Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)
On Jan 11, 2008 12:21 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Lon, Will from our office pointed me at these, but that was yesterday and apparently even more have appeared: http://gizmodo.com/341755/openmoko-neo-freerunner-linux-smartphone-hands+on http://takezero.net/3g-and-mobile-news/hands-on-with-fics-openmoko-powered-freerunner-2 I couldn't help noticing that the takezero.net post reads like it was produced using Markov Chains. Forgive my naivete if this is an inside joke of some kind. I was surprised to see at least one expletive in the post. Perhaps it's a case of digital graffiti? Ken Smith http://youtube.com/watch?v=SZsps3bj6yE I've added a link to these at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Current_events. If anyone finds more, please add them here. Michael Lon Lentz wrote: Michael, Are you aware of any online sites that might have done any video of this? On Jan 10, 2008 4:20 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, A brief status report from OpenMoko: Consumer Electronics Show, Las Vegas We've just returned from CES where we showed the Neo FreeRunner (GTA02). Although this was still a prototype it performed fairly well. The UI we had installed was the same as the most recent for GTA01. Of course most of the press was interested in this as a consumer device. Nonetheless, interest was very high. A number of Linux and Open Source enthusiasts came by, and of course they were thrilled. Most of them already knew about this project but wanted to see the GTA02 and to hold it in their hands. We were also visited by some Linux luminaries (Doc Searls, Maddog), which is always very thrilling. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)
Hello, On Jan 12, 2008 7:42 AM, Jeff Andros [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: agreed... plus how often does a consumer ready phone get rebooted? last time I did mine was to swap the sim card into my neo In my experience it is like this: Nokia phones needs to be rebooted every week. This has been true for all Nokia phones I have used, and is also true for the Nokia E61 I'm currently using. If not rebooted, some functions of the phone will fail. For the E61, it suddenly starts to say disk full when I try to sync email onto it. After a reboot it is fine again. I have only used a few Sony-Ericsson phones, but they tend to only need reboot every two weeks. My latest experience was the K710, it did all sorts of funny things if it was not rebooted. Like - the alarm didn't work, - outgoing calls failed, - ringing didn't work and so on. IMO, rebooting a phone shouldn't be necessary during normal use. I am hoping that any phone running OpenMoko will be much, much better in this area.. -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)
On Saturday 12 January 2008 07:26:18 Ted Lemon wrote: On Jan 11, 2008, at 3:20 PM, Lon Lentz wrote: I read the not so happy comments following the Gizmodo article. A lot of those comments have been made here on this list. Like the repeated ones about the boot scroll being visible. I thought that was weird. The boot scroll is one of my favorite parts! imo its a much better feature then looking at a boot graphic that never stops looping and wonder why it does not... ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)
On Friday 11 January 2008 23:20:51 Lon Lentz wrote: I would recommend everyone go read Wired's article on the story of the iPhone development. Read about how well their prototype did. Hint: The iPhone didn't magically appear as a finished project out of thin air by shear will power. The power of Marketing is strong, but not that strong. while a interesting read, i get a feel that apple is just uncle jobs and some faceless engineers doing the dirty work after he have done all the planing... hoovers g-men anyone? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)
On Jan 12, 2008 3:12 PM, kenneth marken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: imo its a much better feature then looking at a boot graphic that never stops looping and wonder why it does not... For sure, but it seem importqnt to be able to hide the boot scroll for mass market. Not all people are open to the beauty of a boot scrolling :) -- Zitune GNU/Linux is user-friendly. It's just very selective about who its friends are. http://www.april.org/ 010 001 111 ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re[2]: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)
Ted Lemon wrote: On Jan 11, 2008, at 3:20 PM, Lon Lentz wrote: I read the not so happy comments following the Gizmodo article. A lot of those comments have been made here on this list. Like the repeated ones about the boot scroll being visible. I thought that was weird. The boot scroll is one of my favorite parts! Yeah, we left that in on purpose -- especially for the geeks. Of course, it's scheduled for removal in a consumer-only release (whenever that may come) release. Well I guess you just can't please everyone :/ Regards, :M: -- Dr. Michael 'Mickey' Lauer | IT-Freelancer | http://www.vanille-media.de ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re[2]: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)
Hello, On Jan 12, 2008 5:34 PM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, we left that in on purpose -- especially for the geeks. Of course, it's scheduled for removal in a consumer-only release (whenever that may come) release. Well I guess you just can't please everyone :/ Easy to fix - leave it (boot scroll) as an option that can be turned on by the user, preferably in a geeky way involving shell and the virtual keyboard. :-) And we want the matrix screensaver too. :-) -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re[2]: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)
On Jan 12, 2008, at 9:55 AM, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: And we want the matrix screensaver too. :-) And it can't run down the batteries... :') ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Re[2]: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)
On Jan 12, 2008, at 9:34 AM, Michael 'Mickey' Lauer wrote: Well I guess you just can't please everyone :/ Sure you can - put a switch in the phone's advanced preferences! :') Anyway, I have always felt that with a little dress-up, the verbose startup could become reassuring rather than alarming. The reason it's alarming is mostly that it just sits there saying nothing intelligible to the end-user. If it said things like probing for Atheros ethernet device... found. or configuring network... then the end user might be less alarmed. If you don't know any better though I think it looks too much like a Windows crash, to which old- timers are too painfully accustomed. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)
On Friday 11 January 2008 21:21:41 Michael Shiloh wrote: Hi Lon, Will from our office pointed me at these, but that was yesterday and apparently even more have appeared: http://gizmodo.com/341755/openmoko-neo-freerunner-linux-smartphone-hands+on http://takezero.net/3g-and-mobile-news/hands-on-with-fics-openmoko-powered- freerunner-2 http://youtube.com/watch?v=SZsps3bj6yE So can we please get that all black Neo? Looks a lot nicer than the black/silver :P signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)
On 1/11/08, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Lon, Will from our office pointed me at these, but that was yesterday and apparently even more have appeared: http://gizmodo.com/341755/openmoko-neo-freerunner-linux-smartphone-hands+on http://takezero.net/3g-and-mobile-news/hands-on-with-fics-openmoko-powered-freerunner-2 http://youtube.com/watch?v=SZsps3bj6yE The comments are.. not so happy. :/ Oh well. We probably have a year to prove this thing to the world before it gets crushed and forgotten. -Nick ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)
On Jan 11, 2008 2:17 PM, Nick Guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The comments are.. not so happy. :/ Yeah it didn't make a good impression to show the boot messages, and a buggy crashing version of the UI. It really doesn't make sense, in that the rest of us are getting better results with the software releases. Oh well. We probably have a year to prove this thing to the world before it gets crushed and forgotten. I would hope there is a sexier follow-on product with even more features. But I imagine there will be increasing amounts of competition too. It's just that at this time, there is no other readily-available Linux phone which has a touchscreen, 640x480 resolution, and GPS. Those are the features which got me interested. (Besides being fully open, of course.) ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)
Hi Lon, Will from our office pointed me at these, but that was yesterday and apparently even more have appeared: http://gizmodo.com/341755/openmoko-neo-freerunner-linux-smartphone-hands+on http://takezero.net/3g-and-mobile-news/hands-on-with-fics-openmoko-powered-freerunner-2 http://youtube.com/watch?v=SZsps3bj6yE I've added a link to these at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Current_events. If anyone finds more, please add them here. Michael Lon Lentz wrote: Michael, Are you aware of any online sites that might have done any video of this? On Jan 10, 2008 4:20 PM, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, A brief status report from OpenMoko: Consumer Electronics Show, Las Vegas We've just returned from CES where we showed the Neo FreeRunner (GTA02). Although this was still a prototype it performed fairly well. The UI we had installed was the same as the most recent for GTA01. Of course most of the press was interested in this as a consumer device. Nonetheless, interest was very high. A number of Linux and Open Source enthusiasts came by, and of course they were thrilled. Most of them already knew about this project but wanted to see the GTA02 and to hold it in their hands. We were also visited by some Linux luminaries (Doc Searls, Maddog), which is always very thrilling. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)
Thanks, Michael. That was what I was looking for. Geek tech sites covering you guys at the show. I read the not so happy comments following the Gizmodo article. A lot of those comments have been made here on this list. Like the repeated ones about the boot scroll being visible. I would recommend everyone go read Wired's article on the story of the iPhone development. Read about how well their prototype did. Hint: The iPhone didn't magically appear as a finished project out of thin air by shear will power. The power of Marketing is strong, but not that strong. On Jan 11, 2008 4:17 PM, Nick Guenther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/11/08, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://gizmodo.com/341755/openmoko-neo-freerunner-linux-smartphone-hands+on http://takezero.net/3g-and-mobile-news/hands-on-with-fics-openmoko-powered-freerunner-2 http://youtube.com/watch?v=SZsps3bj6yE The comments are.. not so happy. :/ Oh well. We probably have a year to prove this thing to the world before it gets crushed and forgotten. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)
On Jan 11, 2008, at 3:20 PM, Lon Lentz wrote: I read the not so happy comments following the Gizmodo article. A lot of those comments have been made here on this list. Like the repeated ones about the boot scroll being visible. I thought that was weird. The boot scroll is one of my favorite parts! ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Videos and pictures of Neo FreeRunner at CES: (was: Re: community update, Thursday, January 10, 2008)
On Jan 11, 2008 11:26 PM, Ted Lemon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 11, 2008, at 3:20 PM, Lon Lentz wrote: I read the not so happy comments following the Gizmodo article. A lot of those comments have been made here on this list. Like the repeated ones about the boot scroll being visible. I thought that was weird. The boot scroll is one of my favorite parts! agreed... plus how often does a consumer ready phone get rebooted? last time I did mine was to swap the sim card into my neo -- Jeff O|||O ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
