Rod Whitby ha scritto:
[snip]
One not shared by OpenMoko Inc. it seems ...
There are many people who are idealistic about free software.
There are many people who are idealistic about open source software.
There are many people who use/develop both free/opensource software
and commercial
My area too is poorly mapped. But what I think is that once someone
start using a commercial program because they need it, they will never
get back to a free project if it is not yet able to deliver the same
service.
My understanding is that the development of free projects is started
and driven
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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| My area too is poorly mapped. But what I think is that once someone
| start using a commercial program because they need it, they will never
| get back to a free project if it is not yet able to deliver
Waaah! 10.142.178.13 spamming the list :-(
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Alessandro Iurlano wrote:
My area too is poorly mapped. But what I think is that once someone
start using a commercial program because they need it, they will never
get back to a free project if it is not yet able to deliver the same
service.
That's untrue for me: also if sometimes I started
On Friday 28 March 2008 10:37, joerg wrote:
Waaah! 10.142.178.13 spamming the list :-(
it's probably gmail being sucky yet again and sending mail out repeatedly
Andy
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they got the tomtom applikation running on zaurus linux
Sebastian Hammerl schrieb:
Hi,
as far as i know on the TomTom go devices is running Linux. So would
it be possible to rip out the TomTom applikation and get it to work on
Openmoko
The data and the mapping application are really two diffrent products.
The real freedom of choice comes from having a mapping application
that can use data from any provider, wether its commercial or open
source.
I think eventually, OSM will be the way to go, but until then its not
usable by
On 28/03/2008, Dan Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The data and the mapping application are really two diffrent products.
The real freedom of choice comes from having a mapping application
that can use data from any provider, whether its commercial or open
source.
agreed.
tangogps.org
Hi,
On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:40:05 +0100
Alessandro Iurlano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My area too is poorly mapped. But what I think is that once someone
start using a commercial program because they need it, they will never
get back to a free project if it is not yet able to deliver the same
Hi,
as far as i know on the TomTom go devices is running Linux. So would it
be possible to rip out the TomTom applikation and get it to work on
Openmoko phone? It would be a great GPS application.
http://opentom.org/ - Projekt runnling apps on the TomTom Device. Why
not do it the other way?
Openmoko run on TomTom go, whatever it's
worth for.
jOERG
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Hi,
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Sebastian Hammerl
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
as far as i know on the TomTom go devices is running Linux. So would it
be possible to rip out the TomTom applikation and get it to work on
Openmoko phone? It would be a great GPS application.
Why not use
Dnia Thursday 27 of March 2008, joerg napisał:
Am Do 27. März 2008 schrieb Sebastian Hammerl:
Hi,
as far as i know on the TomTom go devices is running Linux. So would
it be possible to rip out the TomTom applikation and get it to work
on Openmoko phone? It would be a great GPS
Dnia Thursday 27 of March 2008, Christ van Willegen napisał:
Hi,
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Sebastian Hammerl
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
as far as i know on the TomTom go devices is running Linux. So would
it be possible to rip out the TomTom applikation and get it to work
on
I am of the idea that a navigation system would be THE killer-app for
the openmoko, and I personally know many persons that would also pay
extra money to have a navigator on a phone. We have various
possibilities: we could try to make some sort of deal with TomTom,
write our own system based on
Navigation and OSM data submittal?
What's wrong with tangogps? Sounds like it already does what you ask for:
http://www.tangogps.org/
Joseph
On 27/03/2008, ramsesoriginal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am of the idea that a navigation system would be THE killer-app for
the openmoko, and I
Am Do 27. März 2008 schrieb Marcin Juszkiewicz:
Dnia Thursday 27 of March 2008, joerg napisał:
Am Do 27. März 2008 schrieb Sebastian Hammerl:
Hi,
as far as i know on the TomTom go devices is running Linux. So would
it be possible to rip out the TomTom applikation and get it to
Hi,
2008/3/27 Marcin Juszkiewicz [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Dnia Thursday 27 of March 2008, Christ van Willegen napisał:
Why not use tangoGPS and OpenStreetMap maps?
Because OSM maps suxx? Lack details, lack streets, lack too many things to
be usable?
OSM is nice idea but it is only idea. It
Does tangogps submit data to OSM as well, because that would be great.
I'd imaging that the quality of data in OSM would greatly increase
after the Freerunner gets released.
2008/3/27 Joseph Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Navigation and OSM data submittal?
What's wrong with tangogps? Sounds like
Ok, this is really cool. I don't even noticed it 'till know :D
2008/3/27 Joseph Reeves [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Navigation and OSM data submittal?
What's wrong with tangogps? Sounds like it already does what you ask for:
http://www.tangogps.org/
Joseph
On 27/03/2008, ramsesoriginal
Dnia Thursday 27 of March 2008, joerg napisa³:
Am Do 27. März 2008 schrieb Sebastian Hammerl:
Hi,
as far as i know on the TomTom go devices is running Linux. So would
it be possible to rip out the TomTom applikation and get it to work
on Openmoko phone? It would be a great GPS
Does anyone know how m
2008/3/27 Marcin Juszkiewicz [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Dnia Thursday 27 of March 2008, ramsesoriginal napisał:
I am of the idea that a navigation system would be THE killer-app for
the openmoko, and I personally know many persons that would also pay
extra money to have
Dnia Thursday 27 of March 2008, Marcus Bauer napisał:
On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 14:05 +0100, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote:
Because OSM maps suxx? Lack details, lack streets, lack too many
things to be usable?
OSM is nice idea but it is only idea. It will never replace
commercial maps.
Hey,
On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 14:38 +0100, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote:
Dnia Thursday 27 of March 2008, ramsesoriginal napisał:
I am of the idea that a navigation system would be THE killer-app for
the openmoko, and I personally know many persons that would also pay
extra money to have a navigator
Dnia Thursday 27 of March 2008, Christ van Willegen napisał:
OSM is nice idea but it is only idea. It will never replace
commercial maps.
Have you seen the progress that's been made in The Netherlands?
Have you seen how it was done?
http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=223
Automotive
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And working phone operating systems can be bought from Symbian, Apple
and even Microsoft. And yet we develop a new one!
The whole point of Open Source is the freedom (and fun) to participate.
That's why I am opposed to
ramsesoriginal wrote:
I am of the idea that a navigation system would be THE killer-app for
the openmoko, and I personally know many persons that would also pay
extra money to have a navigator on a phone. We have various
possibilities: we could try to make some sort of deal with TomTom,
write
On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 14:46 +0100, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote:
The coverage of the Netherlands has already commercial quality (go and
have a look) - actually it is already better than commercial data and
in the US the governments TIGER data has been imported.
Compare that with other parts
2008/3/27 Marcin Juszkiewicz [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Dnia Thursday 27 of March 2008, Christ van Willegen napisał:
OSM is nice idea but it is only idea. It will never replace
commercial maps.
Have you seen the progress that's been made in The Netherlands?
Have you seen how it was
On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 14:57 +0100, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote:
It was not done by community but by commercial company...
But *now* it is Creative Commons licensed!
And to see what the community does within one year, here another nice
link, showing how Munich grew in an animated gif.
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And working phone operating systems can be bought from Symbian, Apple
and even Microsoft. And yet we develop a new one!
The whole point of Open Source is the freedom (and fun) to participate.
That's why I am opposed
On Thu, 2008-03-27 at 08:36 -0500, Tim Shannon wrote:
Does tangogps submit data to OSM as well, because that would be great.
Yes, you can to load the track logs into the JOSM editor, give them a
quick check and upload to OSM.
I'd imaging that the quality of data in OSM would greatly increase
Marcin Juszkiewicz ha scritto:
Because OSM maps suxx? Lack details, lack streets, lack too many things to
be usable?
OSM is nice idea but it is only idea. It will never replace commercial
maps.
hahaha! have you seen Holland on OSM recently? haha!
pc
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On Thursday 27 March 2008 15:05:58 Christ van Willegen wrote:
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
And working phone operating systems can be bought from Symbian, Apple
and even Microsoft. And yet we develop a new one!
The whole point of Open Source
Joseph Reeves schrieb:
Navigation and OSM data submittal?
What's wrong with tangogps? Sounds like it already does what you ask for:
it is NOT a navigation software and it will take long time to get it
really stable. tomtom is really good software and the maps are really
better.
Marcin Juszkiewicz ha scritto:
Automotive Navigation Data (AND) is a leading provider of location,
routing, mapping and address management are donating a street network of
the entire Netherlands. Yes, an entire country.
It was not done by community but by commercial company...
so what?
Am Do 27. März 2008 schrieb Sander van Grieken:
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
And working phone operating systems can be bought from Symbian, Apple
and even Microsoft. And yet we develop a new one!
The whole point of Open Source is the
On Thursday 27 March 2008 13:57, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote:
It was not done by community but by commercial company...
So what. It's the license that counts. The only thing that surprised me was
that OSM didn't shout it from the rooftops. If all it took was a bit of free
publicity to get other
Dnia Thursday 27 of March 2008, Andy Powell napisał:
On Thursday 27 March 2008 13:57, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote:
It was not done by community but by commercial company...
So what. It's the license that counts.
Sure that license is what counts. But I am tired of people telling that
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:41:16 +0100
Paolo Cavallini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Marcin Juszkiewicz ha scritto:
Automotive Navigation Data (AND) is a leading provider of
location, routing, mapping and address management are donating a
street network of the entire Netherlands. Yes, an entire
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 01:54:15PM +0100, Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote:
Dnia Thursday 27 of March 2008, joerg napisał:
Am Do 27. März 2008 schrieb Sebastian Hammerl:
Hi,
as far as i know on the TomTom go devices is running Linux. So would
it be possible to rip out the TomTom
Marcin Juszkiewicz ha scritto:
Here in Poland I would never try to navigate from point X to point Y with
data only from OSM as they are very fragmental now.
never!=now
pc
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Noi ci troviamo con parecchie difficoltà con NGI http://www.ngi.it/
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 6:05 PM, David Pottage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, March 27, 2008 1:33 pm, Christ van Willegen wrote:
Have you seen the progress that's been made in The Netherlands?
i.e.:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.375lon=5.24898zoom=17layers=B0FT
(yes,
OSM - sorry about offtopic
- growth of OSM data animations http://www.jabberworld.org/osm/
- from a standing start only 3 years ago i think progress is impressive
- fast flash viewer for OSM - http://www.afcomponents.com/components/umap_as3/
- GTA03 (with camera) will be ultimate OSM tool
On 3/27/08, David Pottage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, March 27, 2008 1:33 pm, Christ van Willegen wrote:
Have you seen the progress that's been made in The Netherlands?
i.e.:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.375lon=5.24898zoom=17layers=B0FT
(yes, there are houses on there...)
to make this work, not of OpenMoko team. They are already working a lot
to try to make their device most open as possible. And I think is not
their goals to make TomTom available in OpenMoko.
My opinion
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On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 10:14 PM, Marco Trevisan (Treviño)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Marcin Juszkiewicz wrote:
... as for navigation.. well, isn't there a libgarmin that can read
garmin maps directly? Can't NavIt do this now?
There is and NavIt can use it.
In fact, this is the right
Alessandro Iurlano wrote:
Anyway I accept the idea of using commercial apps/maps until there's
nothing of usable for free and freely, since generally such tools become
useful when we're traveling in unknown places, and so that we can't map
on OMS without the help of others!
If everyone
I can't do anything but quote Marco on this: If you look at the area
where I live (South Tyrol, Italy), there are entire valleys missing. I
am more then willing to upload data to OSM, bnut till the data is
there, i have to navigate somehow..
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 11:44 PM, Marco Trevisan
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