Re: [OT] breaking thread MUA (WAS:Re: TSM30 source found!)
Dmitry Chistikov dd1em...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sure your skills are strong enough to improve your MUA, i.e., to teach it how to insert proper References:/In-Reply-To:. Could you devote a small amount of your time to this thing? I'm quite convinced that all of your correspondents, including people reading this mailing list, will *greatly* appreciate this. How about this: you get me a copy of the GTA02 moko firmware semi- source, and I'll reciprocate by making the requested MUA improvement a high-priority project. Does that sound like a deal? MS ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT] breaking thread MUA (WAS:Re: TSM30 source found!)
On 10/04/2011 09:36 AM, Michael Sokolov wrote: I'm sure your skills are strong enough to improve your MUA, i.e., to teach it how to insert proper References:/In-Reply-To:. Could you devote a small amount of your time to this thing? I'm quite convinced that all of your correspondents, including people reading this mailing list, will *greatly* appreciate this. How about this: you get me a copy of the GTA02 moko firmware semi- source, and I'll reciprocate by making the requested MUA improvement a high-priority project. Does that sound like a deal? It sounds like an ugly trolling. You are using broken MUA, incompatible with 30-yrs old RFC, making problem for consistent reading of your threads and asking for bonuses to fix this ugly behavior. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT] breaking thread MUA (WAS:Re: TSM30 source found!)
Unfortunately not. I cannot / will not use a modern mail client. For personal reasons which I *will not go into*. well, the ochrana already knows about you, you know? *scnr* ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT] breaking thread MUA (WAS:Re: TSM30 source found!)
El 04/10/11 13:44, arne anka escribió: Unfortunately not. I cannot / will not use a modern mail client. For personal reasons which I *will not go into*. well, the ochrana already knows about you, you know? *scnr* Haha. It was funny but please, let's not start a flame. Cheers Kosa ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT] breaking thread MUA (WAS:Re: TSM30 source found!)
Michael Sokolov, Sep. 30, 2011, 19:14 +: That's right, it doesn't. It is 30 y old and well predates those conventions. [...] I cannot / will not use a modern mail client. For personal reasons which I *will not go into*. I'm sure your skills are strong enough to improve your MUA, i.e., to teach it how to insert proper References:/In-Reply-To:. Could you devote a small amount of your time to this thing? I'm quite convinced that all of your correspondents, including people reading this mailing list, will *greatly* appreciate this. (For me, reading broken threads is a rather unpleasant activity, and so it may be for a significant fraction of the community at large.) Thank you. -- Dmitry Chistikov ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT] breaking thread MUA (WAS:Re: TSM30 source found!)
Dmitry Chistikov, Oct. 02, 2011, 00:33 +0400: Michael Sokolov, Sep. 30, 2011, 19:14 +: That's right, it doesn't. It is 30 y old and well predates those conventions. [...] (For me, reading broken threads is a rather unpleasant activity, and so it may be for a significant fraction of the community at large.) Another bit, JFYI. RFC 2822 says: RFC reply messages SHOULD have In-Reply-To: and References: fields (the meaning of SHOULD is described in RFC 2119). Actually, I'm quite surprised that your mail client, even if 30-year-old, does not insert these fields, since they were described in RFC 724 as early as in 1979. -- Dmitry Chistikov ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[OT] breaking thread MUA (WAS:Re: TSM30 source found!)
[cut] Learning curve: never worked with torrents and no time to learn right now. Michael, it seems that your MUA is breaking the thread of these messages. Or is it mine (Evolution)? Brian's and Corey's messages are displayed fine according to threaded view, but all yours are displayed at the top. Could you do something with that? -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT] breaking thread MUA (WAS:Re: TSM30 source found!)
Same here with Claws-Mail. His mail client does not put the In-Reply-To: and References: in the mail header. On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 11:44:12 +0200 Patryk Benderz patryk.bend...@esp.pl wrote: [cut] Learning curve: never worked with torrents and no time to learn right now. Michael, it seems that your MUA is breaking the thread of these messages. Or is it mine (Evolution)? Brian's and Corey's messages are displayed fine according to threaded view, but all yours are displayed at the top. Could you do something with that? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT] breaking thread MUA (WAS:Re: TSM30 source found!)
SZENTE =?UTF-8?B?QsOhbGludA==?= bal...@szentedwg.ro wrote: Same here with Claws-Mail. His mail client does not put the In-Reply-To: and References: in the mail header. That's right, it doesn't. It is 30 y old and well predates those conventions. Patryk Benderz patryk.bend...@esp.pl wrote: Could you do something with that? Unfortunately not. I cannot / will not use a modern mail client. For personal reasons which I *will not go into*. MS ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
TSM30 source found!
Hello again everyone, I am pleased to announce that a very helpful comrade has pointed me to a website containing the TSM30 source I was looking for, the same one which I've been told had been sitting openly on SourceForge for a whopping 5 y before being taken down. I have downloaded the huge file (500 MiB) and verified its integrity. Notes: 1. Per my promise and per my general practice, I will not reveal the identify of the comrade who has provided me with the ware; 2. Being unsure as to whose server that site is hosted on, I won't share the download link either. However, my benefactor has not made any requests that I refrain from sharing the ware itself, hence I will share the big file publicly via my own server (physically housed in my own personal datacenter and using a domain name owned by me). 3. The 500 MiB file is far too big for my current VAX FTP server. Therefore, while I do intend on publishing the file via FTP, it won't happen immediately. Instead it will have to wait until I set up a new server running on newer HW (bigger disks) and using a better ftpd. Setting up that new server has been my plan for a long time now, I just need to get around to it. MS ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TSM30 source found!
[cut] 3. The 500 MiB file is far too big for my current VAX FTP server. Therefore, while I do intend on publishing the file via FTP, it won't happen immediately. Instead it will have to wait until I set up a new server running on newer HW (bigger disks) and using a better ftpd. Apart of legal aspects, why don't you just make it a torrent and let all who want to host it? This is very efficient way to spread big files over the net. -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TSM30 source found!
On Thursday, September 29, 2011 01:45:17 PM Patryk Benderz wrote: Apart of legal aspects, why don't you just make it a torrent and let all who want to host it? This is very efficient way to spread big files over the net. I'm similarly confused as to why he doesn't just send an email to the list pointing to the url of the website from which the file is already being hosted: On Thursday, September 29, 2011 08:50:03 AM Michael Sokolov wrote: a very helpful comrade has pointed me to a website containing the TSM30 source I was looking for ... is this some secret darknet website that only a few privileged elite have access to or something? All that talk of Bad Guys withholding information earlier... and now... you're witholding information and acting like some sort of middle-man to the source you wanted 'liberated' so badly. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TSM30 source found!
On Thursday, September 29, 2011 06:57:09 PM Michael Sokolov wrote: If the person who has given me the secret URL emails me and tells me that s/he does not object to that URL being posted on the list, I will promptly do so. But I won't be able to do that otherwise, as the risk of compromising the identity of a comrade would be too great. This comrade of yours... is incapable of simply posting here to the list anonymously? I just don't understand why you're the middle-man in such a very simple situation. To Michael's correspondent: it'd be _somewhat_ more transparent and trustworthy were you to communicate (anonymously) here to the list, rather than indirectly via Michael as an agent. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TSM30 source found!
My 2 cents: If you don't want the software, don't download it. Michael, thanks for making it available. I will probably download it and look at it because I am curious, I am very busy so that's probably all I will do. I have been in the situation Michael described - I had a copy of source for a nice paint program that I wrote, but it was owned by a former employer. The company changed hands a couple times, the product was discontinued, but technically the software was not mine. I ended up throwing it all away. So much human creativity and effort just goes into the waste bin because it is intellectual property. If I had a religion this would be a sin. Excuse me, Michael did you say VAX server? :-) Once you replace it what will you do with the extra floor space? The savings on your electric bill would pay for a virtual server in the Cloud. -- Brian Wilson Corvallis Oregon ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: TSM30 source found!
Brian Wilson br...@wildsong.biz wrote: Excuse me, Michael did you say VAX server? :-) Yes, I maintain several VAXen here: http://ifctfvax.Harhan.ORG/Quasijarus/ One is the FTP server, another is my mail server, plus other machines and functions. Once you replace it Who said replace? I will *never* give up my VAXen! My plan is simply to set up an additional box and make it the primary FTP server. The savings on your electric bill would pay for a virtual server in the Cloud. No thanks. I want nothing to do with clouds. I will not put myself and my work at the mercy of someone else's TOS/AUP. I run and host everything I care about on my own physical hardware which stays in my own physical custody in my own personal datacenter on my own soil which I have declared to be my own nation. It's a TOS-free zone here. MS ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
