Re: LWN.net reviews android dev phone
On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:22:15 am arne anka wrote: > > "That, of course, ties in to why Google has gotten into this exercise in > > the first place. There are many features of the Android platform which > > are designed to tie the user in more closely to services provided by > > Google." > > took the guys at lwm.net obviously rather long, to see that ... To be fair to them they were reviewing the functionality of the G1 development phone, that was just a side comment in the review. For those who are interested an Australian company (Kogan) is going to be selling their own design unlocked Android 3G phone at the end of the month for AU$399. http://www.csamuel.org/2009/01/01/australian-android-phone I've pre-ordered one so I can get to hack more on my Neo without having to worry about stuffing up the phone I now rely on (plus I am finding I really do need physical keys to be happy with a phone). cheers, Chris -- Chris Samuel : http://www.csamuel.org/ : Melbourne, VIC This email may come with a PGP signature as a file. Do not panic. For more info see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenPGP signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: LWN.net reviews android dev phone
> "That, of course, ties in to why Google has gotten into this exercise in > the first place. There are many features of the Android platform which > are designed to tie the user in more closely to services provided by > Google." took the guys at lwm.net obviously rather long, to see that ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
LWN.net reviews android dev phone
...which may be of interest to people on this list. the article is part of this week's edition, which is still on paid-only general acccess, but users of this list can read the article (without registering) at http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/311715/01e7686dee76f148/ (_kudos_ to lwn for their send-a-link feature). some interesting comments about how tied-to-google the phone seems to be: "More annoying, though, is that the phone requires the creation of a Gmail account as part of its setup process. The fact that one does not have - and does not want - such an account is not relevant. So now your editor has an entry in the Gmail account database which will never be used. That, of course, ties in to why Google has gotten into this exercise in the first place. There are many features of the Android platform which are designed to tie the user in more closely to services provided by Google. [...] It is possible to use many of the features of the device without connecting back to the Google mother ship, but it's not the natural mode of operation." anyway, it's there if you're interested. -- Tom Yates - http://www.teaparty.net ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Reviews?
> > As of this moment, I have never Qtopia on my Freerunner. Lorn says > there are Qtopia images for Freerunner, but I haven't seen them. > Because, for my use, there is no reliably functioning software for the > Freerunner but there IS for the 1973, yes, as of this moment and those > conditions, I prefer the 1973 for daily use. > > IF (and that's a pretty hefty caveat) I were given a working Qtopia > image for Freerunner, my opinion would change. There's nothing wrong > with the Freerunner hardware, in fact I prefer it for the fade effect > and improved battery life. The problem is ENTIRELY that the GTK > 2007.02, ASU and FSO images (100% of the software I've seen running on > Freerunner) doesn't meet my needs of decently reliable phone calls and > media player capability for podcasts. > > The Freerunner is better hardware. Qtopia is better software. > Here should be the Qtopia images for both the Neo and Frerunner: http://www.qtopia.net/modules/mydownloads/viewcat.php?cid=6 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Reviews?
On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Andy Selby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Are you saying a neo1973 is more reliable then a freerunner? As of this moment, I have never Qtopia on my Freerunner. Lorn says there are Qtopia images for Freerunner, but I haven't seen them. Because, for my use, there is no reliably functioning software for the Freerunner but there IS for the 1973, yes, as of this moment and those conditions, I prefer the 1973 for daily use. IF (and that's a pretty hefty caveat) I were given a working Qtopia image for Freerunner, my opinion would change. There's nothing wrong with the Freerunner hardware, in fact I prefer it for the fade effect and improved battery life. The problem is ENTIRELY that the GTK 2007.02, ASU and FSO images (100% of the software I've seen running on Freerunner) doesn't meet my needs of decently reliable phone calls and media player capability for podcasts. The Freerunner is better hardware. Qtopia is better software. > Is qtopia on GTA01 more stable than on GTA02? I've never used Qtopia on the Freerunner, but if it worked as well or better, the 1973 would find itself buried under a pile of papers and beer bottles on my desk, except for testing of images. Qtopia on Freerunner would rock, until one of the other images started working and tapping the wealth that is the broader Linux community. > If so I'll put off buying a freerunner for the time being. > I use qtopia aswell and my neo1973 is my primary phone. > There's life in the old device yet. The 1973 is a nice device. The problems 1973 users might face come from what seems to be an abandonment by Openmoko Inc. There's the power controller firmware that doesn't seem to have been corrected, and the fact that the ASU developers don't seem to be developing on 1973. There are community projects, like the FSO and the SHR that will be targeting the 1973 and Freerunner both, and there's Qtopia which, for the moment, I've only see functioning on 1973 (I'd like to rectify this... seriously!) so 1973 users aren't screwed at all. > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Reviews?
2008/7/8 Kevin Dean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Speaking very honestly, I don't use my Freerunner in daily use but I > use my 1973 with Qtopia since it's pretty stable and functional. Are you saying a neo1973 is more reliable then a freerunner? Is qtopia on GTA01 more stable than on GTA02? If so I'll put off buying a freerunner for the time being. I use qtopia aswell and my neo1973 is my primary phone. There's life in the old device yet. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Reviews?
Hi All from new subscriber to the list ;-) I went ahead and started wiki page to collect links such personal pieces of opinions on how good/bad freerunner is. I think it might be useful in many respects. See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner:_Selected_Blogs_and_Articles and extend with links you might have -- Yaroslav Halchenko ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Reviews?
Yeah, I learned a hard lesson. :( Speaking very honestly, I don't use my Freerunner in daily use but I use my 1973 with Qtopia since it's pretty stable and functional. There are several ways to get involved with Openmoko development without a Freerunner, like in Qemu or Xepher or whatnot. I'm sure Openmoko would be happy to take your money in a few months just as they'd take it today. Today, the Freerunner is intended for developers not daily use, but it'll get there in one of several forms over the next few months. :) On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 7:55 PM, nickd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Looks like his server hosting the images suffered a hard-drive failure: > http://www.monochromementality.com/index.php/blog/show/This-Site-Broken-Articles-And-Learning-Python.html > > Milos Mandaric wrote: >> Have look at this one >> http://www.monochromementality.com/index.php/blog/show/Day-One-Openmoko-Freerunner-1.html >> from Kevin Dean. I am not sure why the photos are missing. >> >> >> On Mon, 2008-07-07 at 16:02 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Does anyone know if there are any good reviews floating around for the >>> FreeRunner yet? (And if not, does someone who already has theirs want >>> to write one?) I'm a college student so money's very tight and I'm >>> trying to justify purchasing one, but I want to know exactly what I'm >>> getting first (in terms of functionality). Specifically, I'm >>> wondering about: >>> >>> Cell phone functionality: Is full cellphone functionality (i.e. >>> sending and receiving calls/SMS) currently working stably? >>> >>> Internet connectivity: At what stage of development is internet >>> connectivity, both through wifi and the cellular network? Is there a >>> decently functional browser yet? >>> >>> SSH: Related to above, is SSH working? >>> >>> Audio: How functional is the FreeRunner as a PMP? OGG support is a >>> must and mp3 and FLAC would be good. >>> >>> Development & portability: How easy is it to develop/compile new >>> programs for the platform and how easy is it to port existing >>> applications? >>> >>> Misc: Battery life for normal usage? Is there a JVM yet? >>> Ruggedness? Compatibility with AT&T SIMs? >>> >>> If anyone has any input on these, it's greatly appreciated. Feel free >>> to e-mail me privately if you don't feel it'd be interesting to anyone >>> else on the list. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Evan >>> ___ >>> Openmoko community mailing list >>> community@lists.openmoko.org >>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >>> >> >> >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Reviews?
Looks like his server hosting the images suffered a hard-drive failure: http://www.monochromementality.com/index.php/blog/show/This-Site-Broken-Articles-And-Learning-Python.html Milos Mandaric wrote: > Have look at this one > http://www.monochromementality.com/index.php/blog/show/Day-One-Openmoko-Freerunner-1.html > from Kevin Dean. I am not sure why the photos are missing. > > > On Mon, 2008-07-07 at 16:02 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Does anyone know if there are any good reviews floating around for the >> FreeRunner yet? (And if not, does someone who already has theirs want >> to write one?) I'm a college student so money's very tight and I'm >> trying to justify purchasing one, but I want to know exactly what I'm >> getting first (in terms of functionality). Specifically, I'm >> wondering about: >> >> Cell phone functionality: Is full cellphone functionality (i.e. >> sending and receiving calls/SMS) currently working stably? >> >> Internet connectivity: At what stage of development is internet >> connectivity, both through wifi and the cellular network? Is there a >> decently functional browser yet? >> >> SSH: Related to above, is SSH working? >> >> Audio: How functional is the FreeRunner as a PMP? OGG support is a >> must and mp3 and FLAC would be good. >> >> Development & portability: How easy is it to develop/compile new >> programs for the platform and how easy is it to port existing >> applications? >> >> Misc: Battery life for normal usage? Is there a JVM yet? >> Ruggedness? Compatibility with AT&T SIMs? >> >> If anyone has any input on these, it's greatly appreciated. Feel free >> to e-mail me privately if you don't feel it'd be interesting to anyone >> else on the list. >> >> Thanks, >> Evan >> ___ >> Openmoko community mailing list >> community@lists.openmoko.org >> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community >> > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Reviews?
Have look at this one http://www.monochromementality.com/index.php/blog/show/Day-One-Openmoko-Freerunner-1.html from Kevin Dean. I am not sure why the photos are missing. On Mon, 2008-07-07 at 16:02 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi all, > > Does anyone know if there are any good reviews floating around for the > FreeRunner yet? (And if not, does someone who already has theirs want > to write one?) I'm a college student so money's very tight and I'm > trying to justify purchasing one, but I want to know exactly what I'm > getting first (in terms of functionality). Specifically, I'm > wondering about: > > Cell phone functionality: Is full cellphone functionality (i.e. > sending and receiving calls/SMS) currently working stably? > > Internet connectivity: At what stage of development is internet > connectivity, both through wifi and the cellular network? Is there a > decently functional browser yet? > > SSH: Related to above, is SSH working? > > Audio: How functional is the FreeRunner as a PMP? OGG support is a > must and mp3 and FLAC would be good. > > Development & portability: How easy is it to develop/compile new > programs for the platform and how easy is it to port existing > applications? > > Misc: Battery life for normal usage? Is there a JVM yet? > Ruggedness? Compatibility with AT&T SIMs? > > If anyone has any input on these, it's greatly appreciated. Feel free > to e-mail me privately if you don't feel it'd be interesting to anyone > else on the list. > > Thanks, > Evan > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Reviews?
Hi all, Does anyone know if there are any good reviews floating around for the FreeRunner yet? (And if not, does someone who already has theirs want to write one?) I'm a college student so money's very tight and I'm trying to justify purchasing one, but I want to know exactly what I'm getting first (in terms of functionality). Specifically, I'm wondering about: Cell phone functionality: Is full cellphone functionality (i.e. sending and receiving calls/SMS) currently working stably? Internet connectivity: At what stage of development is internet connectivity, both through wifi and the cellular network? Is there a decently functional browser yet? SSH: Related to above, is SSH working? Audio: How functional is the FreeRunner as a PMP? OGG support is a must and mp3 and FLAC would be good. Development & portability: How easy is it to develop/compile new programs for the platform and how easy is it to port existing applications? Misc: Battery life for normal usage? Is there a JVM yet? Ruggedness? Compatibility with AT&T SIMs? If anyone has any input on these, it's greatly appreciated. Feel free to e-mail me privately if you don't feel it'd be interesting to anyone else on the list. Thanks, Evan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
