the GTA02.  But I need to make
> my very best effort to determine WHICH portions of Om's IMEI range
> have already been used, so I use a different subrange for new device
> numbering.
> 
> Unfortunately it appears that no official factory records of IMEI
> assignments have survived the demise of Openmoko-Inc (I tried asking
> Sean M-P several times by email, but never heard anything back), hence
> I am making my best effort to reconstruct this lost knowledge by way
> of a community survey.
> 
> To everyone reading this solicitation who owns an Openmoko device: I
> would love to hear from you if your device falls into one of the
> following 3 cases:
> 
> 1: If you have a GTA01 (I have never seen one with my own eyes) as
>opposed to the more common GTA02, I would love to hear if the first
>8 digits of its IMEI are 35465101 (same as GTA02) or something
>different.
> 
> 2: If you have a GTA02 hardware variant with "US" bands, i.e.,
>850/1800/1900 MHz (FCC ID EUNGTA02), as opposed to the much more
>common "EU" variant (900/1800/1900 MHz, FCC ID EUNGTA02E), same
>request as above: I would like to know if the first 8 digits of the
>IMEI are 35465101 or something different.  Like with the GTA01, I
>have never seen a "US" FreeRunner with my own eyes.
> 
> 3: All Openmoko devices, whether GTA01 or GTA02, "EU" or "US": if the
>first 8 digits of your IMEI are 35465101, but the following two
>digits are something other than 16 or 96, I would like to know what
>those two digits are.
> 
> The two digits after the 35465101 TAC prefix are the first 2 digits of
> the 6-digit SNR (serial number) field, and it is the usage of this SNR
> space that I am after.  So far the only Openmoko devices I have laid
> my hands on have been GTA02 "EU" version units, their TAC has always
> been 35465101, and the SNR field has always been either 16 on
> older units or 96 on newer ones.  However, if there have been
> Openmoko devices made with something other than 16 or 96 in
> the SNR field of the IMEI, I would really like to know about them so I
> can avoid stepping on those subranges and pick a subrange that has not
> been used at all.
> 
> TIA for your participation in the survey,
> 
> Mychaela Falconia
> Mother of FreeCalypso
> www.freecalypso.org
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Re: Openmoko IMEI survey

[Mychaela Falconia]

Ben Deering wrote:

> The US GTA02 I still have (FCC EUNGTA02) uses 3546510116x.

Thank you for the info!  Thanks to this tidbit from you, we know now
that FIC was quite lax in (not) following the official IMEI rules,
using the same TAC (the first 8 digits of the IMEI) for devices with
different frequency band hardware configs, which is a no-no per the
official rules...

I am still waiting for confirmation on that one, but it also appears
that they used the same TAC for both GTA01 and GTA02, contrary to the
official rule that the TAC must be different for every new model no
matter how minor the change is.  (The *only* difference they allow to
exist within one TAC is the case color!)  The entry for TAC 35465101
in GSMA's IMEI database lists the manufacturer as "FIC" (not Openmoko)
and the model as "FIC Neo1973 Smartphone", so all evidence suggests
that it was originally obtained for GTA01 and later reused for GTA02.
The same IMEI database entry also lists the frequency bands as
"GSM 1800,GSM 1900,GSM 900", so clearly the reuse of the same TAC for
the "US" GTA02 version was a later hack.

My own opinion: while I do not particularly agree with reusing the
same device type code (TAC) for devices with different frequency bands
in the hardware, I fully applaud FIC (or was it OM after they split
off?) for breaking the absolutely idiotic rule about getting a new TAC
for every change in the hardware model, no matter how invisible and
irrelevant a change like GTA01->GTA02 is from the perspective of GSM
networks.  Seeing FIC (or OM) take the TAC that was officially
assigned for GTA01 devices only and reuse it for the GTA02 will
certainly help me justify further reusing the same TAC for my GTA02-
derived FCDEV3B modems. :-)

> I have not tried inserting a SIM, but I have heard that frequencies
> have been repurposed and that it probably wouldn't work in the US and
> more.

I live in USA-occupied Incalia (one of the ancient names for the
continent now called North America), specifically on land which USA
wrongfully and forcibly took from Mexico (California), and I use
nothing but GSM/2G cellular devices.  Furthermore, none of these
GSM/2G devices that I use even have that "US" 850 MHz band, instead
they are all "European triband" or what I call tri900 in FreeCalypso,
i.e., 900/1800/1900 MHz, and they make use of the GSM/2G services in
the 1900 MHz PCS band.  The operator is T-Mobile USA.

The FCDEV3B modem board I have built is a clone of the tri900 ("EU")
version of the GTA02 in RF hardware terms.  I would not know how to
build a tri850 version unless someone tells me what SAW filter part
number I should populate for the 850 MHz band in the place of the
B7820 for the 900 MHz band.  I am hoping to never need to build
Om-style tri850 hardware and to go directly to quadband instead
(following TI's Leonardo+ and E-Sample designs) for my next hardware
iteration.

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Re: Openmoko IMEI survey

[Benjamin Deering]

The US GTA02 I still have (FCC EUNGTA02) uses 3546510116x.

I have not tried inserting a SIM, but I have heard that frequencies
have been repurposed and that it probably wouldn't work in the US and
more.


On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 15:12:21 -0800 Mychaela Falconia
 wrote:

> Hello Openmoko and FreeCalypso communities,
> 
> I am doing a survey of Openmoko device users to see what portions of
> Openmoko's IMEI number range (TAC 35465101, a range of 1 million
> possible numbers) have been used to number the 15 thousand or so
> devices that have been made, and what portions are unused.  Given that
> fewer than 20 thousand units have been made out of the range of
> 1 million IMEI numbers, simple logic says that at least 98 numbers
> out of Openmoko's IMEI range must be still unused, and thus
> potentially usable for new production of GTA02 verbatim clones and/or
> FCDEV3B boards which are just the modem part of the GTA02.  But I
> need to make my very best effort to determine WHICH portions of Om's
> IMEI range have already been used, so I use a different subrange for
> new device numbering.
> 
> Unfortunately it appears that no official factory records of IMEI
> assignments have survived the demise of Openmoko-Inc (I tried asking
> Sean M-P several times by email, but never heard anything back), hence
> I am making my best effort to reconstruct this lost knowledge by way
> of a community survey.
> 
> To everyone reading this solicitation who owns an Openmoko device: I
> would love to hear from you if your device falls into one of the
> following 3 cases:
> 
> 1: If you have a GTA01 (I have never seen one with my own eyes) as
>opposed to the more common GTA02, I would love to hear if the first
>8 digits of its IMEI are 35465101 (same as GTA02) or something
>different.
> 
> 2: If you have a GTA02 hardware variant with "US" bands, i.e.,
>850/1800/1900 MHz (FCC ID EUNGTA02), as opposed to the much more
>common "EU" variant (900/1800/1900 MHz, FCC ID EUNGTA02E), same
>request as above: I would like to know if the first 8 digits of the
>IMEI are 35465101 or something different.  Like with the GTA01, I
>have never seen a "US" FreeRunner with my own eyes.
> 
> 3: All Openmoko devices, whether GTA01 or GTA02, "EU" or "US": if the
>first 8 digits of your IMEI are 35465101, but the following two
>digits are something other than 16 or 96, I would like to know what
>those two digits are.
> 
> The two digits after the 35465101 TAC prefix are the first 2 digits of
> the 6-digit SNR (serial number) field, and it is the usage of this SNR
> space that I am after.  So far the only Openmoko devices I have laid
> my hands on have been GTA02 "EU" version units, their TAC has always
> been 35465101, and the SNR field has always been either 16 on
> older units or 96 on newer ones.  However, if there have been
> Openmoko devices made with something other than 16 or 96 in
> the SNR field of the IMEI, I would really like to know about them so I
> can avoid stepping on those subranges and pick a subrange that has not
> been used at all.
> 
> TIA for your participation in the survey,
> 
> Mychaela Falconia
> Mother of FreeCalypso
> www.freecalypso.org
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Re: GTA04 bundle for sale

[Bob Ham]

Hi again,

After some discussion with others, inspection of currency exchange 
rates, and further ruminations on my desire to shift the kit, I have 
decided to drop the asking price to £550 plus postage, or nearest offer.


Regards,

Bob


On 2017-02-22 21:20, Bob Ham wrote:

Hi all,

I am offering a huge GTA04 bundle including a complete GTA04, a
complete Neo 1973 (GTA01) kit and a virtual treasure trove of
accessories :-)  The GTA04 can run the latest 4.10 kernel[0].

Photos are here: http://settrans.net/~rah/gta04-sale/

- Golden Delicious GTA04 1GHz CPU, 1GB RAM board
- Golden Delicious GTA04 LCD module (attached to GTA04 board)
- Golden Delicious GTA04 RS232 cable
- OpenMoko Neo 1973 case, modified to fit GTA04
- OpenMoko Neo 1973 board with LCD attached (it has string around it
  to keep the battery in; I'll even throw in the string for free! ;-)
- OpenMoko charger A10P1-05MP 5V 2.0A, USB mini B with swappable UK
  and European plugs (bought new from Pulster.de in 2013)
- FIC GTA-01 battery (barely holds charge)
- FIC GTA-02 battery (good, bought new from Pulster.de in 2013)
- OpenMoko neoprene phone case
- OpenMoko big black plastic hacker box (this is possibly the hardest
  thing to let go of; it's a really nice box :-)
- OpenMoko lanyard, unopened
- 2x GTA01 debug boards with flexible flat cables
- Bag of PCB offsets for one debug board
- 2x Glede Torx T6 screwdrivers (one brand new and unopened)
- 2x brand new USB A to USB mini B cables
- Dunlop 73 guitar pick
- Combination pen, stylus and LED light with metal case.
  Unfortunately the pocket clip is loose now and doesn't stay on any
  more. I can't comment on the light but the batteries are definitely
  drained :-)  I'll include them though, so you can find
  replacements.
- Zagg Invisible Shield "OpenMoko Condom" case protector (unused)

I am looking to sell everything for £800 (GBP) plus postage or to
exchange for bitcoins.  I'm open to offers though.

Kind regards,

Bob

[0]

http://lists.goldelico.com/pipermail/gta04-owner/2017-February/007257.html


PS, please excuse the cross-posting


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Re: latest Openmoko/GTA04 tinkering: wireless charger

[Neil Jerram]

That is awesome!

  Original Message  
From: H. Nikolaus Schaller
Sent: Saturday, 31 December 2016 16:39
To: Tinkerphones Community
Reply To: List for Openmoko community discussion
Cc: List for Openmoko community discussion
Subject: latest Openmoko/GTA04 tinkering: wireless charger

Hi,
I spent some time to develop a Qi charger for the GTA01/02/04 devices
and here its is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsSdDYHx7d4

Enjoy and happy new year,
Nikolaus


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Re: latest Openmoko/GTA04 tinkering: wireless charger

[Sebastian Reinhardt]

Am 31.12.2016 um 17:30 schrieb H. Nikolaus Schaller:
> Hi,
> I spent some time to develop a Qi charger for the GTA01/02/04 devices
> and here its is:
>
>   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsSdDYHx7d4
>
> Enjoy and happy new year,
> Nikolaus
>
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Cool! This is an cool feature most other phones did not offer!

But I prefer an "internal" solution to preserve the USB-port. Is it
possible to use this pcb to insert it to the place there the additional
sensor-/ navigation- board was installed in GTA02- version?

Then we can connect it with the RS232- pins, as You proposed before? The
only problem left is, we need a solution for the antenna/ coil. Maybe we
can use an little bit thicker back-/ battery-cover made by an 3D-printer
(like an modified cover based on "slyon's")?

Go on!

My wishes for 2017:

- lets make QtMoKo working complete with exiting hardware (incl. camera,
bluetooth,) and Debian packages

- maybe an Replicant with complete support

- 2018: GTA06 (complete new hardware, to get rid of limitations like
obsolete hardware..) with sunlight-readable display, new LTE/GSM-hw,
Qi-receiver, ..


Happy new year for all "Moko"'er's

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Re: [Tinkerphones] latest Openmoko/GTA04 tinkering: wireless charger

[Boudewijn]

On zaterdag 31 december 2016 17:30:57 CET H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> I spent some time to develop a Qi charger for the GTA01/02/04 devices
> and here its is:
> 
>   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsSdDYHx7d4
Thank you for making the video, it is always nice to see the lights blink :-) 

> Enjoy and happy new year,

Happy new year everyone!

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Re: New Calypso modems

[Boudewijn]

On Wednesday, October 19, 2016 12:25:33 PM CEST Dominic Walden wrote:
> > On October 17, 2016 at 6:54 PM Mychaela Falconia
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > https://www.gofundme.com/fcdev3b-board-production-2umevjw
> 
> Will the modem firmware be usable from a legal perspective?

I think it is imperative to mention the jurisdiction for which your question 
should be answered. 

* Has your location already joined and enjoyed the revolution? Then you have 
your own jurisdiction and you can decide for yourself;
* Are you still suffering under the yoke of totalitarian regimes like the rest 
of us, then you might be out of luck. Then again, no one should notice as long 
as the modem doesn't misbehave. 

Usability from a network perspective might be better than those of 3G modems, 
according to the first result[1] I found when searching in that direction.

Good luck with the effort for those involved!

Best regards,

Boudewijn

[1] 
https://www.ovum.com/press_releases/ovum-says-2g3g-networks-wont-close-en-masse-until-2020/

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Re: New Calypso modems

[Dominic Walden]

> On October 17, 2016 at 6:54 PM Mychaela Falconia 
>  wrote:
> 
> https://www.gofundme.com/fcdev3b-board-production-2umevjw

Will the modem firmware be usable from a legal perspective?

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Re: SHR source code

[Michael T. Dean]

On 07/27/2016 12:43 AM, karimi wrote:

Hi
I'm looking for SHR source code. Where can i find it?

Thanks


It seems:

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR has
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR#More_Information which lists
http://trac.shr-project.org/ and
http://git.shr-project.org/

Mike

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Re: WikiReader

[David Feugey]

That's a first step. Thanks!

My aim is to provide a backup of all these files:
https://thepiratebay.cr/search/wikireader/0/7//
But I need someone who have them...

I can set up an temp SSH account to upload them on my server.
(else, box or google drive should be ok)

Second step would be to provide new files, but it'll take more time.
Bye, David


2016-07-26 19:50 GMT+02:00 Torfinn Ingolfsen :

> On 07/25/2016 12:56, David Feugey wrote:
> > Hi all.
> >
> > I'll like to get a copy of the latest files needed to use the WikiReader.
> > There are torrent files, but they are all inactive...
>
> I'm not sure which files you are looking for.
> I have base-20121207.7z, it can be downloaded from the link in [1].
>
> HTH
>
> References:
> 1) https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2Sc5Qa5d_tLdHIyRW51aDRVMm8
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Re: WikiReader

[Torfinn Ingolfsen]

On 07/25/2016 12:56, David Feugey wrote:
> Hi all.
> 
> I'll like to get a copy of the latest files needed to use the WikiReader.
> There are torrent files, but they are all inactive...

I'm not sure which files you are looking for.
I have base-20121207.7z, it can be downloaded from the link in [1].

HTH

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RE: Welcome to the Tinkerphones community

[Neil Jerram]

Agreed - I think the new name is exactly right.

Neil


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From: community [mailto:community-boun...@lists.openmoko.org] On Behalf Of
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Sent: 01 July 2016 08:12
To: community@lists.openmoko.org; OpenPhoenux Community
<commun...@openphoenux.org>
Subject: Re: Welcome to the Tinkerphones community

Congrats!

This was overdue and the new name is absolutely to the point and has quite
some appeal. The definition of what is / is not a tinkerphone is very
helpful and should go to the frontpage at http://www.tinkerphones.org

I like it very much.

What about icons etc, generally the complete "corporate identity"? Has it
been discussed what will change (beyond the obviously pending overhaul of
http://www.tinkerphones.org artwork/design), and are there already tasks
assigned to experts? Maybe even new logos etc established and available?

Many thanks, Nikolaus - and whoever else been involved! :-) cheers jOERG

On Fri 01 July 2016 08:29:39 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> Hi,
> after several years of running the OpenPhoenux community, we thought 
> that it is time to refresh it a little and replace the awkward name 
> "OpenPhoenux" (it was always difficult to spell and pronounce) with 
> something new, self-explaining, that your mom understands.
> 
> "OpenPhoneux" was originally coined in ca. 2009 as the name of an 
> initiative, when it became clear that the Openmoko company would stop 
> to develop a successor of the Openmoko Freerunner. It finally brought 
> the GTA04 device to life.
> 
> Back then, this was a motivating allusion to the situation of building 
> something new on the remains of Openmoko, but nowadays probably only 
> some core members of our community are able to understand this 
> background.
> 
> Therefore we discussed in a small circle what the core of Openmoko and 
> Openphoenux is.
> 
> It was easy to find what it is not:
> * it is not a 100% fair phone (we don't have the resources to track
>   components - it is enough challenge to have it working and being 
> produced)
> * it is not a 100% open phone (we have not found a feasible solution 
> for WLAN and GPU)
> * it is not a 100% secure phone (we can't do security audits of every
>   component)
> * it is not a cutting edge phone (we do not get the latest and greatest
>   chips as mainstream manufacturers do)
> * it is not a geeks (only) phone (we want everybody to be able to use
>   it)
> 
> But then we found what the common denominator of all Openmoko 
> activities was and is:
> 
> It is a device that allows you to tinker with it, i.e. find out how it 
> works, to replace software and even hardware components for smaller or 
> bigger improvements and even repairs. It is designed in a way to 
> enable such changes instead of stopping you (e.g. by protected boot 
> loaders, undocumented code etc.).
> 
> All this is facilitated by being open (as far as NDAs and other 
> limitations
> allow) and using open source technology (e.g. GNU/Linux, Debian).
> 
> Here is a definition of what "tinkering" is [1]:
> 
>   "tinker or tinker around to make small changes to something in order

> to improve or repair it" "tinker with: He spends hours tinkering 
> around with car engines."
> 
> So we are now happy to tell the world that we are members of "the 
> Tinkerphone community" :)
> 
> There is a new web domain representing this change:
> 
>   <http://www.tinkerphones.org>
> 
> I hope you will agree with us and stay here, contribute and share your 
> ideas and achievements. And invite new tinkerers to participate.
> 
> Happy tinkering,
> Nikolaus
> 
> PS: it will need your help to update the documentation pages...
> 
> [1]: <http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/tinker_1>
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Re: [Tinkerphones] Welcome to the Tinkerphones community

[H. Nikolaus Schaller]

> Am 01.07.2016 um 09:12 schrieb joerg Reisenweber :
> 
> Congrats!
> 
> This was overdue and the new name is absolutely to the point and has quite 
> some appeal. The definition of what is / is not a tinkerphone is very helpful 
> and should go to the frontpage at http://www.tinkerphones.org
> 
> I like it very much.

That is nice to hear :)

> 
> What about icons etc, generally the complete "corporate identity"? Has it 
> been 
> discussed what will change (beyond the obviously pending overhaul of 
> http://www.tinkerphones.org artwork/design), and are there already tasks 
> assigned to experts? Maybe even new logos etc established and available?

No, nothing. Just the the domain registration and minor changes to the mailing
list and home page.

So there is plenty of room for volunteers to make proposals and many topics for
our community to discuss.

> 
> Many thanks, Nikolaus - and whoever else been involved! :-)
> cheers
> jOERG

> 
> On Fri 01 July 2016 08:29:39 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
>> Hi,
>> after several years of running the OpenPhoenux community, we
>> thought that it is time to refresh it a little and replace the awkward
>> name "OpenPhoenux" (it was always difficult to spell and pronounce)
>> with something new, self-explaining, that your mom understands.
>> 
>> "OpenPhoneux" was originally coined in ca. 2009 as the name of an
>> initiative, when it became clear that the Openmoko company would stop
>> to develop a successor of the Openmoko Freerunner. It finally brought
>> the GTA04 device to life.
>> 
>> Back then, this was a motivating allusion to the situation of building
>> something new on the remains of Openmoko, but nowadays probably
>> only some core members of our community are able to understand
>> this background.
>> 
>> Therefore we discussed in a small circle what the core of Openmoko
>> and Openphoenux is.
>> 
>> It was easy to find what it is not:
>> * it is not a 100% fair phone (we don't have the resources to track
>>  components - it is enough challenge to have it working and being produced)
>> * it is not a 100% open phone (we have not found a feasible solution for
>> WLAN and GPU)
>> * it is not a 100% secure phone (we can't do security audits of every
>>  component)
>> * it is not a cutting edge phone (we do not get the latest and greatest
>>  chips as mainstream manufacturers do)
>> * it is not a geeks (only) phone (we want everybody to be able to use
>>  it)
>> 
>> But then we found what the common denominator of all Openmoko
>> activities was and is:
>> 
>> It is a device that allows you to tinker with it, i.e. find out how it
>> works, to replace software and even hardware components for smaller or
>> bigger improvements and even repairs. It is designed in a way to enable
>> such changes instead of stopping you (e.g. by protected boot loaders,
>> undocumented code etc.).
>> 
>> All this is facilitated by being open (as far as NDAs and other limitations
>> allow) and using open source technology (e.g. GNU/Linux, Debian).
>> 
>> Here is a definition of what "tinkering" is [1]:
>> 
>>  "tinker or tinker around to make small changes to something in order to
>> improve or repair it" "tinker with: He spends hours tinkering around with
>> car engines."
>> 
>> So we are now happy to tell the world that we are members of
>> "the Tinkerphone community" :)
>> 
>> There is a new web domain representing this change:
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I hope you will agree with us and stay here, contribute and share
>> your ideas and achievements. And invite new tinkerers to participate.
>> 
>> Happy tinkering,
>> Nikolaus
>> 
>> PS: it will need your help to update the documentation pages...
>> 
>> [1]: 
>> 
>> 

BR,
Nikolaus


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Re: Welcome to the Tinkerphones community

[joerg Reisenweber]

Congrats!

This was overdue and the new name is absolutely to the point and has quite 
some appeal. The definition of what is / is not a tinkerphone is very helpful 
and should go to the frontpage at http://www.tinkerphones.org

I like it very much.

What about icons etc, generally the complete "corporate identity"? Has it been 
discussed what will change (beyond the obviously pending overhaul of 
http://www.tinkerphones.org artwork/design), and are there already tasks 
assigned to experts? Maybe even new logos etc established and available?

Many thanks, Nikolaus - and whoever else been involved! :-)
cheers
jOERG

On Fri 01 July 2016 08:29:39 H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
> Hi,
> after several years of running the OpenPhoenux community, we
> thought that it is time to refresh it a little and replace the awkward
> name "OpenPhoenux" (it was always difficult to spell and pronounce)
> with something new, self-explaining, that your mom understands.
> 
> "OpenPhoneux" was originally coined in ca. 2009 as the name of an
> initiative, when it became clear that the Openmoko company would stop
> to develop a successor of the Openmoko Freerunner. It finally brought
> the GTA04 device to life.
> 
> Back then, this was a motivating allusion to the situation of building
> something new on the remains of Openmoko, but nowadays probably
> only some core members of our community are able to understand
> this background.
> 
> Therefore we discussed in a small circle what the core of Openmoko
> and Openphoenux is.
> 
> It was easy to find what it is not:
> * it is not a 100% fair phone (we don't have the resources to track
>   components - it is enough challenge to have it working and being produced)
> * it is not a 100% open phone (we have not found a feasible solution for
> WLAN and GPU)
> * it is not a 100% secure phone (we can't do security audits of every
>   component)
> * it is not a cutting edge phone (we do not get the latest and greatest
>   chips as mainstream manufacturers do)
> * it is not a geeks (only) phone (we want everybody to be able to use
>   it)
> 
> But then we found what the common denominator of all Openmoko
> activities was and is:
> 
> It is a device that allows you to tinker with it, i.e. find out how it
> works, to replace software and even hardware components for smaller or
> bigger improvements and even repairs. It is designed in a way to enable
> such changes instead of stopping you (e.g. by protected boot loaders,
> undocumented code etc.).
> 
> All this is facilitated by being open (as far as NDAs and other limitations
> allow) and using open source technology (e.g. GNU/Linux, Debian).
> 
> Here is a definition of what "tinkering" is [1]:
> 
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> car engines."
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> "the Tinkerphone community" :)
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> There is a new web domain representing this change:
> 
>   
> 
> I hope you will agree with us and stay here, contribute and share
> your ideas and achievements. And invite new tinkerers to participate.
> 
> Happy tinkering,
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Re: Gta04 on wikipedia

[Niels Heyvaert]

Also added Android-on-Freerunner in the process.

Niels


On 01/31/2016 01:07 PM, Christ van Willegen wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Ed Kapitein  wrote:
>> Wikipedia [1] has the gta04 marked as cancelled, perhaps someone can bring
>> that page up to date?
>>
>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_mobile_phones
> Better this way?
>
> Christ van Willegen
Much better!
 
 
 
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On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Ed Kapitein  wrote:
> Wikipedia [1] has the gta04 marked as cancelled, perhaps someone can bring
> that page up to date?
>
> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_mobile_phones

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Re: Gta04 on wikipedia

[Ed Kapitein]

On 01/31/2016 01:07 PM, Christ van Willegen wrote:

On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Ed Kapitein  wrote:

Wikipedia [1] has the gta04 marked as cancelled, perhaps someone can bring
that page up to date?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_open-source_mobile_phones

Better this way?

Christ van Willegen

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Re: [Gta04-owner] FOSDEM2016

[Boudewijn]

On 01/27/2016 03:25 PM, Christ van Willegen wrote:

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 10:27 PM, Boudewijn  wrote:

If you don't have plans for dinner yet: Saturday I intend to eat at Chez
Fleur [0], at walking distance from the university. Earlier we had dinner
there with people from Openpandora/Pyra, OpenPhoenux and Limesco and I
enjoyed the food (and the company)

Should we make a reservation? :-)


Yes, please do!


There's a reservation at 19.00 at Chez Fleur (mostly Dutch at the 
moment). In case anyone hops by: they don't accept plastic money, so 
come prepared (take friends with cash along :-) ).


Best regards,

Boudewijn





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Re: [Gta04-owner] FOSDEM2016

[Christ van Willegen]

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 10:27 PM, Boudewijn  wrote:
> (...merging threads, sorry in case I derail your mail client or offend
> anyone ...)
>
> On 01/25/2016 10:07 AM, Christ van Willegen wrote:
>> Can I suggest http://osm.org/go/0EoSsi6po?m==319762946 on
>> Saturday at 11:00, just after the first keynote? That's where the
>> Goldelico stand was 2 years previously, I think...
>>
> As Nikolaus observed: no one is taking up the glove this year. We'll have to
> find our own meeting spot.

We can still meet there :-)

> If you don't have plans for dinner yet: Saturday I intend to eat at Chez
> Fleur [0], at walking distance from the university. Earlier we had dinner
> there with people from Openpandora/Pyra, OpenPhoenux and Limesco and I
> enjoyed the food (and the company)
>
> Should we make a reservation? :-)

Yes, please do!

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Re: gta02 as gps/navigator (in 2016)

[Radek Polak]

On Tuesday 26 of January 2016 16:28:54 joerg Reisenweber wrote:

> What's the problem with the GPS? Could a spare antenna module incl 
cable
> help you out?
> Just holler if you need one

I don't know exactly - it's long time since i tried. I remember Pavel was 
having similar problem - probably weak signal since he said his GPS got fix 
when he was near some GPS amplifier.

Anyways i use N900 nowadays - works nearly perfectly and i love that it has 
decent camera.  Btw a little off topic. Can be N900 kernel compiled using 
armhf toolchain? So that i can chroot into armhf chroot. I am mainly 
interested if i could get faster web browser and IIRC QtMoko had much 
better performance when switched from armel->armhf.

Regards

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Re: gta02 as gps/navigator (in 2016)

[Davide Scaini]

Thanks for the replies.
Well it would be nice to use gsm as well... I was thinking about using it
also as anti-theft (gps+accel+sms).

I remember having a lot of problems of data corruption on the sd card with
shr (which was my favourite at the time), that I think might be a serious
show-stopper.

I will start with debian, and if you have any other ideas please tell.

Best,
d

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 11:13 PM, Giacomo Mariani <giacomomari...@yahoo.it>
wrote:

> Some years ago I tried Debian and I think it would be the best environment
> if you don't want to use the gsm. Qtmoko runs over Debian as well.
>
> By the way I am going to resume my freerunner as well: I'd like to use it
> as a car navigator with navit. So please let us know how it goes 
>
> Cheers,
>   Giacomo
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> Inviato: ‎25/‎01/‎2016 21:34
> A: List for Openmoko community discussion <community@lists.openmoko.org>
> Oggetto: Re: gta02 as gps/navigator (in 2016)
>
> hi
>
> >
> >I would like to reuse the gta02 as a gps, I really loved foxtrotGPS and I
> >would like to have something like that running.
> >Any chance to have a distribution that still works on gta02?
>
> >
> >qtmoko: still there? (even if I remember it was quite uncomfortable
> running
>
> http://qtmoko.sourceforge.net/
>
> still there, but i think it's fair to say it's abandoned. The last
> versions were as good as it got on the freerunner IMO, but the main (pretty
> much single) developer got fed up with not having a decent kernel even
> after x years.
>
> >shr: abandoned ?
>
> the later versions were hopelessly broken and unusable on the freerunner.
>
> >hackable1: disappeared (I have good memories of that one ;) )
> >
> yeah probably; anyway I'd definitely recommend qtmoko as the best bet
>
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Re: gta02 as gps/navigator (in 2016)

[Radek Polak]

On Monday 25 of January 2016 20:30:40 m...@dmatthews.org wrote:

> >qtmoko: still there? (even if I remember it was quite uncomfortable 
running
> 
> http://qtmoko.sourceforge.net/
> 
> still there, but i think it's fair to say it's abandoned. The last versions
> were as good as it got on the freerunner IMO, but the main (pretty much
> single) developer got fed up with not having a decent kernel even after x
> years.

The 2.6.39 kernel is nearly perfect. It has some kind of very rare suspend 
resume bug, but for navigation it's not problem.

QtMoko has NeronGPS - native Qt and very nice app and also native 
version of navit:

http://qtmoko.sourceforge.net/apps/qtmoko-navit.html

You can launch TangoGPS and other X apps via QX application.

My Freerunner has no longer working GPS, so i am not using it nowadays at 
all.

Regards

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Re: gta02 as gps/navigator (in 2016)

[Davide Scaini]

googling I didn't find anything relevant/up-to-date about installing linux
on a satnav ... :(
it would be easier to buy a cheap android tablet and use it as a satnav
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Re: gta02 as gps/navigator (in 2016)

[Davide Scaini]

Thanks Radek for the info and your incredible, and not enough recognised,
effort with qtmoko!
I will try qtmoko as a first option ;)

d

On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 9:18 AM, Radek Polak  wrote:

> On Monday 25 of January 2016 20:30:40 m...@dmatthews.org wrote:
>
>
>
> > >qtmoko: still there? (even if I remember it was quite uncomfortable
> running
>
> >
>
> > http://qtmoko.sourceforge.net/
>
> >
>
> > still there, but i think it's fair to say it's abandoned. The last
> versions
>
> > were as good as it got on the freerunner IMO, but the main (pretty much
>
> > single) developer got fed up with not having a decent kernel even after x
>
> > years.
>
>
>
> The 2.6.39 kernel is nearly perfect. It has some kind of very rare suspend
> resume bug, but for navigation it's not problem.
>
>
>
> QtMoko has NeronGPS - native Qt and very nice app and also native version
> of navit:
>
>
>
> http://qtmoko.sourceforge.net/apps/qtmoko-navit.html
>
>
>
> You can launch TangoGPS and other X apps via QX application.
>
>
>
> My Freerunner has no longer working GPS, so i am not using it nowadays at
> all.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Radek
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Re: gta02 as gps/navigator (in 2016)

[joerg Reisenweber]

On Tue 26 January 2016 09:18:57 Radek Polak wrote:
> My Freerunner has no longer working GPS, so i am not using it nowadays at 
> all.

What's the problem with the GPS? Could a spare antenna module incl cable help 
you out?
Just holler if you need one

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Re: gta02 as gps/navigator (in 2016)

[Davide Scaini]

Another option would be buying something like the DragonBoard 410c​ and
find a small touch screen to plug. Any idea about a
cheap+decent+small+waterproof touchscreen?

Thanks again
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Re: gta02 as gps/navigator (in 2016)

[Nick]

Quoth Davide Scaini:
> Another option would be buying something like the DragonBoard 410c​ and
> find a small touch screen to plug. Any idea about a
> cheap+decent+small+waterproof touchscreen?

Or get a mainstream satnav and put exclusively free software on it.  
That would probably be the cheapest option. Are there projects to do 
this?  I presume they all run Linux anyway, but maybe not enough 
people are interested.

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Re: R: gta02 as gps/navigator (in 2016)

[Jose Luis Perez Diez]

El Dilluns 25 Gener 2016, a les 23:13:00, Giacomo Mariani va escriure:
> >shr: abandoned ?
> 
> the later versions were hopelessly broken and unusable on the freerunner.

I think that SHR is the only active,  but I haven’t time to test it  lately  
and from  http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/StagingTests it seems that other 
people had 
the same problems, But it has god documentation on how to build it and is the 
one that has more targets


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Re: gta02 as gps/navigator (in 2016)

[mail]

hi

>
>I would like to reuse the gta02 as a gps, I really loved foxtrotGPS and I
>would like to have something like that running.
>Any chance to have a distribution that still works on gta02?

>
>qtmoko: still there? (even if I remember it was quite uncomfortable running

http://qtmoko.sourceforge.net/

still there, but i think it's fair to say it's abandoned. The last versions 
were as good as it got on the freerunner IMO, but the main (pretty much single) 
developer got fed up with not having a decent kernel even after x years.

>shr: abandoned ?

the later versions were hopelessly broken and unusable on the freerunner.

>hackable1: disappeared (I have good memories of that one ;) )
>
yeah probably; anyway I'd definitely recommend qtmoko as the best bet

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Re: [Gta04-owner] FOSDEM2016

[Boudewijn]

On 01/25/2016 10:22 AM, H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:


Am 25.01.2016 um 10:15 schrieb Christoph Mair 
> Do any of you intend to visit Brussels for FOSDEM, next weekend?

I can't make it this year, sorry. Wish you a great weekend!

Best regards,
  Christoph


Same for me. So there will be no OpenPhoenux stand.

Have an interesting weekend (be it with or without free beer but free
software :),

Thanks :-)

Had I been organized a bit earlier I'd mailed Michael to ask if I could 
share his stand, but as it is I only have my GTA04 and GTA02 and most 
visitors already have played with them I think :-)


Best regards,

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Re: [Gta04-owner] FOSDEM2016

[Boudewijn]

(...merging threads, sorry in case I derail your mail client or offend 
anyone ...)


On 01/25/2016 09:22 AM, Perez Diez, Jose Luis wrote:
> El Diumenge 24 Gener 2016, a les 22:43:33, Boudewijn va escriure:
>> Do any of you intend to visit Brussels for FOSDEM, next weekend?
>
> I'll be there but I will stay mainly on the Perl trak

On 01/25/2016 10:07 AM, Christ van Willegen wrote:


Yes, I do.

I'm arriving on Friday night and will be there Saturday and Sunday
morning (too bad for Neil!).

So, yes, I'd like to meet up!

Can I suggest http://osm.org/go/0EoSsi6po?m==319762946 on
Saturday at 11:00, just after the first keynote? That's where the
Goldelico stand was 2 years previously, I think...

As Nikolaus observed: no one is taking up the glove this year. We'll 
have to find our own meeting spot.


If you don't have plans for dinner yet: Saturday I intend to eat at Chez 
Fleur [0], at walking distance from the university. Earlier we had 
dinner there with people from Openpandora/Pyra, OpenPhoenux and Limesco 
and I enjoyed the food (and the company)


Should we make a reservation? :-)

On 01/25/2016 09:26 AM, n...@ossau.homelinux.net wrote:
> I will be there on Sunday afternoon. Focussed in the SDN/NFV DevRoom,
> but would love to meet up.
Will you have lunch or dinner in that area or is it really a short visit?


Best regards,

Boudewijn

[0] http://www.chezfleur.be/

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Re: FOSDEM2016

[neil]

I will be there on Sunday afternoon. Focussed in the SDN/NFV DevRoom, but would 
love to meet up. 

    Neil 


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Hi lists,

Do any of you intend to visit Brussels for FOSDEM, next weekend?

I have been terribly inactive, with hardly enough time to lurk the 
mailinglist, let alone participate in anything. This year I can make it 
to FOSDEM, it would be nice to meet if there's a chance to.

Best regards,

Boudewijn

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Re: [Gta04-owner] FOSDEM2016

[H. Nikolaus Schaller]

Am 25.01.2016 um 10:15 schrieb Christoph Mair :

> Am 24.01.2016 10:44 nachm. schrieb "Boudewijn" :
> >
> > Hi lists,
> >
> > Do any of you intend to visit Brussels for FOSDEM, next weekend?
> 
> I can't make it this year, sorry. Wish you a great weekend!
> 
> Best regards,
>   Christoph

Same for me. So there will be no OpenPhoenux stand.

Have an interesting weekend (be it with or without free beer but free software 
:),
Nikolaus


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Re: [Gta04-owner] FOSDEM2016

[Christ van Willegen]

On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 10:43 PM, Boudewijn  wrote:
> Do any of you intend to visit Brussels for FOSDEM, next weekend?

Yes, I do.

> I have been terribly inactive, with hardly enough time to lurk the
> mailinglist, let alone participate in anything. This year I can make it to
> FOSDEM, it would be nice to meet if there's a chance to.

I'm arriving on Friday night and will be there Saturday and Sunday
morning (too bad for Neil!).

So, yes, I'd like to meet up!

Can I suggest http://osm.org/go/0EoSsi6po?m==319762946 on
Saturday at 11:00, just after the first keynote? That's where the
Goldelico stand was 2 years previously, I think...

See you there!

Christ van Willegen

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Re: CMOS battery replacement

[Andrew Schenck]

On 12/19/2015 9:27 AM, H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:

Hi,

Am 12.12.2015 um 03:06 schrieb Benjamin Deering <ben_deer...@jeepingben.net>:


On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 15:38:54 -0800
Andrew Schenck <and...@springahead.com> wrote:


That's a lot more work than I had hoped.  Thanks very much for the
info though.  If I'm going to be soldering I might as well try to fix
the USB port and GPS port at the same time.

-Andrew

On 12/11/2015 1:30 PM, Benjamin Deering wrote:

The backup battery (supercap?) is welded to its bracket and
won't push out.

I replaced the backup batteries in my GTA02s with supercaps several
years ago.
http://www.jeepingben.net/zen/zenphoto/index.php?album=2010/freerunner_supercap_install

The parts I used didn't match the original footprint so it was a
little work.  If you get the exact replacement part, it would be
easy if you have soldering experience.

I vaguely remember a software problem causing the line that charges
the backup bat/cap not being set high.

Good luck,

Ben

On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 12:26:54 -0800
Andrew Schenck <and...@springahead.com> wrote:


The secondhand GTA04 I have now is pretty beat up and can't charge
because the USB port is disconnected.  I've been using a spare
GTA02 as a charger, but every time I switch out batteries the
clock resets to 12/12/1999 16:00 and it's a pain to re-set it
since network time doesn't work.  I couldn't find any information
on the wiki about replacing the CMOS battery to solve this
problem; has anyone here dealt with this same problem before and
have recommendations?

The GTA04 already has a supercap in battery shape. They came to the market
in ~2011.

Since there is nothing to replace (a supercap rarely fails), it is most likely
a software issue that the charging current provided by the tpw65950 is not
enabled.
That's good to know.  I had foolishly assumed that the GTA04 used the 
same solution as the GTA02.


So which OS are you using? In most systems I know, the RTC
"resets" to 1st Jan 2000.
I'm using Radek's last QtMoko, v56  for GTA04, kernel 
3.7.0-gta04-qtmoko-v56.  The RTC *does* reset to 1 Jan 2000 0:00 but I'm 
at UTC -8:00 so it becomes Dec 31, 1999 16:00.   If I could trigger the 
tpw65950 manually via console every once in a while that would be fine 
enough.


Thanks,
-Andrew



I was successful in fixing the USB port, but never tried the GPS port.
The GPS port is under a lot of stress when the board is installed.

Should not be the case. You should move the USB+GPS socket as flat as
possible into or out from  the case. Then push out the case at the position
of the headset connector so that the latter snaps down a little in its hole.

This avoids breaking off connectors.

See also photos in chapter 4 (especially page 18) of the GTA04 system
manual:

http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/downloads/47/


I ended up giving up on the traces and soldering thin wires to the ESD
protection chip and to the leads on the jack.

That is fine and indeed sometimes needed if a socket was broken off.


After getting the USB port connected electrically, I used JB weld epoxy
to fix it mechanically.  The repair lasted years including some pretty
rough use and being reflow soldered.
Good luck,

Ben


I disassembled a GTA02 enough to see the battery, but it didn't
yield to gentle pressure trying to slide out of its bracket and I
don't want to destroy things too badly in my attempt to fix them
so I didn't push too hard.  Because of this, I don't even know the
exact type of button cell to buy to replace it.  Any help would be
appreciated.

The GTA04 original part is a PAS414HR-VG1.

BTW: it should also work in the GTA02 (which has a real 3.3V LiIon cell
in 414 package).


Thanks,
-Andrew

BR and also good luck,
Nikolaus



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Re: CMOS battery replacement

[H. Nikolaus Schaller]

Hi,

Am 12.12.2015 um 03:06 schrieb Benjamin Deering <ben_deer...@jeepingben.net>:

> On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 15:38:54 -0800
> Andrew Schenck <and...@springahead.com> wrote:
> 
>> That's a lot more work than I had hoped.  Thanks very much for the
>> info though.  If I'm going to be soldering I might as well try to fix
>> the USB port and GPS port at the same time.
>> 
>> -Andrew
>> 
>> On 12/11/2015 1:30 PM, Benjamin Deering wrote:
>>> The backup battery (supercap?) is welded to its bracket and
>>> won't push out.
>>> 
>>> I replaced the backup batteries in my GTA02s with supercaps several
>>> years ago.
>>> http://www.jeepingben.net/zen/zenphoto/index.php?album=2010/freerunner_supercap_install
>>> 
>>> The parts I used didn't match the original footprint so it was a
>>> little work.  If you get the exact replacement part, it would be
>>> easy if you have soldering experience.
>>> 
>>> I vaguely remember a software problem causing the line that charges
>>> the backup bat/cap not being set high.
>>> 
>>> Good luck,
>>> 
>>> Ben
>>> 
>>> On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 12:26:54 -0800
>>> Andrew Schenck <and...@springahead.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> The secondhand GTA04 I have now is pretty beat up and can't charge
>>>> because the USB port is disconnected.  I've been using a spare
>>>> GTA02 as a charger, but every time I switch out batteries the
>>>> clock resets to 12/12/1999 16:00 and it's a pain to re-set it
>>>> since network time doesn't work.  I couldn't find any information
>>>> on the wiki about replacing the CMOS battery to solve this
>>>> problem; has anyone here dealt with this same problem before and
>>>> have recommendations?

The GTA04 already has a supercap in battery shape. They came to the market
in ~2011.

Since there is nothing to replace (a supercap rarely fails), it is most likely
a software issue that the charging current provided by the tpw65950 is not
enabled.

So which OS are you using? In most systems I know, the RTC
"resets" to 1st Jan 2000.

> I was successful in fixing the USB port, but never tried the GPS port.
> The GPS port is under a lot of stress when the board is installed.

Should not be the case. You should move the USB+GPS socket as flat as
possible into or out from  the case. Then push out the case at the position
of the headset connector so that the latter snaps down a little in its hole.

This avoids breaking off connectors.

See also photos in chapter 4 (especially page 18) of the GTA04 system
manual:

http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/downloads/47/

> 
> I ended up giving up on the traces and soldering thin wires to the ESD
> protection chip and to the leads on the jack.

That is fine and indeed sometimes needed if a socket was broken off.

> 
> After getting the USB port connected electrically, I used JB weld epoxy
> to fix it mechanically.  The repair lasted years including some pretty
> rough use and being reflow soldered.

> 
> Good luck,
> 
> Ben
> 
>>>> 
>>>> I disassembled a GTA02 enough to see the battery, but it didn't
>>>> yield to gentle pressure trying to slide out of its bracket and I
>>>> don't want to destroy things too badly in my attempt to fix them
>>>> so I didn't push too hard.  Because of this, I don't even know the
>>>> exact type of button cell to buy to replace it.  Any help would be
>>>> appreciated.

The GTA04 original part is a PAS414HR-VG1.

BTW: it should also work in the GTA02 (which has a real 3.3V LiIon cell
in 414 package).

>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> -Andrew

BR and also good luck,
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Re: CMOS battery replacement

[Benjamin Deering]

The backup battery (supercap?) is welded to its bracket and
won't push out.

I replaced the backup batteries in my GTA02s with supercaps several
years ago.
http://www.jeepingben.net/zen/zenphoto/index.php?album=2010/freerunner_supercap_install

The parts I used didn't match the original footprint so it was a little
work.  If you get the exact replacement part, it would be easy if you
have soldering experience.

I vaguely remember a software problem causing the line that charges the
backup bat/cap not being set high.

Good luck,

Ben

On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 12:26:54 -0800
Andrew Schenck <and...@springahead.com> wrote:

> The secondhand GTA04 I have now is pretty beat up and can't charge 
> because the USB port is disconnected.  I've been using a spare GTA02
> as a charger, but every time I switch out batteries the clock resets
> to 12/12/1999 16:00 and it's a pain to re-set it since network time
> doesn't work.  I couldn't find any information on the wiki about
> replacing the CMOS battery to solve this problem; has anyone here
> dealt with this same problem before and have recommendations?
> 
> I disassembled a GTA02 enough to see the battery, but it didn't yield
> to gentle pressure trying to slide out of its bracket and I don't
> want to destroy things too badly in my attempt to fix them so I
> didn't push too hard.  Because of this, I don't even know the exact
> type of button cell to buy to replace it.  Any help would be
> appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> -Andrew
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Re: CMOS battery replacement

[Andrew Schenck]

That's a lot more work than I had hoped.  Thanks very much for the info 
though.  If I'm going to be soldering I might as well try to fix the USB 
port and GPS port at the same time.


-Andrew

On 12/11/2015 1:30 PM, Benjamin Deering wrote:

The backup battery (supercap?) is welded to its bracket and
won't push out.

I replaced the backup batteries in my GTA02s with supercaps several
years ago.
http://www.jeepingben.net/zen/zenphoto/index.php?album=2010/freerunner_supercap_install

The parts I used didn't match the original footprint so it was a little
work.  If you get the exact replacement part, it would be easy if you
have soldering experience.

I vaguely remember a software problem causing the line that charges the
backup bat/cap not being set high.

Good luck,

Ben

On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 12:26:54 -0800
Andrew Schenck <and...@springahead.com> wrote:


The secondhand GTA04 I have now is pretty beat up and can't charge
because the USB port is disconnected.  I've been using a spare GTA02
as a charger, but every time I switch out batteries the clock resets
to 12/12/1999 16:00 and it's a pain to re-set it since network time
doesn't work.  I couldn't find any information on the wiki about
replacing the CMOS battery to solve this problem; has anyone here
dealt with this same problem before and have recommendations?

I disassembled a GTA02 enough to see the battery, but it didn't yield
to gentle pressure trying to slide out of its bracket and I don't
want to destroy things too badly in my attempt to fix them so I
didn't push too hard.  Because of this, I don't even know the exact
type of button cell to buy to replace it.  Any help would be
appreciated.

Thanks,
-Andrew

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Re: CMOS battery replacement

[Benjamin Deering]

On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 15:38:54 -0800
Andrew Schenck <and...@springahead.com> wrote:

> That's a lot more work than I had hoped.  Thanks very much for the
> info though.  If I'm going to be soldering I might as well try to fix
> the USB port and GPS port at the same time.
> 
> -Andrew
> 
> On 12/11/2015 1:30 PM, Benjamin Deering wrote:
> > The backup battery (supercap?) is welded to its bracket and
> > won't push out.
> >
> > I replaced the backup batteries in my GTA02s with supercaps several
> > years ago.
> > http://www.jeepingben.net/zen/zenphoto/index.php?album=2010/freerunner_supercap_install
> >
> > The parts I used didn't match the original footprint so it was a
> > little work.  If you get the exact replacement part, it would be
> > easy if you have soldering experience.
> >
> > I vaguely remember a software problem causing the line that charges
> > the backup bat/cap not being set high.
> >
> > Good luck,
> >
> > Ben
> >
> > On Fri, 11 Dec 2015 12:26:54 -0800
> > Andrew Schenck <and...@springahead.com> wrote:
> >  
> >> The secondhand GTA04 I have now is pretty beat up and can't charge
> >> because the USB port is disconnected.  I've been using a spare
> >> GTA02 as a charger, but every time I switch out batteries the
> >> clock resets to 12/12/1999 16:00 and it's a pain to re-set it
> >> since network time doesn't work.  I couldn't find any information
> >> on the wiki about replacing the CMOS battery to solve this
> >> problem; has anyone here dealt with this same problem before and
> >> have recommendations?
I was successful in fixing the USB port, but never tried the GPS port.
The GPS port is under a lot of stress when the board is installed.

I ended up giving up on the traces and soldering thin wires to the ESD
protection chip and to the leads on the jack.

After getting the USB port connected electrically, I used JB weld epoxy
to fix it mechanically.  The repair lasted years including some pretty
rough use and being reflow soldered.

Good luck,

Ben

> >>
> >> I disassembled a GTA02 enough to see the battery, but it didn't
> >> yield to gentle pressure trying to slide out of its bracket and I
> >> don't want to destroy things too badly in my attempt to fix them
> >> so I didn't push too hard.  Because of this, I don't even know the
> >> exact type of button cell to buy to replace it.  Any help would be
> >> appreciated.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> -Andrew
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Re: greetings from the freecalypso project

[Nick]

Quoth m...@dmatthews.org:
> Please excuse touch of plug and slight bit of off-topic-ness, but just to let 
> anyone here with interest in free (as in source code available) baseband 
> firmware, that the freecalypso project is making strides.

Congratulations folks. I haven't had the time or energy to 
participate in the project at all, but I'm really glad you're making 
such good strides.

Keep it up! :)

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Re: greetings from the freecalypso project

[Paul Wise]

On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Spacefalcon the Outlaw wrote:

> If you have voluntarily chosen to obey a law that deems the abandonware
> in question to be proprietary rather than public domain, it is YOUR
> problem and not ours.

You are reminding me of this talk and cartoon by Nina Paley.

http://blog.ninapaley.com/2015/10/22/copyright-is-brain-damage/
https://vimeo.com/50481436

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Re: greetings from the freecalypso project

[Paul Wise]

On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 1:01 AM, David Matthews wrote:

> Please excuse touch of plug and slight bit of off-topic-ness, but just to let 
> anyone here with interest in free (as in source code available) baseband 
> firmware, that the freecalypso project is making strides.

Are you planning to rewrite the proprietary source code from TI/etc so
that freecalypso could be released under a Free Software license?

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Re: greetings from the freecalypso project

[Spacefalcon the Outlaw]

Paul Wise  wrote:

> Are you planning to rewrite the proprietary source code from TI/etc so
> that freecalypso could be released under a Free Software license?

Absolutely not.  The 1000 person-years that would be required for such
a task should instead be spent doing something more productive, like
searching for a cancer cure.  Anyone who spends his or her time
reimplementing perfectly good existing code merely because of license-
worshipping concerns is guilty of contributing to human suffering, and
thus a disgrace in my eyes.

If you have voluntarily chosen to obey a law that deems the abandonware
in question to be proprietary rather than public domain, it is YOUR
problem and not ours.

SF

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Re: greetings from the freecalypso project

[Mychaela Falconia]

Paul Wise  wrote:

> You are reminding me of this talk and cartoon by Nina Paley.
>
> http://blog.ninapaley.com/2015/10/22/copyright-is-brain-damage/
> https://vimeo.com/50481436

Her talk is wonderful, I agree with her 100%, she should be an
inspiration to everyone here.  Thanks for posting the links.

M~

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Re: [Gta04-owner] OpenPhoenux and GTA04 at CCCamp?

[Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller]

Hi,

Am 24.07.2015 um 18:53 schrieb Paul Kocialkowski cont...@paulk.fr:

 Next month, CCCamp will take place near Berlin, Germany.
 The event is a great occasion to highlight the GTA04 project and our
 OpenPhoenux community at large. Neo900 folks already plan on attending
 and will organize a Neo village:
 https://events.ccc.de/camp/2015/wiki/Village:Neo
 
 I will also attend to represent Replicant (and hopefully get a lightning
 talk about it, if not a self-organized session).

Good!

 In addition to
 presenting the project and the various freedom and
 privacy/security-related issues in mobile devices, I would also like to
 try and get new people to join-in.
 
 Nikolaus, do you plan on having some OpenPhoenux and GTA04
 representation at camp besides Neo900?

I didn’t know about this event until some weeks ago - and I personally
have a schedule conflict… And I am not a fan of outdoor camping either :)

 Also, my GTA04 still has a broken
 GPS connector, so I thought perhaps it would be the right time to see
 about it and get it fixed (Joerg already mentioned he would bring some
 soldering tools, too).

Yes, that would have been a good occasion. But you can also send it to me
(any time you like) and I can return it next day (sometimes same day). It
needs around 10 minutes to repair if the person knows how to do it quickly
and reliable.

 
 I would be very happy to meet members of the community there and talk
 about the future of Replicant on the OpenPhoenux projects and community!

Thanks for making us aware!

I am sure that some members of our community are going there. Maybe they
can share their plans and reply to this mail?

BR,
Nikolaus


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Re: Re: test 2

[Jose Luis Perez Diez]

El Dimarts 07 Juliol 2015, a les 11:26:57, Matteo Zaffonato va escriure:
 Got it too, it was received on Spam folder as  the first one.

Tanks for your message, I Just noticed that my messages sent on the other 
account go to the spam folder only when I send them to a mailing list.

Thanks for the confirmation

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Re: test

[Matteo Zaffonato]

Il 07/07/2015 10:47, Jose Luis Perez Diez ha scritto:

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Got it, it was received on Spam folder.

Matteo

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Re: test 2

[Matteo Zaffonato]

Il 07/07/2015 11:11, Jose Luis Perez Diez ha scritto:

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Got it too, it was received on Spam folder as  the first one.

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Re: Looking for a GTA02 debug board, preferably v3

[robin]

rwr f rwr.4f4 at gmail.com writes:

 
 Title says it all. :)
 
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I can send you one if you're living in Germany,

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Re: Looking for a GTA02 debug board, preferably v3

[Benjamin Deering]

On Fri, 29 May 2015 10:14:34 +0200
rwr f rwr@gmail.com wrote:

 Title says it all. :)

It doesn't say where you live. :)

I have one that you can have if you are in the USA.

Ben

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