Re: Schematics/PCB
On 21/02/07, Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's another reason to NOT release, some companies like to charge for repairing or for repairing manuales, and make it a part of their business, and thus don't like to release the info for free. Here's hoping that the OpenMoko project demands better than this. Any official word on this matter from anyone? Justyn ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Schematics/PCB
Hi! I second the schematic request. But I doubt that they release them, the same happen with agenda. Anyway, if they doesn't release the schematics, and I get myself one of these phones, we would need to analize the pcb and try to get an idea on the design in order to modify it. It can be done, but it will take longer. I hope they release the schematic. c-ya! Ildefonso Camargo On 2/20/07, Justyn Butler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'd been assuming that the PCB and/or schematics for the Neo1973 had been made available along with the source code. Looking now, I realise that they haven't. I'm a hardware kind of person, and I've been looking forward to creating add-ons and modifications to my Neo1973 the second it arrives. Clearly the schematic at least is required for this to be as convenient as I've imagined an open-source project would be. A good example is adding things to the I2C bus. Searching the mailing lists and google I'm now feeling worried that I've misunderstood, and that the schematics/layouts won't be available. I'm hoping this isn't the case, perhaps they'll become available when the phone reaches phase 1, or with the hacker's lunchbox. Could someone tell me what's planned here? Justyn ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Schematics/PCB
I certainly wouldn't expect them (FIC) to make the schematics/PCB free to use, which would enable people to legally copy FIC's investment. But what real advantage can there be to keeping them closed? I would at least like this explained to me. As far as I know, any company wishing to make illegal knockoffs can just X-ray the boards (to read the layers) and therefore reproduce the PCB and schematics. After all, they have an incentive to put the time in. But hobbyist hackers don't have this time. I would also like to be able to repair the phone when it inevitably becomes damaged (in a few years, say). It is very frustrating when repairing consumer electronics that you just can't find the necessary information anywhere, ie what the ICs are (topcodes are next to useless). Quite often just a power transistor or the like needs to be replaced, but it is incredibly time-consuming understanding the function of each part of the circuit when you can only see part of it. Justyn On 21/02/07, Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! I second the schematic request. But I doubt that they release them, the same happen with agenda. Anyway, if they doesn't release the schematics, and I get myself one of these phones, we would need to analize the pcb and try to get an idea on the design in order to modify it. It can be done, but it will take longer. I hope they release the schematic. c-ya! Ildefonso Camargo On 2/20/07, Justyn Butler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'd been assuming that the PCB and/or schematics for the Neo1973 had been made available along with the source code. Looking now, I realise that they haven't. I'm a hardware kind of person, and I've been looking forward to creating add-ons and modifications to my Neo1973 the second it arrives. Clearly the schematic at least is required for this to be as convenient as I've imagined an open-source project would be. A good example is adding things to the I2C bus. Searching the mailing lists and google I'm now feeling worried that I've misunderstood, and that the schematics/layouts won't be available. I'm hoping this isn't the case, perhaps they'll become available when the phone reaches phase 1, or with the hacker's lunchbox. Could someone tell me what's planned here? Justyn ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Schematics/PCB
Hi! On 2/21/07, Justyn Butler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I certainly wouldn't expect them (FIC) to make the schematics/PCB free to use, which would enable people to legally copy FIC's investment. But what real advantage can there be to keeping them closed? I would at least like this explained to me. As far as I know, any company wishing to make illegal knockoffs can just X-ray the boards (to read the layers) and therefore reproduce the PCB and schematics. After all, they have an incentive to put the time in. But hobbyist hackers don't have this time. Yep, you are right, but as for hardware many people just don't like to release the schematics. But there is people who actually release them, like bitscope, and they actually have a business running from it. I would also like to be able to repair the phone when it inevitably becomes damaged (in a few years, say). It is very frustrating when repairing consumer electronics that you just can't find the necessary information anywhere, ie what the ICs are (topcodes are next to useless). Quite often just a power transistor or the like needs to be replaced, but it is incredibly time-consuming understanding the function of each part of the circuit when you can only see part of it. That's another reason to NOT release, some companies like to charge for repairing or for repairing manuales, and make it a part of their business, and thus don't like to release the info for free. Justyn Ildefonso. On 21/02/07, Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! I second the schematic request. But I doubt that they release them, the same happen with agenda. Anyway, if they doesn't release the schematics, and I get myself one of these phones, we would need to analize the pcb and try to get an idea on the design in order to modify it. It can be done, but it will take longer. I hope they release the schematic. c-ya! Ildefonso Camargo On 2/20/07, Justyn Butler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'd been assuming that the PCB and/or schematics for the Neo1973 had been made available along with the source code. Looking now, I realise that they haven't. I'm a hardware kind of person, and I've been looking forward to creating add-ons and modifications to my Neo1973 the second it arrives. Clearly the schematic at least is required for this to be as convenient as I've imagined an open-source project would be. A good example is adding things to the I2C bus. Searching the mailing lists and google I'm now feeling worried that I've misunderstood, and that the schematics/layouts won't be available. I'm hoping this isn't the case, perhaps they'll become available when the phone reaches phase 1, or with the hacker's lunchbox. Could someone tell me what's planned here? Justyn ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
