Re: USB Connectivity
2007/2/20, larpoux [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, A few questions about USB connectivity Hi! Excuse me for not replying on each of your questions but try to answer yourself ;) Basically your Neo1973 phone would be running linux with kernel 2.6.x so all modules should work on your phone just like on your desktop (if hardware allows of course). Does it clear you out your doubts? cayco ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: USB Connectivity
On Tuesday 20 February 2007 08:57, Krzysztof Kajkowski wrote: 2007/2/20, larpoux [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, A few questions about USB connectivity Hi! Excuse me for not replying on each of your questions but try to answer yourself ;) Basically your Neo1973 phone would be running linux with kernel 2.6.x so all modules should work on your phone just like on your desktop (if hardware allows of course). Does it clear you out your doubts? 2 of the questions were about behaviour when the Neo is _not_ the host, but is connected to a PC. I don't recall this being mentioned on list before so I went digging in the Wiki. This suggests it will appear as both a network device and a mass storage device, plus perhaps a couple of consoles for the bootloader. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Product_IDs cayco ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Market Timing (was USB Connectivity)
They are completely closed because they are very intimate with the chipsets they are using. In fact the chipsets are specifically designed for the company that builds the phone. While you can buy something with the same core, typically you can't buy the chips that are actually in the phone. The fact that you can buy a GSM/GPRS module that runs off the AT command set is the big innovation. I don't know how long this has been possible, but I've only heard about this recently. Whether Open phones have timed the market or not, I'm not sure. You could look at browsers for some examples Netscape-Internet Explorer-mozilla for some examples. But I don't think other than the fact that it can be done it's appropriate. You really have not had the ability to write/port an integrated application and run it on your phone like you do your PC (i.e. I think the coldfire only dealt with the Palm PDA aspect). It may be more appropriate to look at what Honda did to Harley Davidson in the 60's from a market/business perspective. Marty Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 06:47:04 +0100 From: larpoux [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just decover Openmoko, and it is exactly what I was dreaming for the past few years. I already have two cellular phones running linux, but, (strangely), they are completly closed. My phone operator download a new software release from time to time on them, but I have no documentation, no possibility to develop my own packages, no comunity working on them, ... Too bad that this project is somewhat now a little late and will be hard to have great impact on the mass market. But Openmoko seems exactly what was desesperaly needed for us, the hackers. /larpoux ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Market Timing (was USB Connectivity)
* Martin Lefkowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070220 15:55]: The fact that you can buy a GSM/GPRS module that runs off the AT command set is the big innovation. I don't know how long this has been possible, but I've only heard about this recently. Well, that's not such a big innovation. HTC seems to have something comparable (as the Linux on Winmobile projects show). And I've used stationary GSM modules using the AT command set (which btw, are standardized too) a decade ago. Andreas ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Market Timing (was USB Connectivity)
Interesting, then I wonder why all these projects are cropping up now? Linux 2.6 maybe? 90nm? Batteries? Andreas Kostyrka wrote: * Martin Lefkowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070220 15:55]: The fact that you can buy a GSM/GPRS module that runs off the AT command set is the big innovation. I don't know how long this has been possible, but I've only heard about this recently. Well, that's not such a big innovation. HTC seems to have something comparable (as the Linux on Winmobile projects show). And I've used stationary GSM modules using the AT command set (which btw, are standardized too) a decade ago. Andreas ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
USB Connectivity
Hi, A few questions about USB connectivity (sorry if the answers are already somwhere, but I a am very newly interested in this project). What is already working for the USB connection and what should be delopped? 1 - Is it possible to connect the phone to a computer host and pretend that we are a standard USB memory key, and automaticly mount a new file system on the host without needing to install a very specific driver on it ? 2 - Is it possible to pretend to the host that the phone is a standard USB/ethernet adaptator (like a Belkin adaptator), and automaticly connect the PC and the phone on a private IP based network ? 3 - Is it possible to connect the phone to a real ethernet network (hub), via a real USB/ethernet adaptator (Belkin for example) ? Is there somewhere documentation on what already exists with USB connection to a host (wiki page) ? Is there an other possibility to connect the phone to an IP based network, except by the USB connection (like IP above blue tooth ? ) Of course, the connection of the phone to a network is crucial : SSH, FTP, and a lot of nice things: X11 on an external XWindow server :-) , VNC :-) , voip :-) ... I just decover Openmoko, and it is exactly what I was dreaming for the past few years. I already have two cellular phones running linux, but, (strangely), they are completly closed. My phone operator download a new software release from time to time on them, but I have no documentation, no possibility to develop my own packages, no comunity working on them, ... Too bad that this project is somewhat now a little late and will be hard to have great impact on the mass market. But Openmoko seems exactly what was desesperaly needed for us, the hackers. /larpoux ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
