Re: Showroom hosting , roadmap draft design
Bernd Prünster wrote: Fabian Killus schrieb: I did a quick mockup of how I would like to have such a showroom look like. The traditional openmoko colors were used. Please comment if you like it or not (I know it's not perfect, just an idea). Here comes the png: http://ji-xiansheng.de/tmp/om_packages_mockup.png jxs Please dont make the same mistake that was made relaunching opkg.org: dont use such huge graphics. keep in mind that the showroom should maybe also easily viewable @ 480x640. just my 2 cents I agree if the site is not easily viewable from the Freerunner, for people using WiFi (if they are lucky enough), GPRS, or even Bluetooth for internet. Other wise I like the idea on the table, will programs be categorized by the distro they are known to work with, ie Intone works with OM2009 and SHR so will it show up on both? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Showroom hosting , roadmap draft design
On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 05:05:36 +0200 David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com wrote: snip Please comment if you like it or not (I know it's not perfect, just an idea). Here comes the png: http://ji-xiansheng.de/tmp/om_packages_mockup.png jxs My comments on the mokup some of them will be related to the coding effort to reach some of your proposal and what I think it should be the fisrt relase, as Markus said what we can't reach now we will reach later: -Hierarchical clasification:well righ now there is only a flat classification on apt-portal (as it was on opkg.org) so first release will have only one level. -Multiple distros: idem as previous one, but this will be a priority for futures impovements -Too big fonts?? If the description become larger and there are much comments too much scroll -As other said, too strong colors, I prefer a dominant white with details with the official colors , -again said by others the OM logo is too big, wasting a lot of horizontal/vertical space -Having distros on a column always on left side seem to me again a lot of space wasting, having a roll over menu, and line some where in the app description telling also in this other distros: ,and a not in your favourite distro? link with the instructions you mentioned will safe a lot of useful space. above are opinions now what I really think :Good work Fabian! :), thanks a lot for the mokup - The fonts and the logo are far too big, I know. I want to create another mockup, but it will take some time, since I'm moving at the moment. About the distributions menu on the left side I have to disagree. I don't think it should be replaced with a roll over menu. I would agree on having the side menu + roll over menu. Space below the side menu could be used for a sponsor logo for Tuxbrain if the showroom will be placed on your server. jxs ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Showroom hosting , roadmap draft design
On Sat, 29 Aug 2009 05:24:46 +0200 Bernd Prünster bernd.pruens...@gmail.com wrote: Fabian Killus schrieb: I did a quick mockup of how I would like to have such a showroom look like. The traditional openmoko colors were used. Please comment if you like it or not (I know it's not perfect, just an idea). Here comes the png: http://ji-xiansheng.de/tmp/om_packages_mockup.png jxs Please dont make the same mistake that was made relaunching opkg.org: dont use such huge graphics. keep in mind that the showroom should maybe also easily viewable @ 480x640. just my 2 cents I totally agree. jxs ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Showroom hosting , roadmap draft design
On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 10:24:53 +0300 m...@nysv.org (Markus Törnqvist) wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 07:13:23AM +0200, Fabian Killus wrote: On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 08:18:47 +0300 Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: Actually this is heavily inspired by gentoo-portage.com, which is a nice (but unofficial) package listing system for Gentoo. I just added the distributions menu on the left side. BTW do we also need a field that shows which other distributions provide a certain package (like: Other distributions with this Package: SHR, Debian)? Trying to see the relations in apt-portal's db now... Then again, if it's not doable now, we can do it later I thought if you switch the distribution with the left side menu and already have selected a package, the equivalent package for the just selected distribution should be displayed. If this distro doesn't have such a package show an apropiate message, maybe telling whom to contact, to get this app into the distribution. Ok, cool. It could be pretty generic, probably. These colors are taken from the Openmoko identity guidelines [1] and I agree that they are heavy. Maybe now designing this showroom and its colors is a good moment to decide as a community, wether to stick with the official guidelines or not. I do think consistent colors are good for community spirit. I don't care if we continue with darkgrey/orange or have something new, as long as it is documented on the wiki. The wiki would probably have its old colors, and we can always do a facelift and change colors, so I say we stick to the current stuff and change colors later if we cared to... Another issue would be the logo, here I'm not even aware if we are allowed to use it. I recall a post be Sean Moss-Pultz to release this stuff to the community, but don't know how or if this ever happend. Let's hope for the best. One last thing, you've maybe noticed the packages.openmoko-community.org at top of my mockup. I questioning which domain should be used for the showroom? I'm _not_ totally convinced by suggestions like frappdb.org or so. I did :) openmoko-community.org is a bit long, what about om-community.org? Heh, ompkg.org ;P Something? I agree with you that frappdb, tho it sounds almost cool, is very fr-centric and maybe not the best solution. I like om-community.org and use packages.om-community.org or showroom.om-community.org for the showroom. I prefer this over something like ompkg.org, because maybe later we also want to have something like polls.om-community (just an idea) or so. jxs ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Showroom hosting , roadmap draft design
why not packages.openmoko.org?? if I remember well openmoko.org mainting and thematics is about comunity so if some openmoko.org is listening will be hard to create such subdomain pointing to an external subdomain? Nevertheless whatever decision taken Tuxbrain will sponsor the new domain if needed alternatively to openmoko.org if is not responsive enough or not posible(logo sponsor ) I vote for om-comnunity.org 2009/8/29 Fabian Killus fab...@ji-xiansheng.de: On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 10:24:53 +0300 m...@nysv.org (Markus Törnqvist) wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 07:13:23AM +0200, Fabian Killus wrote: On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 08:18:47 +0300 Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: Actually this is heavily inspired by gentoo-portage.com, which is a nice (but unofficial) package listing system for Gentoo. I just added the distributions menu on the left side. BTW do we also need a field that shows which other distributions provide a certain package (like: Other distributions with this Package: SHR, Debian)? Trying to see the relations in apt-portal's db now... Then again, if it's not doable now, we can do it later I thought if you switch the distribution with the left side menu and already have selected a package, the equivalent package for the just selected distribution should be displayed. If this distro doesn't have such a package show an apropiate message, maybe telling whom to contact, to get this app into the distribution. Ok, cool. It could be pretty generic, probably. These colors are taken from the Openmoko identity guidelines [1] and I agree that they are heavy. Maybe now designing this showroom and its colors is a good moment to decide as a community, wether to stick with the official guidelines or not. I do think consistent colors are good for community spirit. I don't care if we continue with darkgrey/orange or have something new, as long as it is documented on the wiki. The wiki would probably have its old colors, and we can always do a facelift and change colors, so I say we stick to the current stuff and change colors later if we cared to... Another issue would be the logo, here I'm not even aware if we are allowed to use it. I recall a post be Sean Moss-Pultz to release this stuff to the community, but don't know how or if this ever happend. Let's hope for the best. One last thing, you've maybe noticed the packages.openmoko-community.org at top of my mockup. I questioning which domain should be used for the showroom? I'm _not_ totally convinced by suggestions like frappdb.org or so. I did :) openmoko-community.org is a bit long, what about om-community.org? Heh, ompkg.org ;P Something? I agree with you that frappdb, tho it sounds almost cool, is very fr-centric and maybe not the best solution. I like om-community.org and use packages.om-community.org or showroom.om-community.org for the showroom. I prefer this over something like ompkg.org, because maybe later we also want to have something like polls.om-community (just an idea) or so. jxs ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Showroom hosting , roadmap draft design
something.openmoko.org makes sense to me, if it's not about openmoko inc om-community works as a second option - I'd like to see the foundation thing uprunning behind this.. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Showroom hosting , roadmap draft design
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 08:18:47AM +0300, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:40 AM, Fabian Killusfab...@ji-xiansheng.de wrote: http://ji-xiansheng.de/tmp/om_packages_mockup.png Wow, nice done Fabian! +1 I like the layout, it has the elements we need. I can't find anything else missing than some kind of voting system to find out the top apps. The colours are maybe a bit heavy, I'd prefer something lighter. I love the colors, but if I may suggest, it wastes some space with the logo being so big and the distros having a big left margin. We'll see if that ever becomes a problem :) I think this is a good start, I can't wait to see what David's up to. David: release early, release often: let us see what's happening so people can contribute! Release the specs of the layout so people can work on themes/mockups. Specs of the layout? -- mjt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Showroom hosting , roadmap draft design
On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 08:18:47 +0300 Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:40 AM, Fabian Killusfab...@ji-xiansheng.de wrote: I did a quick mockup of how I would like to have such a showroom look like. The traditional openmoko colors were used. Please comment if you like it or not (I know it's not perfect, just an idea). Here comes the png: http://ji-xiansheng.de/tmp/om_packages_mockup.png jxs Wow, nice done Fabian! Thank you :) Actually this is heavily inspired by gentoo-portage.com, which is a nice (but unofficial) package listing system for Gentoo. I just added the distributions menu on the left side. BTW do we also need a field that shows which other distributions provide a certain package (like: Other distributions with this Package: SHR, Debian)? I thought if you switch the distribution with the left side menu and already have selected a package, the equivalent package for the just selected distribution should be displayed. If this distro doesn't have such a package show an apropiate message, maybe telling whom to contact, to get this app into the distribution. I like the layout, it has the elements we need. I can't find anything else missing than some kind of voting system to find out the top apps. Right, I forgot the voting system. The colours are maybe a bit heavy, I'd prefer something lighter. These colors are taken from the Openmoko identity guidelines [1] and I agree that they are heavy. Maybe now designing this showroom and its colors is a good moment to decide as a community, wether to stick with the official guidelines or not. I do think consistent colors are good for community spirit. I don't care if we continue with darkgrey/orange or have something new, as long as it is documented on the wiki. Another issue would be the logo, here I'm not even aware if we are allowed to use it. I recall a post be Sean Moss-Pultz to release this stuff to the community, but don't know how or if this ever happend. One last thing, you've maybe noticed the packages.openmoko-community.org at top of my mockup. I questioning which domain should be used for the showroom? I'm _not_ totally convinced by suggestions like frappdb.org or so. I think this is a good start, I can't wait to see what David's up to. David: release early, release often: let us see what's happening so people can contribute! Release the specs of the layout so people can work on themes/mockups. Excited! r jxs [1] http://people.openmoko.org/sean/files/openmoko_trademark.pdf ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Showroom hosting , roadmap draft design
On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:54:37 +0300 m...@nysv.org (Markus Törnqvist) wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 08:18:47AM +0300, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:40 AM, Fabian Killusfab...@ji-xiansheng.de wrote: http://ji-xiansheng.de/tmp/om_packages_mockup.png Wow, nice done Fabian! +1 I like the layout, it has the elements we need. I can't find anything else missing than some kind of voting system to find out the top apps. The colours are maybe a bit heavy, I'd prefer something lighter. I love the colors, but if I may suggest, it wastes some space with the logo being so big and the distros having a big left margin. We'll see if that ever becomes a problem :) You're right. I already tried making the logo smaller but it looked strange, too. I was hoping someone more of a designer could get the proportions right for the final layout ;) I think this is a good start, I can't wait to see what David's up to. David: release early, release often: let us see what's happening so people can contribute! Release the specs of the layout so people can work on themes/mockups. Specs of the layout? jxs ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Showroom hosting , roadmap draft design
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 07:13:23AM +0200, Fabian Killus wrote: On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 08:18:47 +0300 Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: Actually this is heavily inspired by gentoo-portage.com, which is a nice (but unofficial) package listing system for Gentoo. I just added the distributions menu on the left side. BTW do we also need a field that shows which other distributions provide a certain package (like: Other distributions with this Package: SHR, Debian)? Trying to see the relations in apt-portal's db now... Then again, if it's not doable now, we can do it later I thought if you switch the distribution with the left side menu and already have selected a package, the equivalent package for the just selected distribution should be displayed. If this distro doesn't have such a package show an apropiate message, maybe telling whom to contact, to get this app into the distribution. Ok, cool. It could be pretty generic, probably. These colors are taken from the Openmoko identity guidelines [1] and I agree that they are heavy. Maybe now designing this showroom and its colors is a good moment to decide as a community, wether to stick with the official guidelines or not. I do think consistent colors are good for community spirit. I don't care if we continue with darkgrey/orange or have something new, as long as it is documented on the wiki. The wiki would probably have its old colors, and we can always do a facelift and change colors, so I say we stick to the current stuff and change colors later if we cared to... Another issue would be the logo, here I'm not even aware if we are allowed to use it. I recall a post be Sean Moss-Pultz to release this stuff to the community, but don't know how or if this ever happend. Let's hope for the best. One last thing, you've maybe noticed the packages.openmoko-community.org at top of my mockup. I questioning which domain should be used for the showroom? I'm _not_ totally convinced by suggestions like frappdb.org or so. I did :) openmoko-community.org is a bit long, what about om-community.org? Heh, ompkg.org ;P Something? I agree with you that frappdb, tho it sounds almost cool, is very fr-centric and maybe not the best solution. -- mjt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Showroom hosting , roadmap draft design
snip Please comment if you like it or not (I know it's not perfect, just an idea). Here comes the png: http://ji-xiansheng.de/tmp/om_packages_mockup.png jxs My comments on the mokup some of them will be related to the coding effort to reach some of your proposal and what I think it should be the fisrt relase, as Markus said what we can't reach now we will reach later: -Hierarchical clasification:well righ now there is only a flat classification on apt-portal (as it was on opkg.org) so first release will have only one level. -Multiple distros: idem as previous one, but this will be a priority for futures impovements -Too big fonts?? If the description become larger and there are much comments too much scroll -As other said, too strong colors, I prefer a dominant white with details with the official colors , -again said by others the OM logo is too big, wasting a lot of horizontal/vertical space -Having distros on a column always on left side seem to me again a lot of space wasting, having a roll over menu, and line some where in the app description telling also in this other distros: ,and a not in your favourite distro? link with the instructions you mentioned will safe a lot of useful space. above are opinions now what I really think :Good work Fabian! :), thanks a lot for the mokup - ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Showroom hosting , roadmap draft design
Fabian Killus schrieb: I did a quick mockup of how I would like to have such a showroom look like. The traditional openmoko colors were used. Please comment if you like it or not (I know it's not perfect, just an idea). Here comes the png: http://ji-xiansheng.de/tmp/om_packages_mockup.png jxs Please dont make the same mistake that was made relaunching opkg.org: dont use such huge graphics. keep in mind that the showroom should maybe also easily viewable @ 480x640. just my 2 cents ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Showroom hosting , roadmap draft design
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 4:38 AM, David Reyes Samblas Martinezda...@tuxbrain.com wrote: Dear Community As you also notice I'm very exited for the new app showroom and how all the things are going in this aspect, and I was thinking in how to all host this. What do you think about Tuxbrain sponsoring this hosting on a dedicated server with a decent bandwith 100Mb/s ,maybe shared with others FOSS projects, like the version control system for the showroom app ;) Do you will feel uncomfortable if we put our logo as sponsors? As draft for roadmad, what do you think in in the first release we focuse in adapt apt-portal to only one distros (I propose SHR(popularity) but staying with the functionalities apt-portal offer right now. and once released the first version, start working on improve and add more functionalities/Distros So basically there are r main tasks -Test adapt if needed the import from opkg repository -Enrich the description of the apps and pics and vids -Desing the frontend for the app (at least for this firts version) As next stept for the next version, I will say: Including Debian(no mod needed) as distro and see how we can share/discriminate info of same apps for diferent distros (descriptions, pics, vids, comments, packages) From here I spect to have some way better to manage milestones better than a post on mailing list to continue defining functionalities and improvements :) Regarding design of the site, as some also now Victor Remolina is a good designer and is as excited as I for the project, and would like to hear from you comments and ideas on how do you would like the showrom looks to starting doing some proposals and mokups, this will ease to start the html templates. Everything is accepted now (brainstorming phase) feelings, colors, examples, and any kind of usuability/desing ideas , then victor (and any other designer/volunteer of course) can create some proposal based on this. and maybe do a kind of pool to decide between diferent options if more than one is proposed. Please comment and discuss :) -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community !Hola! I must admit that every time I see a company announcing it's ready to do something in the web (write reviews to a shared blog, host something) I get some bad feeling. But if the Tuxbrain logo isn't the biggest one on the site and other people have full access to the code too I can't see any proper reasons why this couldn't be OK. Especially it's great if you have resources (like Victor the designer) to do the job! And yes, I agree that first to set up it working for one distro first and then start improving it from there, supporting other distros too. I think the question is what distro should be first. SHR yes but testing or unstable? ATM testing's not used much and it's not maintained. We're hoping to see someone to take it over (maybe nytowl will do it) and make it usable again. Most of the people use Unstable. I think supporting unstable first is a stupid act - hey, it's unstable! Testing makes more sense as things don't keep changing all the time. But things being as they are now.. I really don't know. I fear that if unstable's the first to be supported, no apps will ever find their ways to testing. Waiting to see the appstore uprunning somewhere :) (ps. now that SHR seems to be the #1 distro, I remember that someone somewhere said that this showroom installer could be integrated to SHR installer - Freerunner GUI for Showroom!) r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Showroom hosting , roadmap draft design
On Thursday 27 August 2009 10:23 Risto H. Kurppa wrote: On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 4:38 AM, David Reyes Samblas Martinezda...@tuxbrain.com wrote: As next stept for the next version, I will say: Including Debian(no mod needed) as distro and see how we can share/discriminate info of same apps for diferent distros (descriptions, pics, vids, comments, packages) snip And yes, I agree that first to set up it working for one distro first and then start improving it from there, supporting other distros too. I think the question is what distro should be first. SHR yes but testing or unstable? snip Wouldn't it be better to use Debian for the first start? - Az Martinez said it does not need any adoption on the distro-side - Az Risto said neiter SHR-U nor SHR-T would -at the moment- be appropriate for the purpose of the showroom I believe using Debian for the basic implementation of the showroom would cut down the amount of work a bit. And since I don't expect the showroom to be working perfectly from the first start (it's software) it might be better to work on a distro that is not evolving as fast as SHR (i think). I mean, data (urls, version numbers, etc.) that has been put into the showrooms database for testing yesterday is most likely still valid tomorrow - if it's about Debian. Best regards thomas -- ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) against HTML e-mail X www.asciiribbon.org / \ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Thomas Otterbeinth.otterb...@gmx.net wrote: Wouldn't it be better to use Debian for the first start? - Az Martinez said it does not need any adoption on the distro-side - Az Risto said neiter SHR-U nor SHR-T would -at the moment- be appropriate for the purpose of the showroom http://doodle.com/sd2c8d8snr23eeqq I'm not sure if Debian is a smart choice: using official debian repos will bloat the whole system to cover all 15000+ packages.. And using only http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian/ is not much of use - as most of the packages are at debian repositories already. Ok, openbmap and pypennotes, mokomaze, remoko are the only ~popular/famous apps in this repository). I really don't know, I let the devels decide what's best. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Showroom hosting , roadmap draft design
On Thursday 27 August 2009 11:16 Risto H. Kurppa wrote: On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Thomas Otterbeinth.otterb...@gmx.net wrote: Wouldn't it be better to use Debian for the first start? - Az Martinez said it does not need any adoption on the distro-side - Az Risto said neiter SHR-U nor SHR-T would -at the moment- be appropriate for the purpose of the showroom http://doodle.com/sd2c8d8snr23eeqq I'm not sure if Debian is a smart choice: using official debian repos will bloat the whole system to cover all 15000+ packages.. And using only http://pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org/debian/ is not much of use - as I was referring to that repo. Mostly because it's not crowded with too many applications in an undefined state. Please don't misunderstand me. I also feel that SHR is the way we'll all be going sooner or later. I love Debian but I use Kubuntu as it provides much more functionality in a much easier to use way. But I'm a developer myself and as such had my share of experience on how long it takes from the first enthusiastic steps until a piece of software runs reliably enough for the people you aim (too) with this. Not to mention our overall experience with stuff from and for OpenMoko. ;-) most of the packages are at debian repositories already. Ok, openbmap and pypennotes, mokomaze, remoko are the only ~popular/famous apps in this repository). I really don't know, I let the devels decide what's best. r -- Thomas Otterbein th.otterb...@gmx.net ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) against HTML e-mail X www.asciiribbon.org / \ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Re: Showroom hosting , roadmap draft design
On 8/27/09, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: (ps. now that SHR seems to be the #1 distro, I remember that someone somewhere said that this showroom installer could be integrated to SHR installer - Freerunner GUI for Showroom!) That was me. I think I can also help you with providing web API for showroom (well, for integrating SHR Installer it's must have ;)) if there is no such thing yet in apt-portal. BTW. apt-portal looks at repositories and Packages file in it, yup? I think parsing bb files could be overkill. OE repos also provide Packages file in repositories (maybe even it's the same format as Debian's, but i'm not sure), so modificating apt-portal to work with SHR shouldn't be that hard :) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Showroom hosting , roadmap draft design
2009/8/27 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com: On 8/27/09, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: (ps. now that SHR seems to be the #1 distro, I remember that someone somewhere said that this showroom installer could be integrated to SHR installer - Freerunner GUI for Showroom!) That was me. I think I can also help you with providing web API for showroom (well, for integrating SHR Installer it's must have ;)) if there is no such thing yet in apt-portal. Can you define what funtions has to provide that API? what format or returning do you expect(plain text,html), the more detailed the more easy to see how to do it? BTW. apt-portal looks at repositories and Packages file in it, yup? I think parsing bb files could be overkill. OE repos also provide Packages file in repositories (maybe even it's the same format as Debian's, but i'm not sure), so modificating apt-portal to work with SHR shouldn't be that hard :) That's was the idea :) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Showroom hosting , roadmap draft design
On 8/27/09, David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com wrote: 2009/8/27 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com: On 8/27/09, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: (ps. now that SHR seems to be the #1 distro, I remember that someone somewhere said that this showroom installer could be integrated to SHR installer - Freerunner GUI for Showroom!) That was me. I think I can also help you with providing web API for showroom (well, for integrating SHR Installer it's must have ;)) if there is no such thing yet in apt-portal. Can you define what funtions has to provide that API? what format or returning do you expect(plain text,html), the more detailed the more easy to see how to do it? Plain text, easly parsable. About functions, those are few I have already in mind: list of categories, list of top rated apps, list of apps from category, app details, vote. Maybe also some kind of searching, and way to login and logout if it'll be needed. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Showroom hosting , roadmap draft design
Am Donnerstag, den 27.08.2009, 13:52 +0200 schrieb Sebastian Krzyszkowiak: On 8/27/09, David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com wrote: 2009/8/27 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com: On 8/27/09, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: (ps. now that SHR seems to be the #1 distro, I remember that someone somewhere said that this showroom installer could be integrated to SHR installer - Freerunner GUI for Showroom!) That was me. I think I can also help you with providing web API for showroom (well, for integrating SHR Installer it's must have ;)) if there is no such thing yet in apt-portal. Can you define what funtions has to provide that API? what format or returning do you expect(plain text,html), the more detailed the more easy to see how to do it? Plain text, easly parsable. About functions, those are few I have already in mind: list of categories, list of top rated apps, list of apps from category, app details, vote. Maybe also some kind of searching, and way to login and logout if it'll be needed. Just an idea: Maybe a special function for getting the package url without having to download the whole app details (which may also contain a screenshot...) so that installing from the apps-in-category list is possible. -- Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Showroom hosting , roadmap draft design
On 8/27/09, Marcel tan...@googlemail.com wrote: Am Donnerstag, den 27.08.2009, 13:52 +0200 schrieb Sebastian Krzyszkowiak: On 8/27/09, David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com wrote: 2009/8/27 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com: On 8/27/09, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: (ps. now that SHR seems to be the #1 distro, I remember that someone somewhere said that this showroom installer could be integrated to SHR installer - Freerunner GUI for Showroom!) That was me. I think I can also help you with providing web API for showroom (well, for integrating SHR Installer it's must have ;)) if there is no such thing yet in apt-portal. Can you define what funtions has to provide that API? what format or returning do you expect(plain text,html), the more detailed the more easy to see how to do it? Plain text, easly parsable. About functions, those are few I have already in mind: list of categories, list of top rated apps, list of apps from category, app details, vote. Maybe also some kind of searching, and way to login and logout if it'll be needed. Just an idea: Maybe a special function for getting the package url without having to download the whole app details (which may also contain a screenshot...) so that installing from the apps-in-category list is possible. -- Marcel ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Package url? Why for? Package name is enough to install in via repositories ;x -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Showroom hosting , roadmap draft design
!Hola! I must admit that every time I see a company announcing it's ready to do something in the web (write reviews to a shared blog, host something) I get some bad feeling. :) I understand , as user/pseudodevel/colaborator sometimes I got the same feelings , but without entering in much philosophy Tuxbrain was born as a FOSS friendly(to not say lover) company and no reasons on the horizon to leave that way :) But if the Tuxbrain logo isn't the biggest one on the site and other people have full access to the code too I can't see any proper reasons why this couldn't be OK. Especially it's great if you have resources (like Victor the designer) to do the job! Talking about resources a Intel Core2Duo 2x 2.33+ GHz 1066 MHz 64 bits RAM 2 GB DDR2 HDD 2x 500 GB SATA2 Debian Lenny server is on the way to host this :) And yes, I agree that first to set up it working for one distro first and then start improving it from there, supporting other distros too. I think the question is what distro should be first. SHR yes but testing or unstable? ATM testing's not used much and it's not maintained. We're hoping to see someone to take it over (maybe nytowl will do it) and make it usable again. Most of the people use Unstable. most people use unestable because there is no more option, if a testing release is released any day I think people will happyly migrate to that one time to time. I think supporting unstable first is a stupid act - hey, it's unstable! Testing makes more sense as things don't keep changing all the time. But things being as they are now.. I really don't know. I fear that if unstable's the first to be supported, no apps will ever find their ways to testing. After reading 4 times this paragraph I understad you, you mean use the showroom as motivation to devels/matainers to push to be in the testing release to be able to appear in the showrom, well good point, I hope we have a testing soon then :) Waiting to see the appstore uprunning somewhere :) soon soon :) (ps. now that SHR seems to be the #1 distro, I remember that someone somewhere said that this showroom installer could be integrated to SHR installer - Freerunner GUI for Showroom!) r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Showroom hosting , roadmap draft design
2009/8/27 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com: On 8/27/09, David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com wrote: 2009/8/27 Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com: On 8/27/09, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: (ps. now that SHR seems to be the #1 distro, I remember that someone somewhere said that this showroom installer could be integrated to SHR installer - Freerunner GUI for Showroom!) That was me. I think I can also help you with providing web API for showroom (well, for integrating SHR Installer it's must have ;)) if there is no such thing yet in apt-portal. Can you define what funtions has to provide that API? what format or returning do you expect(plain text,html), the more detailed the more easy to see how to do it? Plain text, easly parsable. About functions, those are few I have already in mind: list of categories, list of top rated apps, list of apps from category, app details, vote. Maybe also some kind of searching, and way to login and logout if it'll be needed. Ok taking note to analize -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Showroom hosting , roadmap draft design
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 01:52:51PM +0200, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: On 8/27/09, David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com wrote: Can you define what funtions has to provide that API? what format or returning do you expect(plain text,html), the more detailed the more easy to see how to do it? Plain text, easly parsable. JSON is very popular, and IMO with good reason. It maps to practically every language and delivers exactly what's expected. It gets my two cents. About functions, those are few I have already in mind: list of categories, list of top rated apps, list of apps from category, app details, vote. Maybe also some kind of searching, and way to login and logout if it'll be needed. It'd be real sweet to have some wiki or whatever for design ideas like these. Wonder if apt-portal would have something already in Launchpad... -- mjt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Showroom hosting , roadmap draft design
On 8/27/09, Markus Törnqvist m...@nysv.org wrote: JSON is very popular, and IMO with good reason. It maps to practically every language and delivers exactly what's expected. It gets my two cents. Hmm... You're right, JSON can be the way to go ;) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Showroom hosting , roadmap draft design
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 04:19:07PM +0200, David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote: !Hola! I must admit that every time I see a company announcing it's ready to do something in the web (write reviews to a shared blog, host something) I get some bad feeling. :) I understand , as user/pseudodevel/colaborator sometimes I got the same feelings , but without entering in much philosophy Tuxbrain was born as a FOSS friendly(to not say lover) company and no reasons on the horizon to leave that way :) Nothing wrong with sponsors and ads if they don't get annoying enough to require AdBlock ;) Talking about resources a Intel Core2Duo 2x 2.33+ GHz 1066 MHz 64 bits RAM2 GB DDR2 HDD2x 500 GB SATA2 Debian Lenny server is on the way to host this :) Ooh this is power :) Then we need to figure out the processes here, because a lot of the effort will have to be merged upstream. [...] But things being as they are now.. I really don't know. I fear that if unstable's the first to be supported, no apps will ever find their ways to testing. After reading 4 times this paragraph I understad you, you mean use the showroom as motivation to devels/matainers to push to be in the testing release to be able to appear in the showrom, well good point, I hope we have a testing soon then :) Well, this is fortunately a problem with the distro maintainership, and if someone steps up to the occasion and becomes testing's maintainer, the problem will go away :) From a showroom POV, as long as we get the repo integration and new features going, we're set :) -- mjt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Showroom hosting , roadmap draft design
On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 03:38:47 +0200 David Reyes Samblas Martinez da...@tuxbrain.com wrote: cut Regarding design of the site, as some also now Victor Remolina is a good designer and is as excited as I for the project, and would like to hear from you comments and ideas on how do you would like the showrom looks to starting doing some proposals and mokups, this will ease to start the html templates. Everything is accepted now (brainstorming phase) feelings, colors, examples, and any kind of usuability/desing ideas , then victor (and any other designer/volunteer of course) can create some proposal based on this. and maybe do a kind of pool to decide between diferent options if more than one is proposed. Please comment and discuss :) I did a quick mockup of how I would like to have such a showroom look like. The traditional openmoko colors were used. Please comment if you like it or not (I know it's not perfect, just an idea). Here comes the png: http://ji-xiansheng.de/tmp/om_packages_mockup.png jxs ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Showroom hosting , roadmap draft design
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:40 AM, Fabian Killusfab...@ji-xiansheng.de wrote: I did a quick mockup of how I would like to have such a showroom look like. The traditional openmoko colors were used. Please comment if you like it or not (I know it's not perfect, just an idea). Here comes the png: http://ji-xiansheng.de/tmp/om_packages_mockup.png jxs Wow, nice done Fabian! I like the layout, it has the elements we need. I can't find anything else missing than some kind of voting system to find out the top apps. The colours are maybe a bit heavy, I'd prefer something lighter. I think this is a good start, I can't wait to see what David's up to. David: release early, release often: let us see what's happening so people can contribute! Release the specs of the layout so people can work on themes/mockups. Excited! r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Showroom hosting , roadmap draft design
Dear Community As you also notice I'm very exited for the new app showroom and how all the things are going in this aspect, and I was thinking in how to all host this. What do you think about Tuxbrain sponsoring this hosting on a dedicated server with a decent bandwith 100Mb/s ,maybe shared with others FOSS projects, like the version control system for the showroom app ;) Do you will feel uncomfortable if we put our logo as sponsors? As draft for roadmad, what do you think in in the first release we focuse in adapt apt-portal to only one distros (I propose SHR(popularity) but staying with the functionalities apt-portal offer right now. and once released the first version, start working on improve and add more functionalities/Distros So basically there are r main tasks -Test adapt if needed the import from opkg repository -Enrich the description of the apps and pics and vids -Desing the frontend for the app (at least for this firts version) As next stept for the next version, I will say: Including Debian(no mod needed) as distro and see how we can share/discriminate info of same apps for diferent distros (descriptions, pics, vids, comments, packages) From here I spect to have some way better to manage milestones better than a post on mailing list to continue defining functionalities and improvements :) Regarding design of the site, as some also now Victor Remolina is a good designer and is as excited as I for the project, and would like to hear from you comments and ideas on how do you would like the showrom looks to starting doing some proposals and mokups, this will ease to start the html templates. Everything is accepted now (brainstorming phase) feelings, colors, examples, and any kind of usuability/desing ideas , then victor (and any other designer/volunteer of course) can create some proposal based on this. and maybe do a kind of pool to decide between diferent options if more than one is proposed. Please comment and discuss :) -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable embedded solutions Openmoko, Openpandora, Arduino Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
