Re: Steve on V5 versus v6

[Ian Stirling]

Tilman Baumann wrote:

Cesar Eduardo Barros wrote:
Getting to the debug port, at least as described in the wiki, needs 
both the torx screwdriver and the guitar pick. 


Ah, so this is what the pick is for. Thx.


Remove the back
Undo the torx
Starting at the antenna end, run fingernail along the seams, with 
moderate pressure.

The nail simply pops in at one point.
Run it all the way round the circumference of the neo.
Job done.
I've never bothered getting the pick out.

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Re: Steve on V5 versus v6

[Adam Johansson]

Michael Shiloh wrote:
>
>
> Ian Darwin wrote:
>> steve wrote:
>>> Anybody can take a seam ripper to the old pouch and reverse engineer
>>> it. Hmm. That's a problem, perhaps I should have people sign EULAs
>>> to prevent
>>> pouch poaching.
>>
>> Apparently the dog you see reflected in one of Michael's preliminary
>> photos did chew up one of the pouches sent in one of his shipments.
>>
>> Giving us OpenMokos's first taste of... Pooch pouch poaching.
>
> >*Double Groan!*<
>
> Now I suppose you all want a video of my dog chewing up the pouch, right?
>
> Although I don't think her process could be considered "reverse
> engineering".
>
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The reverse engineering will most likely be the stage after the pouch
went through the digestive systems.

First post btw :)

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Re: Steve on V5 versus v6

[Jeremiah Flerchinger]

On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 12:21 PM, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> As far as the goodies in the box go. Whether it's an A5 or a A6, the box
> will the following at least.
> I'm still sorting through some issues.
>
> 1. phone.
> 2. Battery
> 3. Custom Charger
> 4. Sdcard.
> 5. Stylus.
> 6. USB cable.
>
> Sometime down the road I will pull out the Sdcard and try to put in a
> branded Neo stylus. No promises.
>
> Headset, I am working on. No promises.
>
>
> Steve
>

Is the usb cable really needed by most people?  There is bluetooth & wifi
for synching and people could always just go buy one if needed.  It's my
understanding it will be a standard mini-usb to usb.  Somehow I have at
least 5 of those sitting in my office.  Maybe just tell people in the
quickstart guide what kind of cable they'll need to attach usb peripherals
or charge from a computer.  I think that a usb cable would be easier for
people to find & buy than headphones with a specific impedance.  If the
quickstart doesn't have a recommended headphone impedance range one should
probably be added - especially since I heard some people were having issues
with low headphone volume because of the impedance.
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Re: Steve on V5 versus v6

[Michael Shiloh]

ian douglas wrote:

Ian Darwin wrote:

steve wrote:
Anybody can take a seam ripper to the old pouch and reverse engineer 
it. Hmm. That's a problem, perhaps I should have people sign EULAs to 
prevent pouch poaching.


Apparently the dog you see reflected in one of Michael's preliminary 
photos did chew up one of the pouches sent in one of his shipments.


Giving us OpenMokos's first taste of... Pooch pouch poaching.


... leaving a lovely mess in Michael's yard in the first case of pooch 
pouch poaching pooping ?


Sorry, couldn't help myself.



Oh, No! Triple Groan! When will this end???

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Re: Steve on V5 versus v6

[Michael Shiloh]

Ian Darwin wrote:

steve wrote:
Anybody can take a seam ripper to the old pouch and reverse engineer 
it. Hmm. That's a problem, perhaps I should have people sign EULAs to 
prevent

pouch poaching.


Apparently the dog you see reflected in one of Michael's preliminary 
photos did chew up one of the pouches sent in one of his shipments.


Giving us OpenMokos's first taste of... Pooch pouch poaching.


>*Double Groan!*<

Now I suppose you all want a video of my dog chewing up the pouch, right?

Although I don't think her process could be considered "reverse 
engineering".


M

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Re: Steve on V5 versus v6

[Michael Shiloh]

steve wrote:
Anybody can take a seam ripper to the old pouch and reverse engineer it. 
Hmm. That's a problem, perhaps I should have people sign EULAs to prevent

pouch poaching.


>*Groan!*<


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Re: Steve on V5 versus v6

[ian douglas]

Ian Darwin wrote:

steve wrote:
Anybody can take a seam ripper to the old pouch and reverse engineer 
it. Hmm. That's a problem, perhaps I should have people sign EULAs to 
prevent pouch poaching.


Apparently the dog you see reflected in one of Michael's preliminary 
photos did chew up one of the pouches sent in one of his shipments.


Giving us OpenMokos's first taste of... Pooch pouch poaching.


... leaving a lovely mess in Michael's yard in the first case of pooch 
pouch poaching pooping ?


Sorry, couldn't help myself.

-id

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Re: Steve on V5 versus v6

[Ian Darwin]

steve wrote:
Anybody can take a seam ripper to the old pouch and reverse engineer it. 
Hmm. That's a problem, perhaps I should have people sign EULAs to prevent

pouch poaching.


Apparently the dog you see reflected in one of Michael's preliminary 
photos did chew up one of the pouches sent in one of his shipments.


Giving us OpenMokos's first taste of... Pooch pouch poaching.

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RE: Steve on V5 versus v6

[steve]

Anybody can take a seam ripper to the old pouch and reverse engineer it. 
Hmm. That's a problem, perhaps I should have people sign EULAs to prevent
pouch poaching.

hehe.

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To: List for Openmoko community discussion
Subject: RE: Steve on V5 versus v6

On Sun, 20 Apr 2008, steve wrote:

> The pouch, alas, did not fit into the box. When Michael gets his photos
> done, or my spawn get their video done, then you will see that we have
> greatly reduced the size of the box. Partly for aesthetics, and partly to
> create a product where I could pack 10 phones boxes in a bigger box, and
> then ship that bigger box efficiently. So, I had to optimize some things.
> 
> Now, I realize that people want accessories.  So As this launch gets going
> I'll put together some ideas, for accessory packs 
> 
> Fundamentally, I would rather that some community member build a business
> around this. Our marketing materials are open source. So, you can build
> your own pouches, use our brand, and make a business from accessories.  

No, no, you should include a sewing pattern for the official pouch in the 
box. It would be neat to have an official Openmoko pouch for your phone, 
but it would be even better if that pouch was handmade by each owner for 
their own phone. Especially if the instructions have configuration 
options.

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RE: Steve on V5 versus v6

[steve]

I am headed to the hospital. I need stitches in tongue.

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> No, no, you should include a sewing pattern for the official pouch in the 
> box. It would be neat to have an official Openmoko pouch for your phone, 
> but it would be even better if that pouch was handmade by each owner for 
> their own phone. Especially if the instructions have configuration 
> options.

CAD files, we want CAD files for the pouch, so we can machine-cut them!!

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RE: Steve on V5 versus v6

[steve]

yes, is my favorite word

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Sadleir
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Subject: Re: Steve on V5 versus v6

There's vector (EPS format?) logos and the conditions for using them
on the wiki; http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Trademark_Policy

Note that for most community purposes (creating software or community
webpages) the artwork is free to use but explicit permission is
required for several cases including "Any commercial use" and "Use for
merchandising purposes, e.g. on t-shirts and the like.".

On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Paul Jimenez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  Related to making openmoko gear - is there vector art of the logo
>  somewhere? I checked the wiki and couldn't find a reference, and checked
>  downloads.openmoko.com and again came up empty. Inquiring minds want to
>  know! Also, if it is published, we'd probably want some kind of license
>  to use it that we could show to the printer/manufacturer we wanted to
use...
>
>  My personal idea was to talk to the guys at skoobadesign(.com)
>  and see what kind of surchage there'd be to get a moko-branded small
>  RAPS to use as a pouch since the moko's not going to ship with one.
>
>  What's Openmoko's stance on the community using thier logo, maybe even
>  creating "Openmoko branded" items?
>
>   --pj
>
>
>
>
>  On Monday, Apr 21, 2008, Michael Shiloh writes:
>  >
>  >
>  >Daniel Barkalow wrote:
>  >> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008, steve wrote:
>  >>
>  >>> The pouch, alas, did not fit into the box. When Michael gets his
photos
>  >>> done, or my spawn get their video done, then you will see that we
have
>  >>> greatly reduced the size of the box. Partly for aesthetics, and
partly to
>  >>> create a product where I could pack 10 phones boxes in a bigger box,
and
>  >>> then ship that bigger box efficiently. So, I had to optimize some
things.
>  >>>
>  >>> Now, I realize that people want accessories.  So As this launch gets
going
>  >>> I'll put together some ideas, for accessory packs
>  >>>
>  >>> Fundamentally, I would rather that some community member build a
business
>  >>> around this. Our marketing materials are open source. So, you can
build
>  >>> your own pouches, use our brand, and make a business from
accessories.
>  >>
>  >> No, no, you should include a sewing pattern for the official pouch in
the
>  >> box. It would be neat to have an official Openmoko pouch for your
phone,
>  >> but it would be even better if that pouch was handmade by each owner
for
>  >> their own phone. Especially if the instructions have configuration
>  >> options.
>  >
>  >
>  >It's all open, dude. I invite any of you to create a sewing pattern for
>  >an Openmoko pouch.
>  >
>  >Michael
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Re: Steve on V5 versus v6

[Tilman Baumann]

Cesar Eduardo Barros wrote:
Getting to the debug port, at least as described in the wiki, needs both 
the torx screwdriver and the guitar pick. 


Ah, so this is what the pick is for. Thx.


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Re: Steve on V5 versus v6

[Cesar Eduardo Barros]

Tilman Baumann escreveu:

Antoine Reid wrote:
Don't you need to open the case to insert the battery, the SIM card 
and the SD card?   Or am I mistaken here? Do you need to remove 
another panel to get to the debug board connector?


This was at least so with the Neo 1973.

The battery, SIM and MMC compartment is easily to open with bare 
fingers. (Really, you don't need the guitar pick)
If you lost your fingernails in a horrible freak accident or any other 
reason, you could use anything else thin. :)


Going down to the debug port needs a torx screwdriver anyway.

The guitar pick is a nice nerdy idea. But completely useless. *g*


Getting to the debug port, at least as described in the wiki, needs both 
the torx screwdriver and the guitar pick. You are opening the front 
cover for that, not the back cover (which can be opened with your 
fingers alone, and is where the battery is). See 
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Disassembling_Neo1973#Carefully_remove_top_cover 
for the details.


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Re: Steve on V5 versus v6

[Tilman Baumann]

Antoine Reid wrote:


On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 8:43 AM, Cesar Eduardo Barros <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


Dylan Semler escreveu:

Wait, no guitar pick?


Shouldn't you get the guitar pick with the debug board, since its
main use is to plug the debug board? It makes more sense than
putting it in the phone box.


Don't you need to open the case to insert the battery, the SIM card and 
the SD card?   Or am I mistaken here? Do you need to remove another 
panel to get to the debug board connector?


This was at least so with the Neo 1973.

The battery, SIM and MMC compartment is easily to open with bare 
fingers. (Really, you don't need the guitar pick)
If you lost your fingernails in a horrible freak accident or any other 
reason, you could use anything else thin. :)


Going down to the debug port needs a torx screwdriver anyway.

The guitar pick is a nice nerdy idea. But completely useless. *g*

Regards
 Tilman

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Re: Steve on V5 versus v6

[Antoine Reid]

On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 8:43 AM, Cesar Eduardo Barros <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Dylan Semler escreveu:
>
> > Wait, no guitar pick?
> >
>
> Shouldn't you get the guitar pick with the debug board, since its main use
> is to plug the debug board? It makes more sense than putting it in the phone
> box.
>
> This, of course, leads to a separate question: what will ship in the debug
> board's box? It should have more free space in the box, since the board is
> smaller than the phone.
>
> --
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>


Don't you need to open the case to insert the battery, the SIM card and the
SD card?   Or am I mistaken here? Do you need to remove another panel to get
to the debug board connector?


Antoine



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Re: Steve on V5 versus v6

[Cesar Eduardo Barros]

Dylan Semler escreveu:

Wait, no guitar pick?


Shouldn't you get the guitar pick with the debug board, since its main 
use is to plug the debug board? It makes more sense than putting it in 
the phone box.


This, of course, leads to a separate question: what will ship in the 
debug board's box? It should have more free space in the box, since the 
board is smaller than the phone.


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Re: Steve on V5 versus v6

[Alex "Maxious" Sadleir]

There's vector (EPS format?) logos and the conditions for using them
on the wiki; http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Trademark_Policy

Note that for most community purposes (creating software or community
webpages) the artwork is free to use but explicit permission is
required for several cases including "Any commercial use" and "Use for
merchandising purposes, e.g. on t-shirts and the like.".

On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Paul Jimenez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  Related to making openmoko gear - is there vector art of the logo
>  somewhere? I checked the wiki and couldn't find a reference, and checked
>  downloads.openmoko.com and again came up empty. Inquiring minds want to
>  know! Also, if it is published, we'd probably want some kind of license
>  to use it that we could show to the printer/manufacturer we wanted to use...
>
>  My personal idea was to talk to the guys at skoobadesign(.com)
>  and see what kind of surchage there'd be to get a moko-branded small
>  RAPS to use as a pouch since the moko's not going to ship with one.
>
>  What's Openmoko's stance on the community using thier logo, maybe even
>  creating "Openmoko branded" items?
>
>   --pj
>
>
>
>
>  On Monday, Apr 21, 2008, Michael Shiloh writes:
>  >
>  >
>  >Daniel Barkalow wrote:
>  >> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008, steve wrote:
>  >>
>  >>> The pouch, alas, did not fit into the box. When Michael gets his photos
>  >>> done, or my spawn get their video done, then you will see that we have
>  >>> greatly reduced the size of the box. Partly for aesthetics, and partly to
>  >>> create a product where I could pack 10 phones boxes in a bigger box, and
>  >>> then ship that bigger box efficiently. So, I had to optimize some things.
>  >>>
>  >>> Now, I realize that people want accessories.  So As this launch gets 
> going
>  >>> I'll put together some ideas, for accessory packs
>  >>>
>  >>> Fundamentally, I would rather that some community member build a business
>  >>> around this. Our marketing materials are open source. So, you can build
>  >>> your own pouches, use our brand, and make a business from accessories.
>  >>
>  >> No, no, you should include a sewing pattern for the official pouch in the
>  >> box. It would be neat to have an official Openmoko pouch for your phone,
>  >> but it would be even better if that pouch was handmade by each owner for
>  >> their own phone. Especially if the instructions have configuration
>  >> options.
>  >
>  >
>  >It's all open, dude. I invite any of you to create a sewing pattern for
>  >an Openmoko pouch.
>  >
>  >Michael
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Re: Steve on V5 versus v6

[Paul Jimenez]

Related to making openmoko gear - is there vector art of the logo
somewhere? I checked the wiki and couldn't find a reference, and checked
downloads.openmoko.com and again came up empty. Inquiring minds want to
know! Also, if it is published, we'd probably want some kind of license
to use it that we could show to the printer/manufacturer we wanted to use... 

My personal idea was to talk to the guys at skoobadesign(.com)
and see what kind of surchage there'd be to get a moko-branded small
RAPS to use as a pouch since the moko's not going to ship with one.

What's Openmoko's stance on the community using thier logo, maybe even
creating "Openmoko branded" items?

  --pj


On Monday, Apr 21, 2008, Michael Shiloh writes:
>
>
>Daniel Barkalow wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008, steve wrote:
>> 
>>> The pouch, alas, did not fit into the box. When Michael gets his photos
>>> done, or my spawn get their video done, then you will see that we have
>>> greatly reduced the size of the box. Partly for aesthetics, and partly to
>>> create a product where I could pack 10 phones boxes in a bigger box, and
>>> then ship that bigger box efficiently. So, I had to optimize some things.
>>>
>>> Now, I realize that people want accessories.  So As this launch gets going
>>> I'll put together some ideas, for accessory packs 
>>>
>>> Fundamentally, I would rather that some community member build a business
>>> around this. Our marketing materials are open source. So, you can build
>>> your own pouches, use our brand, and make a business from accessories.  
>> 
>> No, no, you should include a sewing pattern for the official pouch in the 
>> box. It would be neat to have an official Openmoko pouch for your phone, 
>> but it would be even better if that pouch was handmade by each owner for 
>> their own phone. Especially if the instructions have configuration 
>> options.
>
>
>It's all open, dude. I invite any of you to create a sewing pattern for 
>an Openmoko pouch.
>
>Michael
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Re: Steve on V5 versus v6

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

steve wrote:

The phone fits snuggly in a bed of foam, carved precisely to fit its form.


Well, looking at the photos taken by Michael (coverOffTrayRemoved*.jpg 
and coverTrayTriangle*.jpg first of all) it seems that under the phone's 
bed of foam there's enough space for "pushing" a pouch, isn't it?
And what about not shipping all the kinds of plugs (most of us would 
need only the one used in their country)?



But I like you Marco, So send me your address on my openmoko mail.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

I give you my pouch. 


Many thanks! I've sent my address, anyway I hope all the Freerunner 
buyers will get one :).


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Re: Steve on V5 versus v6

[Ian Darwin]

> No, no, you should include a sewing pattern for the official pouch in the 
> box. It would be neat to have an official Openmoko pouch for your phone, 
> but it would be even better if that pouch was handmade by each owner for 
> their own phone. Especially if the instructions have configuration 
> options.

CAD files, we want CAD files for the pouch, so we can machine-cut them!!

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Re: Steve on V5 versus v6

[Michael Shiloh]

Daniel Barkalow wrote:

On Sun, 20 Apr 2008, steve wrote:


The pouch, alas, did not fit into the box. When Michael gets his photos
done, or my spawn get their video done, then you will see that we have
greatly reduced the size of the box. Partly for aesthetics, and partly to
create a product where I could pack 10 phones boxes in a bigger box, and
then ship that bigger box efficiently. So, I had to optimize some things.

Now, I realize that people want accessories.  So As this launch gets going
I'll put together some ideas, for accessory packs 


Fundamentally, I would rather that some community member build a business
around this. Our marketing materials are open source. So, you can build
your own pouches, use our brand, and make a business from accessories.  


No, no, you should include a sewing pattern for the official pouch in the 
box. It would be neat to have an official Openmoko pouch for your phone, 
but it would be even better if that pouch was handmade by each owner for 
their own phone. Especially if the instructions have configuration 
options.



It's all open, dude. I invite any of you to create a sewing pattern for 
an Openmoko pouch.


Michael

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RE: Steve on V5 versus v6

[Daniel Barkalow]

On Sun, 20 Apr 2008, steve wrote:

> The pouch, alas, did not fit into the box. When Michael gets his photos
> done, or my spawn get their video done, then you will see that we have
> greatly reduced the size of the box. Partly for aesthetics, and partly to
> create a product where I could pack 10 phones boxes in a bigger box, and
> then ship that bigger box efficiently. So, I had to optimize some things.
> 
> Now, I realize that people want accessories.  So As this launch gets going
> I'll put together some ideas, for accessory packs 
> 
> Fundamentally, I would rather that some community member build a business
> around this. Our marketing materials are open source. So, you can build
> your own pouches, use our brand, and make a business from accessories.  

No, no, you should include a sewing pattern for the official pouch in the 
box. It would be neat to have an official Openmoko pouch for your phone, 
but it would be even better if that pouch was handmade by each owner for 
their own phone. Especially if the instructions have configuration 
options.

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Re: Steve on V5 versus v6

[Steven Kurylo]

> > I would like to see the pouch in the package, too :(
> >
>
> Que "but the majority of users never use a pouch" and "you'd be better off
> using a $30 iPod sock" responses.

Who would say suchs things?

Of course I think you *MUST* fit a pony in the box.  The freerunner
will never be popular without a pony.  I got a pony with my last phone
and everyone wants a pony!  Also you can get much cheaper ponies in
Asia then I can around here.  So those who don´t want a pony can throw
it in the bin or turn it into dinner.

Also buying a non-openmoko pony just isn´t the same thing.  Even if I
can use the openmoko logo to brand the pony myself...

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On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 2:28 AM, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Fundamentally, I would rather that some community member build a business
>  around this. Our marketing materials are open source. So, you can build
>  your own pouches, use our brand, and make a business from accessories.
>

.. thats a great idea.. wow... i'm impressed that a company has the
guts to promote this kind of ideas. Congratulations :D


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On 20 Apr 2008, at 23:59, Sebastian Reichel wrote:

No pouch (better if openmoko brandized), btw? :(


I would like to see the pouch in the package, too :(


Que "but the majority of users never use a pouch" and "you'd be  
better off using a $30 iPod sock" responses.


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[steve]

The phone fits snuggly in a bed of foam, carved precisely to fit its form.

No room for pouch!

But I like you Marco, So send me your address on my openmoko mail.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

I give you my pouch. 

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To: community@lists.openmoko.org
Subject: Re: Steve on V5 versus v6

steve ha scritto:
> The pouch, alas, did not fit into the box.

Please, put there a little, small, but nice openmoko pouch!
Without seeing the box it's hard to talk, but maybe if you put the phone 
inside the pouch itself when you handle the box, maybe you can gain some 
space...

> Now, I realize that people want accessories.  So As this launch gets going
> I'll put together some ideas, for accessory packs 

Ok, thanks...! The pouch thing, anyway, it isn't just a request of an 
accessory: we'd like to have a pouch that fits well our phone, that 
protects it against the daily usage and that "spams" out a little openmoko!

If I should think to a commercial pouch to be used with Freerunner, 
well, I've no idea! Unfortunately I neither can wait that someone of us 
would start selling an "unofficial" openmoko pouch, since I want protect 
my phone as soon as I've it out of the box!

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Re: Steve on V5 versus v6

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

steve ha scritto:

The pouch, alas, did not fit into the box.


Please, put there a little, small, but nice openmoko pouch!
Without seeing the box it's hard to talk, but maybe if you put the phone 
inside the pouch itself when you handle the box, maybe you can gain some 
space...



Now, I realize that people want accessories.  So As this launch gets going
I'll put together some ideas, for accessory packs 


Ok, thanks...! The pouch thing, anyway, it isn't just a request of an 
accessory: we'd like to have a pouch that fits well our phone, that 
protects it against the daily usage and that "spams" out a little openmoko!


If I should think to a commercial pouch to be used with Freerunner, 
well, I've no idea! Unfortunately I neither can wait that someone of us 
would start selling an "unofficial" openmoko pouch, since I want protect 
my phone as soon as I've it out of the box!


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RE: Steve on V5 versus v6

[steve]

Michael and I are talking about using the pouch as a give away in certain
venues. 

But I had to optimize to get the price down to the level I thought people
deserved. 

I'll look into it, The lanyard is also out and I know that maddog will chew
my butt because he loves it.

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 4:00 PM
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Subject: Re: Steve on V5 versus v6

Am Montag, den 21.04.2008, 00:28 +0200 schrieb "Marco Trevisan
(Treviño)":
> steve wrote:
> > As far as the goodies in the box go. Whether it's an A5 or a A6, the box
> > will the following at least.
> > I'm still sorting through some issues.
> > 
> > 1. phone.
> > 2. Battery
> > 3. Custom Charger
> > 4. Sdcard.
> > 5. Stylus.
> > 6. USB cable.
> > 
> > Sometime down the road I will pull out the Sdcard and try to put in a
> > branded Neo stylus. No promises.
> 
> No pouch (better if openmoko brandized), btw? :(
> 

I would like to see the pouch in the package, too :(


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[steve]

The pouch, alas, did not fit into the box. When Michael gets his photos
done, or my spawn get their video done, then you will see that we have
greatly reduced the size of the box. Partly for aesthetics, and partly to
create a product where I could pack 10 phones boxes in a bigger box, and
then ship that bigger box efficiently. So, I had to optimize some things.

Now, I realize that people want accessories.  So As this launch gets going
I'll put together some ideas, for accessory packs 

Fundamentally, I would rather that some community member build a business
around this. Our marketing materials are open source. So, you can build
your own pouches, use our brand, and make a business from accessories.  

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To: community@lists.openmoko.org
Subject: Re: Steve on V5 versus v6

steve wrote:
> As far as the goodies in the box go. Whether it's an A5 or a A6, the box
> will the following at least.
> I'm still sorting through some issues.
> 
> 1. phone.
> 2. Battery
> 3. Custom Charger
> 4. Sdcard.
> 5. Stylus.
> 6. USB cable.
> 
> Sometime down the road I will pull out the Sdcard and try to put in a
> branded Neo stylus. No promises.

No pouch (better if openmoko brandized), btw? :(

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Re: Steve on V5 versus v6

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I would like to have it in the Box, too. When it is not, is it 
purchasable anywhere else?


Greetings Bastian

Sebastian Reichel schrieb:
| Am Montag, den 21.04.2008, 00:28 +0200 schrieb "Marco Trevisan
| (Treviño)":
|> steve wrote:
|>> As far as the goodies in the box go. Whether it's an A5 or a A6, the box
|>> will the following at least.
|>> I'm still sorting through some issues.
|>>
|>> 1. phone.
|>> 2. Battery
|>> 3. Custom Charger
|>> 4. Sdcard.
|>> 5. Stylus.
|>> 6. USB cable.
|>>
|>> Sometime down the road I will pull out the Sdcard and try to put in a
|>> branded Neo stylus. No promises.
|> No pouch (better if openmoko brandized), btw? :(
|>
|
| I would like to see the pouch in the package, too :(
|
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Re: Steve on V5 versus v6

[Sebastian Reichel]

Am Montag, den 21.04.2008, 00:28 +0200 schrieb "Marco Trevisan
(Treviño)":
> steve wrote:
> > As far as the goodies in the box go. Whether it's an A5 or a A6, the box
> > will the following at least.
> > I'm still sorting through some issues.
> > 
> > 1. phone.
> > 2. Battery
> > 3. Custom Charger
> > 4. Sdcard.
> > 5. Stylus.
> > 6. USB cable.
> > 
> > Sometime down the road I will pull out the Sdcard and try to put in a
> > branded Neo stylus. No promises.
> 
> No pouch (better if openmoko brandized), btw? :(
> 

I would like to see the pouch in the package, too :(


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Re: Steve on V5 versus v6

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

steve wrote:

As far as the goodies in the box go. Whether it's an A5 or a A6, the box
will the following at least.
I'm still sorting through some issues.

1. phone.
2. Battery
3. Custom Charger
4. Sdcard.
5. Stylus.
6. USB cable.

Sometime down the road I will pull out the Sdcard and try to put in a
branded Neo stylus. No promises.


No pouch (better if openmoko brandized), btw? :(

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[steve]

The Guitar pick story is funny. remind me later and I will tell you  

 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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We're all going to die!!!

On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 6:23 PM, Dylan Semler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 2:21 PM, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


As far as the goodies in the box go. Whether it's an A5 or a A6, the box
will the following at least.
I'm still sorting through some issues.

1. phone.
2. Battery
3. Custom Charger
4. Sdcard.
5. Stylus.
6. USB cable.


Wait, no guitar pick? 




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We're all going to die!!!

On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 6:23 PM, Dylan Semler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 2:21 PM, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > As far as the goodies in the box go. Whether it's an A5 or a A6, the box
> > will the following at least.
> > I'm still sorting through some issues.
> >
> > 1. phone.
> > 2. Battery
> > 3. Custom Charger
> > 4. Sdcard.
> > 5. Stylus.
> > 6. USB cable.
> >
> >
> Wait, no guitar pick?
>
>
>
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On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 2:21 PM, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> As far as the goodies in the box go. Whether it's an A5 or a A6, the box
> will the following at least.
> I'm still sorting through some issues.
>
> 1. phone.
> 2. Battery
> 3. Custom Charger
> 4. Sdcard.
> 5. Stylus.
> 6. USB cable.
>
>
Wait, no guitar pick?



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Re: Steve on V5 versus v6

[thomasg]

Give us some information 'bout the power glitches and I'll be happy.
Stayin' tuned - thomasg
thx.

On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 8:21 PM, steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> First some clarification. I have a totally different understanding of the
> LED situation.
> So let me check with folks before clarifying.
>
> In any case, I will find out the information on the real differences.  And
> also if any apps actually use the LEDS.
>
> I know some of the a5/a6 changes were made just to make it easier for us
> to
> build.
>
> As far as the goodies in the box go. Whether it's an A5 or a A6, the box
> will the following at least.
> I'm still sorting through some issues.
>
> 1. phone.
> 2. Battery
> 3. Custom Charger
> 4. Sdcard.
> 5. Stylus.
> 6. USB cable.
>
> Sometime down the road I will pull out the Sdcard and try to put in a
> branded Neo stylus. No promises.
>
> Headset, I am working on. No promises.
>
>
> Steve
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pietro "m0nt0"
> Montorfano
> Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 8:49 AM
> To: List for Openmoko community discussion
> Subject: Re: Don't ship GTA02v5 without the rework
>
> Marco Trevisan (Treviño) ha scritto:
> > I agree... There's also another issue to consider: in the marketing
> > threads it was said that the first "thousands phones" will have more
> > goods in their box, so this makes me think that only people buying a
> > v5 will get these things.
> >
> > My personal position is now quite singular, since I'd like to get the
> > best hardware I can (since I know there's it already) but I also need
> > a phone (but with good power management and so good daily usage) as
> > soon as I can.
> >
> >
>
> Well, for me it's important to have a good hardware, if it has some known
> issue i would prefer that they sould be solved, if this LED bug could be
> fixed with a simple transistor replacement, this transistor is in the
> GTA02v5 box and it's possible for a normal guy with a little soldering
> skills to replace this transistor it's not a problem (read something like
> "if i can do that it's ok :D").
> If the issue is something that can't be solved it's something that goes
> opposite of what is GTA02 for, a solid hardware platform.
> "Every commercial product has bug" it's not a good point.
>
> I'll buy it if it's fixable, waiting for a word from OM :D
>
> Cya!
>
> Pietro
> (Despite everything i really like the OM approach!! Go Go OM Guys and
> remember, may the source be with you!! :D)
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Steve on V5 versus v6

[steve]

 
First some clarification. I have a totally different understanding of the
LED situation. 
So let me check with folks before clarifying.

In any case, I will find out the information on the real differences.  And
also if any apps actually use the LEDS.

I know some of the a5/a6 changes were made just to make it easier for us to
build.

As far as the goodies in the box go. Whether it's an A5 or a A6, the box
will the following at least.
I'm still sorting through some issues.

1. phone.
2. Battery
3. Custom Charger
4. Sdcard.
5. Stylus.
6. USB cable.

Sometime down the road I will pull out the Sdcard and try to put in a
branded Neo stylus. No promises.

Headset, I am working on. No promises.


Steve

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Subject: Re: Don't ship GTA02v5 without the rework

Marco Trevisan (Treviño) ha scritto:
> I agree... There's also another issue to consider: in the marketing 
> threads it was said that the first "thousands phones" will have more 
> goods in their box, so this makes me think that only people buying a 
> v5 will get these things.
> 
> My personal position is now quite singular, since I'd like to get the 
> best hardware I can (since I know there's it already) but I also need 
> a phone (but with good power management and so good daily usage) as 
> soon as I can.
> 
> 

Well, for me it's important to have a good hardware, if it has some known
issue i would prefer that they sould be solved, if this LED bug could be
fixed with a simple transistor replacement, this transistor is in the
GTA02v5 box and it's possible for a normal guy with a little soldering
skills to replace this transistor it's not a problem (read something like
"if i can do that it's ok :D").
If the issue is something that can't be solved it's something that goes
opposite of what is GTA02 for, a solid hardware platform.
"Every commercial product has bug" it's not a good point.

I'll buy it if it's fixable, waiting for a word from OM :D

Cya!

Pietro
(Despite everything i really like the OM approach!! Go Go OM Guys and
remember, may the source be with you!! :D)

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