Re: The actual release date of NEO1973
On 6/6/07 6:07 PM, De Villiers, Jaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you please tell me if you will be shipping to South Africa when the phone is released ? Also , at what time can we expect the phone to be released ? September ? Or closer to 2008 ? Thank you for your time We don't have these phones for sale yet. Please signup for our announce mailing list and we'll notify you as soon as we're ready. -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Salve Harald! Harald Welte schrieb am Sonntag, den 11. Februar 2007 um 22:21h: On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 04:05:03PM +0100, Sven Neuhaus wrote: Any news on this? I'm not holding by breath for 4GB, but has 2GB been confirmed? Sandisk 2GB SDSDQU-2048-E10M works just fine. Thank you for this good news :) I don't want be unfair by talking about more memory, I'm just intersted in the spezification of the Neo1973 - knowing about limitation of v1 does not mean that it limited the real big step OpenMoko/Neo1973 as first free GSM phone will bring into the live - it doesn't matter if we can use 2 or 4 GB cards - even with 1 GB cards or even without memory cards, OpenMoko/Neo1973 has high potential to do things - with more security - more privatcy - better - more fun... But BTW memory cards, SanDisk anounced today in Barcelona the first 4 GB microSDHC: [...] SanDisk is now sampling the new 4GB microSDHC card to OEMs such as major phone manufacturers and mobile network operators (MNOs). Engineering samples are now available for evaluation, as mobile phone makers will need to upgrade the firmware in their handsets so that memory slots can support the new card. SDHC is the new designation for any SD(TM) or SD-based card that is larger than 2GB and adheres to the new SD 2.00 specification that is required for cards and hosts to support 4GB to 32GB capacities. The specification was developed by the SD Association, an industry standards board, which also defined three speed classes for speed and performance capabilities. These cards adhere to the SD Speed Class 2 Rating specification which defines a minimum sustained transfer speed for SDHC cards. Retail release of the card is planned for later in 2007. OEM pricing has not been determined yet. [...] http://www.sandisk.com/Corporate/PressRoom/PressReleases/PressRelease.aspx?ID=3711 So microSD cards with 4GB or more are based on SDHC, and the SD standards are not so open that writing drivers would be possible to everybody - right? Wasn't it your meritoriousness, Harald, that the SD driver from TomTom becomes public? To avoid speculations and hopes, is it clear today, that phase-1-Neo1973s/phase-2-Neo1973s will have a limited of microSD cards to 2GB? Or not? Is it realy a firmware/driver only task, so that phase-1-Neos could be upgraded to use SDHC later? Best wishes! rob ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Great ;) Re: Storage + Re: The actual release date of NEO1973
Hello. On Mon, 2007-02-12 at 19:38, Robert Michel wrote: So microSD cards with 4GB or more are based on SDHC, and the SD standards are not so open that writing drivers would be possible to everybody - right? The simplified SD sstandard also covers SDHC. Plain linux kernel already has SDHC support. IIRC the patches are in 2.6.20 Is it realy a firmware/driver only task, so that phase-1-Neos could be upgraded to use SDHC later? The controller also has to support SDHC. Not sure about the one on our SoC. I would guess it can do SDHC, but I'm not sure. To lazy to search for spec right now. :) regards Stefan Schmidt signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Storage + Re: The actual release date of NEO1973
On Mon, Feb 05, 2007 at 04:05:03PM +0100, Sven Neuhaus wrote: Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: On 1/12/07 4:53 PM, Mikko Rauhala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Incidentally, I'm also interested in the official word, if any, on the new 4G micro-SDs. I _was_ glad to see Sean's micro-SD can go to 2GB now. (Or that's what my vendors tell me) comment, though I would be more comfortable if FIC themselves verify that 2GB micro-SDs do, in fact, work, what with all the scary rumours about the SOC 1G limitation applying to SDs too. (Vendors... ;] ) I'm out of the country now, but I will ask our developers to track one down for testing. We'll let you know our results. Any news on this? I'm not holding by breath for 4GB, but has 2GB been confirmed? Sandisk 2GB SDSDQU-2048-E10M works just fine. -- - Harald Welte [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://openmoko.org/ Software for the world's first truly open Free Software mobile phone ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Storage + Re: The actual release date of NEO1973
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote: On 1/12/07 4:53 PM, Mikko Rauhala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Incidentally, I'm also interested in the official word, if any, on the new 4G micro-SDs. I _was_ glad to see Sean's micro-SD can go to 2GB now. (Or that's what my vendors tell me) comment, though I would be more comfortable if FIC themselves verify that 2GB micro-SDs do, in fact, work, what with all the scary rumours about the SOC 1G limitation applying to SDs too. (Vendors... ;] ) I'm out of the country now, but I will ask our developers to track one down for testing. We'll let you know our results. Any news on this? I'm not holding by breath for 4GB, but has 2GB been confirmed? Thanks, -Sven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The actual release date of NEO1973
On 1/12/07 7:37 AM, Shu Hung (Koala) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/12/07, Ole Tange [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I would love to see, however, is a website where you can pre-order, so you will be the first to get a phone. I agree that a pre-order form or anything similar is good. At least I'd want to be notify when I can buy it online. Just make sure you're subscribed to either the community or announce lists. We'll definitely make this stuff known here. -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Storage + Re: The actual release date of NEO1973
On 1/12/07 4:53 PM, Mikko Rauhala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Incidentally, I'm also interested in the official word, if any, on the new 4G micro-SDs. I _was_ glad to see Sean's micro-SD can go to 2GB now. (Or that's what my vendors tell me) comment, though I would be more comfortable if FIC themselves verify that 2GB micro-SDs do, in fact, work, what with all the scary rumours about the SOC 1G limitation applying to SDs too. (Vendors... ;] ) I'm out of the country now, but I will ask our developers to track one down for testing. We'll let you know our results. -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Storage + Re: The actual release date of NEO1973
Am Montag, 15. Januar 2007 14:50 schrieb Marcin Juszkiewicz: Dnia sobota, 13 stycznia 2007 14:04, Ole Tange napisał: I also would expect FIC already has at least one distributer in EU that can cover all of EU. From a shipping cost perspective it will probably make sense, too. From my informations there will be atleast one company in EU which will sell Neo1973 phones. I can not tell which one it will be - I can only tell that they are well known in some environments. That would be great, Torsten Röhl ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Storage + Re: The actual release date of NEO1973
On 1/13/07, Oleg Gusev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Samstag, 13. Januar 2007 01:53 schrieb Mikko Rauhala: Again I'm no official source, but as far as I see, they've consistently talked about it being global direct sale, whether it's Jan or Feb... What about VAT, customs clearance and warranty when one orders directly ? If FIC are smart they will sell to the EU citizens from an EU address. This will make the customs clearance and warranty problems disappear, as EU has the same minimum standards for warranty (see http://www.euroconsumer.org.uk/index/consumer_centres.htm) and no customs for goods internally in EU. I also would expect FIC already has at least one distributer in EU that can cover all of EU. From a shipping cost perspective it will probably make sense, too. I would expect the same setup would go for US. The rest of the world will probably have to deal with the mess. /Ole ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The actual release date of NEO1973
On 1/12/07 9:56 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sean, please tell your team that we (well some of us at least) support your decision to delay the release until you are happy with the unit. Thanks guys! One thing: Please remove the January statement on the openmoko website. That looks bad and frightens away newcomers. Whew...sorry about that! -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Storage + Re: The actual release date of NEO1973
On 1/13/07 2:04 PM, Ole Tange [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/13/07, Oleg Gusev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Samstag, 13. Januar 2007 01:53 schrieb Mikko Rauhala: Again I'm no official source, but as far as I see, they've consistently talked about it being global direct sale, whether it's Jan or Feb... What about VAT, customs clearance and warranty when one orders directly ? If FIC are smart they will sell to the EU citizens from an EU address. This will make the customs clearance and warranty problems disappear, as EU has the same minimum standards for warranty (see http://www.euroconsumer.org.uk/index/consumer_centres.htm) and no customs for goods internally in EU. I also would expect FIC already has at least one distributer in EU that can cover all of EU. From a shipping cost perspective it will probably make sense, too. We are doing this. -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Storage + Re: The actual release date of NEO1973
Sean Moss-Pultz schrieb: On 1/13/07 2:04 PM, Ole Tange [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If FIC are smart they will sell to the EU citizens from an EU address. This will make the customs clearance and warranty problems disappear, as EU has the same minimum standards for warranty (see http://www.euroconsumer.org.uk/index/consumer_centres.htm) and no customs for goods internally in EU. I also would expect FIC already has at least one distributer in EU that can cover all of EU. From a shipping cost perspective it will probably make sense, too. We are doing this. Great! -Sven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
The actual release date of NEO1973
Hello, Is there any information on the actual release date of NEO1973? I can find no purchase nor release information on the internet. I'm sure there are hundreds of thousands of guy looking for it. Thanks, Koala ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The actual release date of NEO1973
On 1/12/07, Shu Hung (Koala) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any information on the actual release date of NEO1973? After working in the IT industry I know that actual release dates are dangerous and should be avoided if possible, as you may feel forced to rush out a product with known bugs. What I would love to see, however, is a website where you can pre-order, so you will be the first to get a phone. /Ole ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The actual release date of NEO1973
I think we should create a To-Do list or a Wish List, so we can track the sort of features that would be nice to have in the phone. I think we should model this on http://www.neurosaudio.com/ On 1/12/07, Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Salve Ole, *! On Fri, 12 Jan 2007, Ole Tange wrote: What I would love to see, however, is a website where you can pre-order, so you will be the first to get a phone. I don't think that you have to fear that you will not be able to get one of the first phones - I'm quite shure that being activ on this list with good ideas - and maybe already writing some solutions count much more that to be the first in a pre-order-db. And the most of you should know the vapur-ware filewarker http://www.invair.de/ The have taken down their order now for the first release but I have big concerns when I such Order now pages for inovative products... ;) Release date I'm happy that Sean and FIC does not anounce a fixed date let us give them the freedom other device-projects does not have - to take as much time as possible. I would not worry when it will be April or later :) See how much of the first design of a IBM-PC or a Personal PalmPilot is still used today. Some small inexpensive or cost less improvements could make the product much more stable or better usable: the last 5-10% perfectness where commercial developers nearly never have the time for - because there is the expo or the christmas-business for what the device must be ready for... And when the first devices are out, you can create a second generation with e.g. wifi, powered USB or USB2 - but smaller changings that change the way to programm or to use the device screen resolution, the way your touch screen work - power saving (no good examples..) are not so good to do. See how similar the layout of the PalmPilots has been - as far as I know all hacks and programms could be run without modification till PalmOS 5.0 So I would love to see enough time for the developers to get full sleep and a free weekend and come back to add some nice to have instead of solving must have tasks - care about battery loading (maybe a small capacitor..) it could help also that data in RAM is not lost when the power was interrupted. I saw a Windows PDA at my friends desk - oh - new? He said - no, a borrowed PDA with navigation - but I have lost all data in RAM because of power and now I can't use the navigation, because I haven't the registration key and my partner can't find it now... Palm Pilots have a reset - but no function to split the RAM and reset only the system and try to recover parts of the data. Being on the road and being lost when your mobile device lost it's data is not realy smart. So I found it important, that the Neo1973 could work even without battery, just usb-powered. - make sound quality even better with a better shielding or more nf(1-40.000 Hz) clean power supply for the audio part - adding an audio in jack - some sensors - little power for the USB to use USB Memory sicks (and other people MP3-stick) without USB power supply - more nice things which the Neo1973 developers would start think about when they have the freedom to do it Ok it must not to much time - but Sean, when your team deside the hardware design of the Neo1973 is ready, go to ask your team - how would you design it, when you would have your ideas and knowledge form the beginning? - what would you like to add for a second version - what would you like to add to the first version, when we take 2 or 4 more weeks? :) So I'm very happy that the first version will have BT :)) Which kind of BT - version, class? And can somebody explain me if the chip/hardware could limit the BT software/profile power, or would be everything possible? like: - stereo audio streaming (possible to or from the NEO?) - multiple profiles simultanius? using BT keyboard and BT headset at the same time? Cheers, rob ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The actual release date of NEO1973
On Fri, 2007-01-12 at 09:22 -0500, Gervais Mulongoy wrote: I think we should create a To-Do list or a Wish List, so we can track the sort of features that would be nice to have in the phone. I think we should model this on http://www.neurosaudio.com/ Is there a wiki on the openmoko site to work on this? Sean, this would be great to capture these ideas. Jon On 1/12/07, Robert Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Salve Ole, *! On Fri, 12 Jan 2007, Ole Tange wrote: What I would love to see, however, is a website where you can pre-order, so you will be the first to get a phone. I don't think that you have to fear that you will not be able to get one of the first phones - I'm quite shure that being activ on this list with good ideas - and maybe already writing some solutions count much more that to be the first in a pre-order-db. And the most of you should know the vapur-ware filewarker http://www.invair.de/ The have taken down their order now for the first release but I have big concerns when I such Order now pages for inovative products... ;) Release date I'm happy that Sean and FIC does not anounce a fixed date let us give them the freedom other device-projects does not have - to take as much time as possible. I would not worry when it will be April or later :) See how much of the first design of a IBM-PC or a Personal PalmPilot is still used today. Some small inexpensive or cost less improvements could make the product much more stable or better usable: the last 5-10% perfectness where commercial developers nearly never have the time for - because there is the expo or the christmas-business for what the device must be ready for... And when the first devices are out, you can create a second generation with e.g. wifi, powered USB or USB2 - but smaller changings that change the way to programm or to use the device screen resolution, the way your touch screen work - power saving (no good examples..) are not so good to do. See how similar the layout of the PalmPilots has been - as far as I know all hacks and programms could be run without modification till PalmOS 5.0 So I would love to see enough time for the developers to get full sleep and a free weekend and come back to add some nice to have instead of solving must have tasks - care about battery loading (maybe a small capacitor..) it could help also that data in RAM is not lost when the power was interrupted. I saw a Windows PDA at my friends desk - oh - new? He said - no, a borrowed PDA with navigation - but I have lost all data in RAM because of power and now I can't use the navigation, because I haven't the registration key and my partner can't find it now... Palm Pilots have a reset - but no function to split the RAM and reset only the system and try to recover parts of the data. Being on the road and being lost when your mobile device lost it's data is not realy smart. So I found it important, that the Neo1973 could work even without battery, just usb-powered. - make sound quality even better with a better shielding or more nf(1-40.000 Hz) clean power supply for the audio part - adding an audio in jack - some sensors - little power for the USB to use USB Memory sicks (and other people MP3-stick) without USB power supply - more nice things which the Neo1973 developers would start think about when they have the freedom to do it Ok it must not to much time - but Sean, when your team deside the hardware design of the Neo1973 is ready, go to ask your team - how would you design it, when you would have your ideas and knowledge form the beginning? - what would you like to add for a second version - what would you like to add to the first version, when we take 2 or 4 more weeks? :) So I'm very happy that the first version will have BT :)) Which kind of BT - version, class? And can somebody explain me if the chip/hardware could limit the BT software/profile power, or would be everything possible? like: - stereo audio streaming (possible to or from the NEO?) - multiple
Re: The actual release date of NEO1973
On 1/12/07, Ole Tange [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I would love to see, however, is a website where you can pre-order, so you will be the first to get a phone. I agree that a pre-order form or anything similar is good. At least I'd want to be notify when I can buy it online. Koala Yeung ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: The actual release date of NEO1973
Is there a wiki on the openmoko site to work on this? Sean, this would be great to capture these ideas. I agree that would be great! Currently I think the release is slated for Feb but I hope this doesn't keep being pushed back. If the phone is release in Feb will this be worldwide? (I am in Australia) Cheers, Tim ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
