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Rodolphe Ortalo wrote: Hmm, btw, I did not even get a YES_I_DO message personnally... has everyone on the list received one against their order? Rodolphe ... I didn't receive one either. Don't know whether my order got lost, I mistyped my email or I ordered too early or too late (2. day) ;-) Andreas ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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FYI, I am #2575 because I am generally a wise and patient man... (Grr!!! I made my order less than 24hours after the opening) Rodolphe Le jeudi 19 juillet 2007 à 22:13 +0200, Peter Trapp a écrit : YES_I_DID :) or better we = group purchasing :) From our side everything went fine (#1952 - also not that fare away from Jason (#1820) if this mean something at all). I'm just curios... Rodolphe Ortalo schrieb: Hmm, btw, I did not even get a YES_I_DO message personnally... has everyone on the list received one against their order? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Le jeudi 19 juillet 2007 à 13:35 -0700, Daniel Robinson a écrit : My number was 3585. Does that mean there are 1747 nerds ahead of me? Hmm, possible. But maybe there are even more after you... Comforting no? ;-) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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The limited number of neo's have got me worried that I might not be in the first batch. Have anyone been charged for the device yet? I'm ready to learn the ways of Openmoko Ninjitsu. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Benjamin Flanagin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : The limited number of neo's have got me worried that I might not be in the first batch. Have anyone been charged for the device yet? I'm ready to learn the ways of Openmoko Ninjitsu. One person has confirmed on the list that their order has been processed. There's a few factors, first there's two colours. Secondly there's two kits, the phone only and the phone + dev board kits. Maybe the white and orange versions will be in more supply? --- G O Jones ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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I had some concerns about this also. There has been very little info coming out from OpenMoko about the number of units of each type that have been ordered by developers and how many are available. Moreover, there hasn't been any information about where we are in the queue. All that has been said is that you get one email, then you get another email, then you get your dev unit. Do they expect me to keep hitting the refresh button like some blue-haired lady playing the nickel slots? On 7/19/07, Giles Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Benjamin Flanagin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : The limited number of neo's have got me worried that I might not be in the first batch. Have anyone been charged for the device yet? I'm ready to learn the ways of Openmoko Ninjitsu. One person has confirmed on the list that their order has been processed. There's a few factors, first there's two colours. Secondly there's two kits, the phone only and the phone + dev board kits. Maybe the white and orange versions will be in more supply? --- G O Jones ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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I'm not concerned about the number of units. It's more about the delivery date. On http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SH1_FAQ: Are there enough phones for the number of orders? Will FIC produce another GTA01 batch if needed? Of course. Please note that there is a lead time of four to six weeks. I don't want to wait another 6 weeks (~ End of August) to buy GTA02 2 month later... Daniel Robinson wrote: I had some concerns about this also. There has been very little info coming out from OpenMoko about the number of units of each type that have been ordered by developers and how many are available. Moreover, there hasn't been any information about where we are in the queue. All that has been said is that you get one email, then you get another email, then you get your dev unit. Do they expect me to keep hitting the refresh button like some blue-haired lady playing the nickel slots? On 7/19/07, *Giles Jones* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Benjamin Flanagin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : The limited number of neo's have got me worried that I might not be in the first batch. Have anyone been charged for the device yet? I'm ready to learn the ways of Openmoko Ninjitsu. One person has confirmed on the list that their order has been processed. There's a few factors, first there's two colours. Secondly there's two kits, the phone only and the phone + dev board kits. Maybe the white and orange versions will be in more supply? --- G O Jones ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org mailto:community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Peter Trapp wrote: I'm not concerned about the number of units. It's more about the delivery date. On http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SH1_FAQ: Are there enough phones for the number of orders? Will FIC produce another GTA01 batch if needed? Of course. Please note that there is a lead time of four to six weeks. I don't want to wait another 6 weeks (~ End of August) to buy GTA02 2 month later... Based on basic sums of tickets and phones per order, it seems likely that the number of phones ordered is 800-1500 or so. It is very likely that there will be a delay. If they kicked off the production process for the next batch on the 10th - after having several hundred orders - then 4 weeks comes around the 8th of August. Probably another week at least for shipping. So, at best, another month. At worst - if nobodies pressed the button, and the production time is 6 weeks, and this doesn't happen till they get the first batch out the door, we might be looking at the first days of November. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Le jeudi 19 juillet 2007 à 18:04 +0100, Ian Stirling a écrit : [...] At worst - if nobodies pressed the button, and the production time is 6 weeks, and this doesn't happen till they get the first batch out the door, we might be looking at the first days of November. [...] Sob. (Snif in original language.) Well, that's not such bad news if there are lots of orders... BOOUUUHH... Rodolphe I will really need to to write yet another toy app to wait until then, any ideas? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Thursday 19 July 2007 17:15, Daniel Robinson wrote: I had some concerns about this also. There has been very little info coming out from OpenMoko about the number of units of each type that have been ordered by developers and how many are available. Moreover, there hasn't been any information about where we are in the queue. All that has been said is that you get one email, then you get another email, then you get your dev unit. Do they expect me to keep hitting the refresh button like some blue-haired lady playing the nickel slots? I'm waiting for them to get us to send them a picture with a fish on my head, or holding up a sign that says 'I sleep with badgers' in Taiwanese. All in all the dire communication is the biggest problem. It appears that 2 people have had confirmation that their credit card has been charged, neither seems to have a tracking number and neither appears to have shipped. We know the neo1973's arrived on the 17th so why haven't more cards been charged and boxes shipped. I'd rather they stopped making dumb videos and started packing, billing and shipping. Andy ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Ian Stirling wrote: Peter Trapp wrote: I don't want to wait another 6 weeks (~ End of August) to buy GTA02 2 month later... Based on basic sums of tickets and phones per order, it seems likely that the number of phones ordered is 800-1500 or so. It is very likely that there will be a delay. It's likely that there will be some delay for sure. IMO they had around 1000 on stoc for shipping (dunno where the number came from)... It's less the question if there will be a delay. More to whom it concerns ... If they kicked off the production process for the next batch on the 10th - after having several hundred orders - then 4 weeks comes around the 8th of August. Probably another week at least for shipping. So, at best, another month. At worst - if nobodies pressed the button, and the production time is 6 weeks, and this doesn't happen till they get the first batch out the door, we might be looking at the first days of November. first days of November ... ... probably they will just ship GTA02 ;) I guess it will be something in between (08/08 -- start of November) , but that's the point. There should be some statement on that... These are only my 2 cents. Don't count on GTA02... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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I think you guys need to have a little more patience. If your phone doesn't get to you RIGHT NOW the world is not going to end. You'll have plenty of time after your phone gets to you to play with it. Relax, have a coffee and a danish and everything will be fine. Quoting Andy Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thursday 19 July 2007 17:15, Daniel Robinson wrote: I had some concerns about this also. There has been very little info coming out from OpenMoko about the number of units of each type that have been ordered by developers and how many are available. Moreover, there hasn't been any information about where we are in the queue. All that has been said is that you get one email, then you get another email, then you get your dev unit. Do they expect me to keep hitting the refresh button like some blue-haired lady playing the nickel slots? I'm waiting for them to get us to send them a picture with a fish on my head, or holding up a sign that says 'I sleep with badgers' in Taiwanese. All in all the dire communication is the biggest problem. It appears that 2 people have had confirmation that their credit card has been charged, neither seems to have a tracking number and neither appears to have shipped. We know the neo1973's arrived on the 17th so why haven't more cards been charged and boxes shipped. I'd rather they stopped making dumb videos and started packing, billing and shipping. Andy ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think you guys need to have a little more patience. If your phone doesn't get to you RIGHT NOW the world is not going to end. You'll have plenty of time after your phone gets to you to play with it. Relax, have a coffee and a danish and everything will be fine. I can certainly be patient (I didn't strangle either of my children...), but it would be good to know my place in the queue -- some hint of how many phones have been ordered, how long the waiting list might be... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On 19 Jul 2007, at 19:47, Joe Pfeiffer wrote: I can certainly be patient (I didn't strangle either of my children...), but it would be good to know my place in the queue -- some hint of how many phones have been ordered, how long the waiting list might be... I drew out an approximation of the screen size on paper and I think having hardware will be important if you are to achieve maximum usability. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Hmm, btw, I did not even get a YES_I_DO message personnally... has everyone on the list received one against their order? Rodolphe ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Jul 19, 2007, at 12:29 PM, Andy Powell wrote: What they should have done is not opened the shop for 2 weeks and then got everything in place rather than taken the orders and then sit around waiting because no one thought about the merchant account. Those bastards! How dare they? Man, remember back in the day when you used to mail order things by sending a check in an envelope through the postal service? And then four to six weeks later the box would come, or maybe not? And that's what people did for over a century, between the time that mail order was invented and the time that the Internet and package tracking over the Internet became a possibility. Sure, this could have been handled better. If they'd asked me, I could have set up a Zencart site for them. So could probably a dozen or more people on this mailing list. But they had a lot of work to do getting the phone out, and they were overconfident about how easy this part would be. We can be angry at them if we want, for this oversight, but it's not going to make any difference in how soon our phones get shipped. On the other hand, if you get strident enough, it might make them regret ever trying to ship an open source phone. If that's not your goal, you might want to consider different tactics. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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YES_I_DID :) or better we = group purchasing :) From our side everything went fine (#1952 - also not that fare away from Jason (#1820) if this mean something at all). I'm just curios... Rodolphe Ortalo schrieb: Hmm, btw, I did not even get a YES_I_DO message personnally... has everyone on the list received one against their order? Rodolphe ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Out of curiosity, Has anyone else seen their credit card charged? My order was only 1838, and my card has not been charged, nor have I received an ack, or any form of confirmation after replying with 'YES_I_DO'. Seems like they should be able to process at least 18 credit cards per day? Maybe Not? Ah well, whats another week, right? cheers -scott Peter Trapp wrote: YES_I_DID :) or better we = group purchasing :) From our side everything went fine (#1952 - also not that fare away from Jason (#1820) if this mean something at all). I'm just curios... Rodolphe Ortalo schrieb: Hmm, btw, I did not even get a YES_I_DO message personnally... has everyone on the list received one against their order? Rodolphe ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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My number was 3585. Does that mean there are 1747 nerds ahead of me? On 7/19/07, Scott Rushforth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Out of curiosity, Has anyone else seen their credit card charged? My order was only 1838, and my card has not been charged, nor have I received an ack, or any form of confirmation after replying with 'YES_I_DO'. Seems like they should be able to process at least 18 credit cards per day? Maybe Not? Ah well, whats another week, right? cheers -scott Peter Trapp wrote: YES_I_DID :) or better we = group purchasing :) From our side everything went fine (#1952 - also not that fare away from Jason (#1820) if this mean something at all). I'm just curios... Rodolphe Ortalo schrieb: Hmm, btw, I did not even get a YES_I_DO message personnally... has everyone on the list received one against their order? Rodolphe ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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I don't think so. The number is a ticket number, not an order number. And it appears that the order tickets are generated by the same system generating all of their ticketed responses. So there may be a lot of trouble tickets included in that number. On 7/19/07, Daniel Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My number was 3585. Does that mean there are 1747 nerds ahead of me? On 7/19/07, Scott Rushforth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Out of curiosity, Has anyone else seen their credit card charged? My order was only 1838, and my card has not been charged, nor have I received an ack, or any form of confirmation after replying with 'YES_I_DO'. Seems like they should be able to process at least 18 credit cards per day? Maybe Not? Ah well, whats another week, right? cheers -scott Peter Trapp wrote: YES_I_DID :) or better we = group purchasing :) From our side everything went fine (#1952 - also not that fare away from Jason (#1820) if this mean something at all). I'm just curios... Rodolphe Ortalo schrieb: Hmm, btw, I did not even get a YES_I_DO message personnally... has everyone on the list received one against their order? Rodolphe ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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From P1_Owners (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/P1_Owners) you can see 2 credit card charges: #1820#1821 (from the 07/18/07) highest number seen: #3882 -homyx Scott Rushforth wrote: Out of curiosity, Has anyone else seen their credit card charged? My order was only 1838, and my card has not been charged, nor have I received an ack, or any form of confirmation after replying with 'YES_I_DO'. Seems like they should be able to process at least 18 credit cards per day? Maybe Not? Ah well, whats another week, right? cheers -scott ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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You guys realize FIC doesn't sell things to consumers. This is probably the First Credit card billing they've done(at least this many transactions at once), and those two may have been test cases. I suspect they need to be sent to the company in a specific format that they wanted to test rather then have (for example 200) messed up charges. I suspect soon everyone who will get a neo in the first batch will be charged and the boxes sent out same/next day. Also don't forget we were told a long time ago 16th at the earliest so we are actually 3 days late, not two weeks. I also suspect they opened the store so early just in case they got 1747 orders they can get them in production asap. On 7/19/07, Scott Rushforth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Out of curiosity, Has anyone else seen their credit card charged? My order was only 1838, and my card has not been charged, nor have I received an ack, or any form of confirmation after replying with 'YES_I_DO'. Seems like they should be able to process at least 18 credit cards per day? Maybe Not? Ah well, whats another week, right? cheers -scott Peter Trapp wrote: YES_I_DID :) or better we = group purchasing :) From our side everything went fine (#1952 - also not that fare away from Jason (#1820) if this mean something at all). I'm just curios... Rodolphe Ortalo schrieb: Hmm, btw, I did not even get a YES_I_DO message personnally... has everyone on the list received one against their order? Rodolphe ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Thursday 19 July 2007 22:09, Mark wrote: You guys realize FIC doesn't sell things to consumers. This is probably the First Credit card billing they've done(at least this many transactions at once), and those two may have been test cases. I That's perfectly understandable, but 2 cards in as many days, it doesn't take that long... suspect they need to be sent to the company in a specific format that they wanted to test rather then have (for example 200) messed up charges. I suspect soon everyone who will get a neo in the first batch will be charged and the boxes sent out same/next day. Also don't forget we were told a long time ago 16th at the earliest so we are actually 3 days late, not two weeks. I also suspect they opened No, sending an email with the word 'remember' at the beginning doesn't actually constitute advanced notice. There was no indication at all that there would be a delay in shipping until this message, http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-July/006633.html so it's still 2 weeks late. Andy ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Thursday 19 July 2007 20:58, Rodolphe Ortalo wrote: Hmm, btw, I did not even get a YES_I_DO message personnally... has everyone on the list received one against their order? Rodolphe You might not need to have one, there was some cut off where they had stated that the device was a development one, not a consumer product. I think they just sent the YES_I_DO message to really early orders... I don't know what the cut of was though. Andy ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
