Various questions ideas: Maemo porting, package management...
Hi I have some little questions: - how hard will it be possible to port maemo apps to OpenMoko (if possible)? - what about package management? apt-get like mecanism? Do you consider using mkezx ? An official binary repository?... - will the AP's filesystem be read-write ? - already thought of using handsignature for biometric identification? I don't know if there are any free software available, i saw a prototype last year on a pda, and it works very well. PIN codes are old-fashioned ;) - although a lot of people didn't realize it, apple's iPhone killer feature is really the multitouch screen, which IMHO is the key component to all these physical-model-based interface effects and novel input types; is it certain that the first neo can't have such a screen? - about accelerometer questions, i saw a cellphone videogame that used the phone camera to detect movement, rotation How hard would it be to add a standard camera on the neo (1 MP max)? In terms of price and technical feasability? I'm not sure it's more expensive than a full-features accelerometer, is it? - i really think a universal infrared remote feature would be a killer app (with integration of tv programs); domotics is a great area, but is still very expensive; what about porting X10 control apps to the neo? :) There are tons of great apps feasible : perfect waker, playing music, lighting lights gradually on etc... - i don't get how a 2.5 G GSM is not EDGE: i thought 2.5 G was EDGE... Could please anybody clarify that? - i'd like to get an opinion of somebody who actually owns (or sam) a neo about the lcd screen. Sooo small, and such a huge resolution... Please let us dream :) Is suitable for text reading? - could the neo's usb port be used for usb gadgets? The more important would be mechanical input devices ( mini keyboards ) - already considered an usb multi I/O companion device? Something like http://www.pcinpact.com/actu/news/34516-replicateur-port-USB.htm (sorry, it's in french) This thing features a VGA/DVI connectivity, ethernet, ... If the neo had a small sized extension device, allowing external vga connectivity, it would be awesome... And serve as a dock station. - what about RFID reader/writer, or simply a tag? I'm sorry if some of these questions were already discussed. Anyway, openmoko is a great promising project, i'm waiting for it's availability ! I hope there will be enough devices for us to buy when it's ready for prime time... Florent ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Various questions ideas: Maemo porting, package management...
Hi Florent, please send text-only E-Mail to this list. - how hard will it be possible to port maemo apps to OpenMoko (if possible)? This question is two-fold -- it has a build level and an UI level. Build level: You would need to change the Maemo specific application and widget classes to OpenMoko specific application and widget classes. UI level: You would need to change the layout of your application from 800x480 landscape to 480x640 portrait. - what about package management? apt-get like mecanism? Do you consider using mkezx ? An official binary repository?... for phase 1 we will use ipkg. For phase 2 we either would like to see an sqlite backend in ipkg (because the default one is really slow) or something written from scratch. dpkg/apt is very heavy -- I'm not sure whether we can strip it down to be feasible on a smartphone. - will the AP's filesystem be read-write ? Yes, the filesystem will be jffs2. - already thought of using handsignature for biometric identification? I don't know if there are any free software available, i saw a prototype last year on a pda, and it works very well. PIN codes are old-fashioned ;) No plans yet, sounds fascinating! - although a lot of people didn't realize it, apple's iPhone killer feature is really the multitouch screen, which IMHO is the key component to all these physical-model-based interface effects and novel input types; is it certain that the first neo can't have such a screen? Yes. The hardware of the Neo1973 is unitouch. - about accelerometer questions, i saw a cellphone videogame that used the phone camera to detect movement, rotation How hard would it be to add a standard camera on the neo (1 MP max)? In terms of price and technical feasability? I'm not sure it's more expensive than a full-features accelerometer, is it? Begin a software guy, I can't comment on that. I would imagine it is very costly and time-consuming to do hardware changes to a basically finished product. - i really think a universal infrared remote feature would be a killer app (with integration of tv programs); domotics is a great area, but is still very expensive; what about porting X10 control apps to the neo? :) Might make not much sense without an IR port or would it? ;) There are tons of great apps feasible : perfect waker, playing music, lighting lights gradually on etc... - i don't get how a 2.5 G GSM is not EDGE: i thought 2.5 G was EDGE... Could please anybody clarify that? The G terms are somewhat fuzzy. To my knowledge, 2.5G is GPRS and EDGE is generally classified as 2.75G technology. - i'd like to get an opinion of somebody who actually owns (or sam) a neo about the lcd screen. Sooo small, and such a huge resolution... Please let us dream :) Is suitable for text reading? Sorry, I didn't have a chance to open a PDF yet :/ - could the neo's usb port be used for usb gadgets? The more important would be mechanical input devices ( mini keyboards ) - already considered an usb multi I/O companion device? Something like http://www.pcinpact.com/actu/news/34516-replicateur-port-USB.htm (sorry, it's in french) This thing features a VGA/DVI connectivity, ethernet, ... If the neo had a small sized extension device, allowing external vga connectivity, it would be awesome... And serve as a dock station. The Neo's USB port is switchable host/gadget, however host is unpowered, so you need a battery-powered hub. Anyway, openmoko is a great promising project, i'm waiting for it's availability ! I hope there will be enough devices for us to buy when it's ready for prime time... :) -- - Michael Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://openmoko.org/ Software for the worlds' first truly open Free Software mobile phone ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Various questions ideas: Maemo porting, package management...
- what about package management? apt-get like mecanism? Do you consider using mkezx ? An official binary repository?... for phase 1 we will use ipkg. For phase 2 we either would like to see an sqlite backend in ipkg (because the default one is really slow) or something written from scratch. dpkg/apt is very heavy -- I'm not sure whether we can strip it down to be feasible on a smartphone. The fact is, mkezx does use dpkg/apt, and it's pretty effective (on my A780) ! - i really think a universal infrared remote feature would be a killer app (with integration of tv programs); domotics is a great area, but is still very expensive; what about porting X10 control apps to the neo? :) Might make not much sense without an IR port or would it? ;) As suggested on openmoko wiki: - minor unexpensive hardware changes may be possible and are open to suggestions; an infrared led would certainly fit into this category, no? - there are hacks allowing to use the jack output to send IR signals, so a small cheap adapter could provide IR connectivity The Neo's USB port is switchable host/gadget, however host is unpowered, so you need a battery-powered hub. Hum, does a keyboard need to be powered? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Various questions ideas: Maemo porting, package management.
I didn't find any self powered keyboard on google, but a lot of bluetooth / IR battery powered keyboards http://www.expansys.lu/p.aspx?i=112314 http://www.expansys.lu/n.aspx?f=132 http://www.nokiausa.com/accessories/item_details/1,8994,product:SU-8W,00.html A battery powered foldable keyboard would be awesome: http://www.meritline.com/foldable-usb-keyboard-aza-230bk.html But it seems that only bluetooth devices are worth it (if we have no IR connectivity) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Various questions ideas: Maemo porting, package management.
On Thursday 08 February 2007 18:06:12 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Almost certainly. At the very least there is a microcontroller or other hardware to handle the USB protocol and to do the keyboard scanning. Unless someone cleverly makes a self-powered keyboard. Anyone know of one? All Bluetooth ones. pgpWddyOCeRYm.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Various questions ideas: Maemo porting, package management...
Florent THIERY writes: Hum, does a keyboard need to be powered? Unless it's got a battery... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org https://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community