Re: Size and weight considerations for future Openmoko devices

2007-05-04 Thread Attila Csipa
On Friday 04 May 2007 06:09, Hans L wrote: out. AFAIK Stereo sound works best when the sources are far apart, but in this case they are essentially coming from the same point in space. IMBWOTO, but the idea of small stereo devices is that the two speakers emit sound in different directions,

Re: Size and weight considerations for future Openmoko devices

2007-05-04 Thread Ortwin Regel
My experience was very different. My Tapwave Zodiac (best portable thing ever made... *sigh*) had awesome stereo sound, even without headphones. It's also quite noticable with other devices whether they have stereo sound or not. The problem with the 1973 is that it will probably be rotated a lot.

Re: Size and weight considerations for future Openmoko devices

2007-05-03 Thread wim delvaux
FWIW, most of these 'light' phones do seem so 'fragile'. It looks like any drop from pocket or table might smash them to bits. Less weight generally means more flimsy devices. I have had the NEO in my hands and although the numbers may make if sound like it is chunky it is not AND when held

Re: Size and weight considerations for future Openmoko devices

2007-05-03 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 03.05.2007 um 13:32 schrieb Ian Stirling: wim delvaux wrote: FWIW, most of these 'light' phones do seem so 'fragile'. It looks like any drop from pocket or table might smash them to bits. Less weight generally means more flimsy devices. No. It is easy to make a fragile looking

Re: Size and weight considerations for future Openmoko devices

2007-05-03 Thread Ian Stirling
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Am 03.05.2007 um 13:32 schrieb Ian Stirling: wim delvaux wrote: FWIW, most of these 'light' phones do seem so 'fragile'. It looks like any drop from pocket or table might smash them to bits. Less weight generally means more flimsy devices. No. It is easy

Re: Size and weight considerations for future Openmoko devices

2007-05-03 Thread Sander van Grieken
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: That's not solely robustness though, air resistance helps lots too. Hmm do you propose a furry casing? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: Size and weight considerations for future Openmoko devices

2007-05-03 Thread giulio alfano
I think is better to compare with this nokia new model, price is also interesting( in Italy) 9300i 172g 132x51x21 mm 126cc 475€ wifi E65 115g 105x49x15.5mm74cc 360€ wifi N95 120g 99x53x21mm 728€ GPS+wifi also interesting this model without phone: N800 206g

Re: Size and weight considerations for future Openmoko devices

2007-05-03 Thread Ian Stirling
Sander van Grieken wrote: Ian Stirling wrote: That's not solely robustness though, air resistance helps lots too. Hmm do you propose a furry casing? I have in the past proposed little legs and arms like seen in the adverts. Fur would just be fun. However. To stop it getting tangled up, it'd

Re: Size and weight considerations for future Openmoko devices

2007-05-03 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Ian Stirling writes: Sander van Grieken wrote: Ian Stirling wrote: That's not solely robustness though, air resistance helps lots too. Hmm do you propose a furry casing? I have in the past proposed little legs and arms like seen in the adverts. Fur would just be fun. However. To stop it

Size and weight considerations for future Openmoko devices

2007-05-03 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
Hmm... I cannot find any good reason to have 2 speakers eighter. Maybe the reason is that they want the sound to be better distributed in all direction? - Anyway, you can always remove one or two speakers when you get the phone. It is not very complicated.

Size and weight considerations for future Openmoko devices

2007-05-02 Thread Sven Neuhaus
Hello, here's the size and weight of a few touchscreen mobile phones: Neo1973 iPhone M600i LG Prada length (mm) 120.7115 107 98.8 width 62 61 57 54 height18.5 11.6 15 12 weight (g)184 135 112 85

Re: Size and weight considerations for future Openmoko devices

2007-05-02 Thread Thomas Gstädtner
Please consider dpi comparison in which Neo is unbeatable winner. The display of the Neo is definitely great, but I agree with Sven, the device is a bit too big. Especially it is too thick. I think the iPhone can only be so thin because the battery is built-in.

Re: Size and weight considerations for future Openmoko devices

2007-05-02 Thread Ian Stirling
Maciej Ligenza wrote: Sven, On 5/2/07, Sven Neuhaus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's also the biggest. It weighs almost *twice* as much as the LG Prada, despite having a smaller screen! [..cut..] The iPhone has a *much bigger* screen than the Neo1973 and it's still smaller and a lot lighter.

Re: Size and weight considerations for future Openmoko devices

2007-05-02 Thread Andreas Kostyrka
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ian Stirling wrote: Maciej Ligenza wrote: Sven, On 5/2/07, Sven Neuhaus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's also the biggest. It weighs almost *twice* as much as the LG Prada, despite having a smaller screen! [..cut..] The iPhone has a *much

Re: Size and weight considerations for future Openmoko devices

2007-05-02 Thread Carlo E. Prelz
Subject: Re: Size and weight considerations for future Openmoko devices Date: Wed 02 May 07 03:24:43PM +0200 Quoting Andreas Kostyrka ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Yes, it makes the text a tiny bit sharper, and if you bring it to 20cm from the eye, and have good eyes, you can read 80

Re: Size and weight considerations for future Openmoko devices

2007-05-02 Thread Eric Heinemann
50g is a huge difference. It is the exact difference between a RAZR and an i-mate JAM (O2 XDA mini II, Qtek S100) is exactly 50g. Having owned both, I can tell that it is a very noticable difference. I did not know the Neo1973 was that heavy. This completely changes my view of the device.

Re: Size and weight considerations for future Openmoko devices

2007-05-02 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
Dnia środa, 2 maja 2007, Andreas Kostyrka napisał: It's a smartphone, so let's compare it to smartphones: Nokia 9500: 56.9mm x 148.1mm x 23.9mm 229.9g T-mobile MDA compact III: 58.0mm x 108.0mm x 17.0mm 127.0g T-mobile Vario II:58.0mm x 113.0mm x 22.0mm 160.0g Nokia

Re: Size and weight considerations for future Openmoko devices

2007-05-02 Thread Steven **
Quoth your link: All in all, the P3300 features a typical display for a Windows Mobile-powered communicator, which doesn't stand out against the background of its rivals. It's just another Windows PDA/phone. Boring. -Steven On 5/2/07, Marcin Juszkiewicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dnia środa,

Re: Size and weight considerations for future Openmoko devices

2007-05-02 Thread Oleg Gusev
Am Mittwoch, 2. Mai 2007 19:16 schrieb Marcin Juszkiewicz: Then compare it to HTC Artemis: It has QVGA screen 2.8, cpu: omap850 200MHz, 64M ram, 128M flash. omap850 is probably the worst modern CPU for running Linux. It is slow, undocumented and uses main DRAM for the GSM operation. There

Re: Size and weight considerations for future Openmoko devices

2007-05-02 Thread Marcin Juszkiewicz
Dnia środa, 2 maja 2007, Steven ** napisał: It's just another Windows PDA/phone.  Boring. It is also small, light and have interesting input device which allow to do most of tasks with one hand. Most of current devices are boring. Neo is also huge and thick. Battery cover feel like 'I will