Charging BL-5C in GTA02 (Was: Replacement battery for GTA01/Neo)
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 10:14:18PM +0800, Daniel.Li wrote: I bought BL-5C compatible battery month ago, and it can't be charged with GTA02. I also remove BL-5C from Nokia phone, and GTA02 still can't charge this battery. How do you know it doesn't charge the battery? IIRC, we had no charge indication of non-GTA02 batteries a month ago. We didn't even light up the charge LED while charging non-GTA02 batteries, did we? It would not be difficult to establish if your GTA02 charges your BL-5C battery or not - simply try it out! Use and charge with your GTA02 like you normally would. After a week, tell us if your GTA02 stays on when you unplug USB/charger power supply. Because even if you suspend the GTA02, a BL-5C won't last for more than 4-5 days without being charged. Or you can measure battery voltage before and after charging in the GTA02 - you will find that battery voltage increases during charging. Heck, your Nokia phone probably has some sort of charge level indicator that you could have use for before and after charge level comparisons. Or you can look at the schematics[1] page 4. The coulumb counter is not connected to the battery charger (PCF50633). Go ahead, search for R1769. You'll see it says NC which is short for not connected. Looking at the component placement drawing[1], you'll see that space was allocated for R1769 below U1701. And indeed that position on the PCB is empty (GTA02 date code 20080722): http://nospamnospam.homepage.dk/hardware/GTA02A6-R1769.png GTA02A5 pictures are here (you want the 'CS' ones): https://people.openmoko.org/tony_tu/GTA02/hardware/GTA02/A5/ So please, can we see an end to this totally unfounded misinformation about not being able to charge batteries other than GTA02 ones? [1] http://downloads.openmoko.org/developer/schematics/GTA02/ -- Rask Ingemann Lambertsen Danish law requires addresses in e-mail to be logged and stored for a year ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Replacement battery for GTA01/Neo
On 8/20/09, William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au wrote: err, which version? - I did a make update, built and upgraded yesterday (shr-u) and its not there (though the new pin dialog is - Yeah!) or is it only visible on a non-gta02 battery? BillK It's only visible when you have smart battery driver loaded and such smart battery isn't present. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Replacement battery for GTA01/Neo
Gerald A wrote: Hi, Looking at my Neo this morning, I noticed that it looked like the case wasn't put back on straight. My GTA01 Battery was always a bit bulgy from the beginning. If you feel it has become worse quickly, be afraid. :) -- MFG Tilman Baumann ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Replacement battery for GTA01/Neo
On Wed, 2009-08-19 at 00:14 +0400, Paul Fertser wrote: Gerald A geraldabli...@gmail.com writes: Looking at my Neo this morning, I noticed that it looked like the case wasn't put back on straight. I removed the back to find the battery is slightly bulging. I'm assuming this isn't a good thing. Yes, using a battery like that is discouraged. Basically for gta01 you can use BL-5C or even better (more capacity) BL-6C but currently it doesn't charge it afaik. BL-5C can't be charged with GTA02. I'll try to come up with a patch to make it work. Good. I'm trying to fix it, but I don't have much experience. Is there any references available for me to study? Please catch me on IRC if you want to be early tester/adopter. Which IRC? do u have any address for IRC channel? Also you might want to read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers HTH -- Daniel.Li lida_m...@163.com PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Replacement battery for GTA01/Neo
Which IRC? do u have any address for IRC channel? freenode, #openmoko, #openmoko-cdevel -- Adolph J. Vogel BEng(Hons) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Replacement battery for GTA01/Neo
BL-5C can't be charged with GTA02. I presume you mean GTA01, right? My GTA02 has no trouble charging my BL-5C. Stefan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Replacement battery for GTA01/Neo
On Wed, 2009-08-19 at 09:50 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: BL-5C can't be charged with GTA02. I presume you mean GTA01, right? My GTA02 has no trouble charging my BL-5C. Really? I bought BL-5C compatible battery month ago, and it can't be charged with GTA02. I also remove BL-5C from Nokia phone, and GTA02 still can't charge this battery. And previous discussion tells that GTA02 can just charge battery with Coulomb-counter. Does this bug fixed? Stefan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Daniel.Li lida_m...@163.com PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Replacement battery for GTA01/Neo
On Wednesday 19 August 2009 16:14:18 Daniel.Li wrote: I bought BL-5C compatible battery month ago, and it can't be charged with GTA02. I also remove BL-5C from Nokia phone, and GTA02 still can't charge this battery. And previous discussion tells that GTA02 can just charge battery with Coulomb-counter. Does this bug fixed? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers#So.2C_how_do_i_use_.22dumb.22_batteries_with_my_freerunner.3F It works for me and my old Nokia's BL-5C ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Replacement battery for GTA01/Neo
Daniel.Li lida_m...@163.com writes: On Wed, 2009-08-19 at 00:14 +0400, Paul Fertser wrote: Gerald A geraldabli...@gmail.com writes: Looking at my Neo this morning, I noticed that it looked like the case wasn't put back on straight. I removed the back to find the battery is slightly bulging. I'm assuming this isn't a good thing. Yes, using a battery like that is discouraged. Basically for gta01 you can use BL-5C or even better (more capacity) BL-6C but currently it doesn't charge it afaik. BL-5C can't be charged with GTA02. That's just plain wrong! GTA02 has _zero_ problems charging BL-4/5/6C. Please read the battery QA [1]. I'll try to come up with a patch to make it work. Good. I'm trying to fix it, but I don't have much experience. Is there any references available for me to study? To fix what? Do you have gta01? Please catch me on IRC if you want to be early tester/adopter. Which IRC? do u have any address for IRC channel? #openmoko at irc.freenode.net [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Replacement battery for GTA01/Neo
BL-5C can't be charged with GTA02. I presume you mean GTA01, right? My GTA02 has no trouble charging my BL-5C. Really? Yes. I bought BL-5C compatible battery month ago, and it can't be charged with GTA02. I also remove BL-5C from Nokia phone, and GTA02 still can't charge this battery. No idea, but it just works for me. Has always worked. I've been using Debian kernels for a while now, and they're still stuck at 2.6.29, so maybe some newer kernels make it fail. Of course, I don't get any charge indication, but I'm pretty sure it does charge, since I've been using this battery for almost a year now. Stefan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Replacement battery for GTA01/Neo
On 8/19/09, Daniel.Li lida_m...@163.com wrote: On Wed, 2009-08-19 at 09:50 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: BL-5C can't be charged with GTA02. I presume you mean GTA01, right? My GTA02 has no trouble charging my BL-5C. Really? I bought BL-5C compatible battery month ago, and it can't be charged with GTA02. I also remove BL-5C from Nokia phone, and GTA02 still can't charge this battery. And previous discussion tells that GTA02 can just charge battery with Coulomb-counter. Does this bug fixed? Stefan SHR even supports Nokia batteries from GUI, just enter SHR Settings - Power - Battery - Switch to dumb battery driver, and then you'll get estimated capacity and it charges without any problems. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Replacement battery for GTA01/Neo
Hi, On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 3:31 PM, RANJAN infi...@gmail.com wrote: I'm wondering if there are any approved replacement batteries, or if Openmoko sells the originals. BL-C5A (name might be jumbled up but a Nokia battery did work for me.) I'm guessing then that the resellers don't sell/stock the FIC replacements? Would a battery from a Freerunner/GTA02 work in my neo? I do know the Nokia batteries work, but I was hoping for the higher capacity Neo ones. And they look cooler. :P Thanks, Gerald. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Replacement battery for GTA01/Neo
Gerald A geraldabli...@gmail.com writes: Would a battery from a Freerunner/GTA02 work in my neo? Only with software tweaks i'm yet to try to provide a good method to perform. The same story as with BL-5C. And you won't gain much, BL-6C is 1150 and GTA02 battery is 1200, imho not worth it. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Replacement battery for GTA01/Neo
On Wed, 2009-08-19 at 18:38 +0400, Paul Fertser wrote: Daniel.Li lida_m...@163.com writes: On Wed, 2009-08-19 at 00:14 +0400, Paul Fertser wrote: Gerald A geraldabli...@gmail.com writes: Looking at my Neo this morning, I noticed that it looked like the case wasn't put back on straight. I removed the back to find the battery is slightly bulging. I'm assuming this isn't a good thing. Yes, using a battery like that is discouraged. Basically for gta01 you can use BL-5C or even better (more capacity) BL-6C but currently it doesn't charge it afaik. BL-5C can't be charged with GTA02. That's just plain wrong! GTA02 has _zero_ problems charging BL-4/5/6C. Please read the battery QA [1]. We have a discussion month ago, and found that FR (GTA02) can't charge BL-5C, see below link. http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td2908120 [1] is it mean I should use gta01_battery driver to charge BL-5C battery? I'll try to come up with a patch to make it work. Good. I'm trying to fix it, but I don't have much experience. Is there any references available for me to study? To fix what? Do you have gta01? Please catch me on IRC if you want to be early tester/adopter. Which IRC? do u have any address for IRC channel? #openmoko at irc.freenode.net [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers -- Daniel.Li lida_m...@163.com PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Replacement battery for GTA01/Neo
On Wed, 2009-08-19 at 18:38 +0400, Paul Fertser wrote: I'll try to come up with a patch to make it work. Good. I'm trying to fix it, but I don't have much experience. Is there any references available for me to study? To fix what? Do you have gta01? Sorry, I don't have gta01, I just have FR (GTA02). -- Daniel.Li lida_m...@163.com PALFocus (http://palfocus.oicp.net) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Replacement battery for GTA01/Neo
Daniel.Li lida_m...@163.com writes: BL-5C can't be charged with GTA02. That's just plain wrong! GTA02 has _zero_ problems charging BL-4/5/6C. Please read the battery QA [1]. We have a discussion month ago, and found that FR (GTA02) can't charge BL-5C, see below link. http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html#nabble-td2908120 I think work means all functions can be used (remaining battery indication, battery info display, anyway compatible with battery shipped with FR) BL-5C can't display battery info/remaining battery and charge with FR. Yes, for that kind of information you need to use gta01_battery driver. But charging dumb batteries always worked in gta02, if unsure reread Rask's reply at the link you posted: Please define CAN NOT charge. Note that you can quite easily try it out as explained above. Simply put in a battery with middle pad covered and see if it charges. When you want to check the capacity, just take out the piece of paper or plastic. etc. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Replacement battery for GTA01/Neo
err, which version? - I did a make update, built and upgraded yesterday (shr-u) and its not there (though the new pin dialog is - Yeah!) or is it only visible on a non-gta02 battery? BillK On Wed, 2009-08-19 at 17:32 +0200, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: On 8/19/09, Daniel.Li lida_m...@163.com wrote: On Wed, 2009-08-19 at 09:50 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: BL-5C can't be charged with GTA02. I presume you mean GTA01, right? My GTA02 has no trouble charging my BL-5C. Really? I bought BL-5C compatible battery month ago, and it can't be charged with GTA02. I also remove BL-5C from Nokia phone, and GTA02 still can't charge this battery. And previous discussion tells that GTA02 can just charge battery with Coulomb-counter. Does this bug fixed? Stefan SHR even supports Nokia batteries from GUI, just enter SHR Settings - Power - Battery - Switch to dumb battery driver, and then you'll get estimated capacity and it charges without any problems. -- William Kenworthy bi...@iinet.net.au Home in Perth! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Replacement battery for GTA01/Neo
Hi, Looking at my Neo this morning, I noticed that it looked like the case wasn't put back on straight. I removed the back to find the battery is slightly bulging. I'm assuming this isn't a good thing. The device was running fine, but as a precaution I powered down and pulled out the battery. I'm wondering if there are any approved replacement batteries, or if Openmoko sells the originals. From what I understand, the GTA02 (freerunner) batteries are different. Would they work? Where would I buy a GTA01/02 battery? Thanks, Gerald ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Replacement battery for GTA01/Neo
Hi I removed the back to find the battery is slightly bulging. I'm assuming this isn't a good thing. Lithium poly/ion batteries bulge so when they go bad.Never charge it or use it again .IT MAY EXPLODE.I had some bad experiences with them. The device was running fine, but as a precaution I powered down and pulled out the battery. Good. I'm wondering if there are any approved replacement batteries, or if Openmoko sells the originals. BL-C5A (name might be jumbled up but a Nokia battery did work for me.) Regards Sriranjan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Replacement battery for GTA01/Neo
BL-C5A (name might be jumbled up but a Nokia battery did work for me.) can you see how much charge is left with that? or how much longer to full charge? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Replacement battery for GTA01/Neo
Gerald A geraldabli...@gmail.com writes: Looking at my Neo this morning, I noticed that it looked like the case wasn't put back on straight. I removed the back to find the battery is slightly bulging. I'm assuming this isn't a good thing. Yes, using a battery like that is discouraged. Basically for gta01 you can use BL-5C or even better (more capacity) BL-6C but currently it doesn't charge it afaik. I'll try to come up with a patch to make it work. Please catch me on IRC if you want to be early tester/adopter. Also you might want to read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers HTH -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
