Re: LED and vibrator testing GUI
El jue, 30-10-2008 a las 04:19 +0100, Bastiaan Hovestreydt escribió: Hi, sorry, but I couldn't stop Apache from trying to execute the script other than renaming it, so its now here [1]. Bastiaan [1] http://openmoko.hovestreydt.com/download/leds Bastiaan Hovestreydt wrote: Hi, I don't know if somebody else did this already, but I didn't find anything in the wiki... I wrote a small Python script to quickly turn the LEDs of the Freerunner on and off for testing purposes. There's also has a slider to set the intensity of the vibrator. But since I don't anything about Python I only altered the mokoservices.py to fulfill my needs and tested it only under FDOM, so please be gentle :-) The script is available for download here [1]. I'm also planning on putting some more buttons in the original mokoservices.py to put the device in USB host mode, so let me know if your interested. We have also comment to include some kind of usb control to change to to usb mass storage mode!!! So Yes I'm interested and surelly like me there some more :) Bastiaan [1] http://openmoko.hovestreydt.com/download/leds.py ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- David Reyes Samblas Martinez http://www.tuxbrain.com Open ultraportable solutions Hey, watch out!!! There's a linux in your pocket!!! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: LED and vibrator testing GUI
Bastiaan Hovestreydt wrote: Hi, sorry, but I couldn't stop Apache from trying to execute the script other than renaming it, so its now here [1]. Bastiaan [1] http://openmoko.hovestreydt.com/download/leds Hey Bastiaan, you can put the script in a .tar.bz2 or .tar.gz or simply .tar, so it will not be executed by apache. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
LED and vibrator testing GUI
Hi, I don't know if somebody else did this already, but I didn't find anything in the wiki... I wrote a small Python script to quickly turn the LEDs of the Freerunner on and off for testing purposes. There's also has a slider to set the intensity of the vibrator. But since I don't anything about Python I only altered the mokoservices.py to fulfill my needs and tested it only under FDOM, so please be gentle :-) The script is available for download here [1]. I'm also planning on putting some more buttons in the original mokoservices.py to put the device in USB host mode, so let me know if your interested. Bastiaan [1] http://openmoko.hovestreydt.com/download/leds.py signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: LED and vibrator testing GUI
Hi, sorry, but I couldn't stop Apache from trying to execute the script other than renaming it, so its now here [1]. Bastiaan [1] http://openmoko.hovestreydt.com/download/leds Bastiaan Hovestreydt wrote: Hi, I don't know if somebody else did this already, but I didn't find anything in the wiki... I wrote a small Python script to quickly turn the LEDs of the Freerunner on and off for testing purposes. There's also has a slider to set the intensity of the vibrator. But since I don't anything about Python I only altered the mokoservices.py to fulfill my needs and tested it only under FDOM, so please be gentle :-) The script is available for download here [1]. I'm also planning on putting some more buttons in the original mokoservices.py to put the device in USB host mode, so let me know if your interested. Bastiaan [1] http://openmoko.hovestreydt.com/download/leds.py ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Vibrator
On 10/3/07, Mark Arvidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a patch for neod that optionally buzzes the vibrator with each keystroke (the same way the sound works). I haven't submitted it because I'm trying to get the build to work top-to-bottom. Let me know if you would like to test it. --sagacis Great, I submitted patches http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2007-September/000249.html for vibration modulation, so you can use pulses with low intensity and avoid waste of battery power. regards. -Javi ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Vibrator
On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 09:20:28 +0200, Javi Roman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great, I submitted patches http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2007-September/000249.html for vibration modulation, so you can use pulses with low intensity and avoid waste of battery power. Nice! But why do identifier names mention GTA01? -- Alexey Feldgendler [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ICQ: 115226275] http://feldgendler.livejournal.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Vibrator
I didn't thought about the subject. Hopefully, nobody will put me on a blacklist ;-) On Tuesday 02 October 2007 00:49, Robin Paulson wrote: On 02/10/2007, Shawn Rutledge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The idea from the Jackito sounded good to me - use the screen surface as the audio transducer, that way if you play a low-frequency sound you can feel it with your fingers. And it's much lower-power than using the vibrator. But I'm not sure how you attach a piezo to the screen; maybe the idea is to just vibrate the touchscreen film so as to have lower mass. i'm not sure that's a good idea: is the screen designed to take such repeated vibrations, they're usually pretty sensitive? Do you think this applies also for the build-in vibrator (give me another name :-) )? I don't hope, that many incoming phone calls will harm my display. I think the two constraints are the battery an the livetime of the motor. imo the whole idea would get pretty annoying after the initial novelty wore off, and i'm sure most people will disable it pretty quickly For sure, it will be annoying if you use it for every keystroke while typing a message. But for special buttons like hang-up or close an application, it might be very comfortable. Greetings, Sven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Vibrator
SIEMENS had shown such a display speaker at CeBIT 2002. Here a German blog entry with some photos and descriptions: http://www.usp-forum.de/prototypen-classics-limited-editions/15744- display-speaker-phone.html Am 02.10.2007 um 08:52 schrieb Sven Klomp: I didn't thought about the subject. Hopefully, nobody will put me on a blacklist ;-) On Tuesday 02 October 2007 00:49, Robin Paulson wrote: On 02/10/2007, Shawn Rutledge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The idea from the Jackito sounded good to me - use the screen surface as the audio transducer, that way if you play a low-frequency sound you can feel it with your fingers. And it's much lower-power than using the vibrator. But I'm not sure how you attach a piezo to the screen; maybe the idea is to just vibrate the touchscreen film so as to have lower mass. i'm not sure that's a good idea: is the screen designed to take such repeated vibrations, they're usually pretty sensitive? Do you think this applies also for the build-in vibrator (give me another name :-) )? I don't hope, that many incoming phone calls will harm my display. I think the two constraints are the battery an the livetime of the motor. imo the whole idea would get pretty annoying after the initial novelty wore off, and i'm sure most people will disable it pretty quickly For sure, it will be annoying if you use it for every keystroke while typing a message. But for special buttons like hang-up or close an application, it might be very comfortable. Greetings, Sven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Vibrator
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: SIEMENS had shown such a display speaker at CeBIT 2002. Here a German blog entry with some photos and descriptions: http://www.usp-forum.de/prototypen-classics-limited-editions/15744-display-speaker-phone.html Yes, but a touch screen is more sinsible than those 4-colours displays. Paolo ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Vibrator
I have a patch for neod that optionally buzzes the vibrator with each keystroke (the same way the sound works). I haven't submitted it because I'm trying to get the build to work top-to-bottom. Let me know if you would like to test it. --sagacis On 10/1/07, Jeffrey Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems that most the things on this wish list are entirely unnecessary and battery consuming I am not sure what else is on the list, but I think this (vibration feedback) is a pretty useful feature, especially for non-geeks. Remember, a lot of think a GUI on a computer isn't needed, but how many have sold since it's become that much more obvious what is going on? (true enough, price drops have helped the computer's uptake in the last 20+ years, but you get my point I hope) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Vibrator
Hi, does anyone know, how power consuming the build-in vibrator of the neo is? Today, I held the Motorola Razr 2 (V8) in my hands and I'm very impressed of the feeling of tactile feedback of the screen buttons. I found this approach already on the wishlist (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wish_List#Tactile_feedback_via_buzzer) but no practical information. Is it practicable, or will the vibrator exhaust the battery? Greets, Sven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Vibrator
I don't know about that rest of you guys, but with this email title, I assumed this was spam. On 10/1/07, Sven Klomp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, does anyone know, how power consuming the build-in vibrator of the neo is? Today, I held the Motorola Razr 2 (V8) in my hands and I'm very impressed of the feeling of tactile feedback of the screen buttons. I found this approach already on the wishlist (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wish_List#Tactile_feedback_via_buzzer) but no practical information. Is it practicable, or will the vibrator exhaust the battery? Greets, Sven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Vibrator
funny spam On Monday 01 October 2007 04:41:38 pm Tim Shannon wrote: I don't know about that rest of you guys, but with this email title, I assumed this was spam. On 10/1/07, Sven Klomp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, does anyone know, how power consuming the build-in vibrator of the neo is? Today, I held the Motorola Razr 2 (V8) in my hands and I'm very impressed of the feeling of tactile feedback of the screen buttons. I found this approach already on the wishlist (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wish_List#Tactile_feedback_via_buzzer) but no practical information. Is it practicable, or will the vibrator exhaust the battery? Greets, Sven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Jeffrey Thomas Sierra Bravo 952.948.1211 x1046 952.567.6346 Direct www.sierra-bravo.com 9201 East Bloomington Freeway Suite CC Bloomington MN 55420 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Vibrator
Yep, I actually deleted the original message without a second thought! On 10/1/07, Tim Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know about that rest of you guys, but with this email title, I assumed this was spam. On 10/1/07, Sven Klomp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, does anyone know, how power consuming the build-in vibrator of the neo is? Today, I held the Motorola Razr 2 (V8) in my hands and I'm very impressed of the feeling of tactile feedback of the screen buttons. I found this approach already on the wishlist ( http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wish_List#Tactile_feedback_via_buzzer) but no practical information. Is it practicable, or will the vibrator exhaust the battery? Greets, Sven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Vibrator
It seems that most the things on this wish list are entirely unnecessary and battery consuming On 10/1/07, Sven Klomp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, does anyone know, how power consuming the build-in vibrator of the neo is? Today, I held the Motorola Razr 2 (V8) in my hands and I'm very impressed of the feeling of tactile feedback of the screen buttons. I found this approach already on the wishlist (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wish_List#Tactile_feedback_via_buzzer) but no practical information. Is it practicable, or will the vibrator exhaust the battery? Greets, Sven ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Sayonara, Kamisamanou Burgess http://www.kamisamanou.net ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Vibrator
It seems that most the things on this wish list are entirely unnecessary and battery consuming I am not sure what else is on the list, but I think this (vibration feedback) is a pretty useful feature, especially for non-geeks. Remember, a lot of think a GUI on a computer isn't needed, but how many have sold since it's become that much more obvious what is going on? (true enough, price drops have helped the computer's uptake in the last 20+ years, but you get my point I hope) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Vibrator
The idea from the Jackito sounded good to me - use the screen surface as the audio transducer, that way if you play a low-frequency sound you can feel it with your fingers. And it's much lower-power than using the vibrator. But I'm not sure how you attach a piezo to the screen; maybe the idea is to just vibrate the touchscreen film so as to have lower mass. http://articles.in/?caid=Technology.23284 (on archive.org you can see the old web pages from the actual site, jackito-tda.com) On 10/1/07, Kamisamanou Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems that most the things on this wish list are entirely unnecessary and battery consuming On 10/1/07, Sven Klomp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, does anyone know, how power consuming the build-in vibrator of the neo is? Today, I held the Motorola Razr 2 (V8) in my hands and I'm very impressed of the feeling of tactile feedback of the screen buttons. I found this approach already on the wishlist ( http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wish_List#Tactile_feedback_via_buzzer) but no practical information. Is it practicable, or will the vibrator exhaust the battery? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Vibrator
On 02/10/2007, Shawn Rutledge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The idea from the Jackito sounded good to me - use the screen surface as the audio transducer, that way if you play a low-frequency sound you can feel it with your fingers. And it's much lower-power than using the vibrator. But I'm not sure how you attach a piezo to the screen; maybe the idea is to just vibrate the touchscreen film so as to have lower mass. i'm not sure that's a good idea: is the screen designed to take such repeated vibrations, they're usually pretty sensitive? imo the whole idea would get pretty annoying after the initial novelty wore off, and i'm sure most people will disable it pretty quickly ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Vibrator
I'll agree with that. I actually like the vibration idea. I don't like that the list is loaded with stuff like IR portRemote control applications Would be great to use openmoko as a Hamony remote controller. I don't quite see the necessity in running you tv with your cellphone On 10/1/07, Jeffrey Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems that most the things on this wish list are entirely unnecessary and battery consuming I am not sure what else is on the list, but I think this (vibration feedback) is a pretty useful feature, especially for non-geeks. Remember, a lot of think a GUI on a computer isn't needed, but how many have sold since it's become that much more obvious what is going on? (true enough, price drops have helped the computer's uptake in the last 20+ years, but you get my point I hope) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Sayonara, Kamisamanou Burgess http://www.kamisamanou.net ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Vibrator
Kamisamanou Burgess wrote: I don't like that the list is loaded with stuff like IR portRemote control applications Would be great to use openmoko as a Hamony remote controller. I don't quite see the necessity in running you tv with your cellphone I don't have much use for a fancy TV remote, but I would very much like to use my phone as a remote for my Squeezebox music system (http://www.slimdevices.com/). It would be great to be able to frob the web UI while sitting on the couch, since that's a lot more expressive than slowly crawling through the two-line display on the box using the IR remote. Just because you don't want to do something with your phone doesn't mean that the rest of us share your feelings. This is open source, and it moves forward because people work on what interest them. The end result is something that's stronger for everyone. -- -- Dirk Bergstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://otisbean.com/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Vibrator
On 10/1/07, Uncle Kridley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kamisamanou Burgess wrote: I don't like that the list is loaded with stuff like IR portRemote control applications Would be great to use openmoko as a Hamony remote controller. I don't quite see the necessity in running you tv with your cellphone I don't have much use for a fancy TV remote, but I would very much like to use my phone as a remote for my Squeezebox music system (http://www.slimdevices.com/). It would be great to be able to frob the web UI while sitting on the couch, since that's a lot more expressive than slowly crawling through the two-line display on the box using the IR remote. Just because you don't want to do something with your phone doesn't mean that the rest of us share your feelings. This is open source, and it moves forward because people work on what interest them. The end result is something that's stronger for everyone. -- -- Dirk Bergstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://otisbean.com/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Well put and understood. However, adding extra hardware to the phone so it can do things not within the sensibility of the majority of users is not a good practice. I too would enjoy interfacing with different devices over the internet, wifi, or bluetooth and would expect such software to be developed by someone someday. -- Sayonara, Kamisamanou Burgess http://www.kamisamanou.net ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Idea: Vibrator as keyboard click
Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: That's a nice idea. I wonder a) whether the softest movement we can do with the vibrator that would still not be interfering with operating the device and b) how much power such an option would suck. Was wondering this (b) myself, but doesn't seem like it would take much more than an incoming call that runs the vibrator for large chunks of a second several times.. A worthy tradeoff, especially considering the lack of feedback otherwise on the touch screen. If nobody else beats me to it, I'll hop on it as soon as I get my grubbies on a Neo. ;-) -P ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Idea: Vibrator as keyboard click
On 12/27/06 8:28 AM, Ole Tange [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Neo only has a touch screen which makes it hard to feel if a key is pressed. A click sound can help, but sound can be annoying to your environment. Visual feedback helps, but it would be nice to feel it too. You could have the phone move slightly if the vibrator is activated for a very short time (e.g. 50 ms). This would give a silent, yet destinctive feedback. Very cool idea!...but I think I remember hearing from somebody that this is patented. Does anybody here know? -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Idea: Optimal noisy vibrator
A corollary to changing the speed of the vibration is creating the bass of a ringtone out of vibrating the surface beneath the phone. The last Nokia I had did this for some of its polyphonic ringtones, but only to emphasize the bass, not produce it. Colin Igor Foox wrote: On 16-Dec-06, at 10:31 AM, Adam Goode wrote: Ole Tange wrote: When the phone is lying on a table it may be interesting to get the most noise from the vibrator as possible. By changing the frequency of the vibrator and analysing the sound level on the microphone the phone can determine with frequency is most noisy for vibrating on this surface. Wow! This is a cool idea! It would help me the most to have this feature on the bus, where the normal vibrations of the vehicle completely mask the phone vibrator. If the phone could auto-adapt to the ambient vibrations to create a buzz that could be felt, this would be a great feature. That would be very cool indeed! Similarly having the phone adjust the ring level based on ambient noise would be _really_ cool (I don't remember if this was discussed before). I miss calls on the bus or a busy street all the time, because I have the phone set to a medium-loundess ring. Igor ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Idea: Optimal noisy vibrator
If it's anything like this: http://www.mpja.com/category/DC__Motors/6mm_CELL_PHONE_VIBRATOR_MOTOR_16053_MD.asp then it could be possible to monitor any current generated from the DC motor as a result of the phone being moved (along certain axis'). Richard ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Idea: Optimal noisy vibrator
When the phone is lying on a table it may be interesting to get the most noise from the vibrator as possible. By changing the frequency of the vibrator and analysing the sound level on the microphone the phone can determine with frequency is most noisy for vibrating on this surface. /Ole ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Idea: Optimal noisy vibrator
The intention of a vibrator is to silently alert you when the phone is in your pocket. I think the sound of vibration on a table is an awful horrible sound, and often results in the phone vibrating itself off the table too. On 12/15/06, Ole Tange [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When the phone is lying on a table it may be interesting to get the most noise from the vibrator as possible. By changing the frequency of the vibrator and analysing the sound level on the microphone the phone can determine with frequency is most noisy for vibrating on this surface. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
