Re: Web site promoting open hardware?
On Thu, 2009-09-10 at 11:00 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: While looking for new hardware, I noticed that all the open hardware I know, I discovered it by accident while reading some mailing-list. Is there a web site somewhere that kind of centralizes this info to try and make it easier for openness-conscious consumers to find appropriate hardware? Of course, there are various notions of open hardware, so there might be parts of the site for hardware-hackers, for example, but I'm more interested in a web-site for end-users. Also it might include hardware that is not itself open source, but where the company states a clear commitment to Free Software principles. There is also http://www.elinux.org/Products I.e. a site that links to things like Openmoko, Qi, AlwaysInnovating, maybe Lemote, OpenPandora, ... There is also the bug (I call it bug device) from buglabs: The bug device is: *100% Free software *also free hardware: **the design is available(pdf) **they didn't patent their design That(open-hardware) is also very important for this device because of the purpose of the device... with that device you can: *make your own modules(if you have the connector),for instance: http://community.buglabs.net/forums/8-BUGmodules/topics/363-First-Homebrew-Bug-module (/!\contains links to youtube videos,you can download them with youtube-dl or view them with vlc,gnash,firefox+greasemonkey+a script) *use the von hippel to interface with electronics circuits What is the bug device: That's hard to describe: Basically the bug device is a base + additional modules: http://store.buglabs.net/ lists the avaliables modules... For using the modules the preferred way is to use their java framework based on concierge OSGI,and java-me(with extended classes...) There is an eclipse plugin that easier the setup... But someone can also use python for instance or other programming languages For python what has been done is here: http://bugcommunity.com/wiki/index.php/Develop_with_Python python bindings are not very advanced but some development tricks are explained(how to unpack struct...how to do ioctls...in python) By the way I don't think you can add more than 2 screens(I started coding a media player in pygtk that used the 2 screens)... and usb support is not so great with the previous kernel I tested(not the lastest one...the one just before...I'll upgrade) but you have usb2 on the von hippel Basically some things work such as my wifi card(I've an old version of the bug device without wifi),audio card,mouse,keyboard(warning has an old kdrive...I tested my keyboard with a game that use the framebuffer directly),but not my tv card didn't work Denis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Web site promoting open hardware?
Hello, we, at Bearstech, are currently working on such initiative. The main goal is to promote hackable devices and create a strong community around this idea. The main features will be : * promote open source and hackable devices * create and manage projects which use such devices (a bit like sourceforge but for hardware hacking) * link people between them and promote hackable events Regards, Jérôme Blondon. Le jeudi 10 septembre 2009 à 11:00 -0400, Stefan Monnier a écrit : While looking for new hardware, I noticed that all the open hardware I know, I discovered it by accident while reading some mailing-list. Is there a web site somewhere that kind of centralizes this info to try and make it easier for openness-conscious consumers to find appropriate hardware? Of course, there are various notions of open hardware, so there might be parts of the site for hardware-hackers, for example, but I'm more interested in a web-site for end-users. Also it might include hardware that is not itself open source, but where the company states a clear commitment to Free Software principles. I.e. a site that links to things like Openmoko, Qi, AlwaysInnovating, maybe Lemote, OpenPandora, ... Any hint? Stefan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Web site promoting open hardware?
Hello, there is a number of websites which centralize this information and try to promote open source hardware, link people and build a community around that in one or the other way. If you want a pure list of open source hardware devices, you might like OpenCores: http://opencores.org/projects More projects and more details can be found on this page which uses a wiki to maintain their list: http://p2pfoundation.net/Product_Hacking And there is my page, Open Innovation Projects. There you'll find a directory of projects including open source hardware and other open source projects beyond IT software and hardware. Our goal is to connect those projects and build a community around, but so far the interest was rather limited, but the list of projects is well established and contains a lot of details about the projects: http://open-innovation-projects.org/project-list/ Let me know if you don't find what you're looking for and I'll send you some more pages like that ;-) Cheers Kerba On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 10:39:52 +0200, jbl2024 jbl2...@hackable1.org wrote: Hello, we, at Bearstech, are currently working on such initiative. The main goal is to promote hackable devices and create a strong community around this idea. The main features will be : * promote open source and hackable devices * create and manage projects which use such devices (a bit like sourceforge but for hardware hacking) * link people between them and promote hackable events Regards, Jérôme Blondon. Le jeudi 10 septembre 2009 à 11:00 -0400, Stefan Monnier a écrit : While looking for new hardware, I noticed that all the open hardware I know, I discovered it by accident while reading some mailing-list. Is there a web site somewhere that kind of centralizes this info to try and make it easier for openness-conscious consumers to find appropriate hardware? Of course, there are various notions of open hardware, so there might be parts of the site for hardware-hackers, for example, but I'm more interested in a web-site for end-users. Also it might include hardware that is not itself open source, but where the company states a clear commitment to Free Software principles. I.e. a site that links to things like Openmoko, Qi, AlwaysInnovating, maybe Lemote, OpenPandora, ... Any hint? Stefan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Web site promoting open hardware?
Stefan Monnier monn...@iro.umontreal.ca writes: While looking for new hardware, I noticed that all the open hardware I know, I discovered it by accident while reading some mailing-list. Is there a web site somewhere that kind of centralizes this info to try and make it easier for openness-conscious consumers to find appropriate hardware? Of course, there are various notions of open hardware, so there might be parts of the site for hardware-hackers, for example, but I'm more interested in a web-site for end-users. Also it might include hardware that is not itself open source, but where the company states a clear commitment to Free Software principles. I.e. a site that links to things like Openmoko, Qi, AlwaysInnovating, maybe Lemote, OpenPandora, ... Any hint? Stefan http://groups.fsf.org/wiki/Freest_hardware_comparisons has been developing for a bit. -- -John Sullivan -http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:JohnSullivan -GPG Key: AE8600B6 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Web site promoting open hardware?
One Question here. Under Openmoko - The bad it says: The basses are filtred on the headphones output...because of a capacitor which value was too low(can't be fixed) What is the bassfix than? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_bass_fix Maybe someone could correct the page. On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 08:26, John Sullivan j...@wjsullivan.net wrote: Stefan Monnier monn...@iro.umontreal.ca writes: http://groups.fsf.org/wiki/Freest_hardware_comparisons has been developing for a bit. -- -John Sullivan -http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:JohnSullivan -GPG http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:JohnSullivan%0A-GPG Key: AE8600B6 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Web site promoting open hardware?
what would drive someone to this site/list and what are the criteria people are looking for? The main reason is to provide financial support to companies that support my ideals rather than to those that undermine them. Stefan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Web site promoting open hardware?
Short answer as an end user: because I want to be able to fix or modify stuff I buy, not rely on the whim of the manufacturer. Longer answer: Products are rarely exactly what I want, and I'm not afraid to modify them to get what I'm after. Access to mechanical and electrical dessign documentation makes this both easier and more effective. With software-based products the openness is more necessary. My TV contains some GPL software, but nobody has worked out how to build a complete firmware image, let alone load one, so I can't readily fix any of the niggles or add features. Also I hate arbitrary limitations and designed obsolescence. Phones are a good example; why should I need to buy a new handset to get a feature the existing hardware is capable of, and supposed to have, but doesn't because of botched firmware the manufacturer has decided not to fix? Why is this simple software feature only available on the 'pro' model at 3 times the price, or not available at all? Finally I find the faults somehow less irritating when I know I could fix them if I could be bothered. Small scale commercial answer: because custom software on an existing open platform can make small market niches commercially viable when they wouldn't be otherwise. On Friday 11 September 2009, Wolfgang Spraul wrote: Stefan, what would drive someone to this site/list and what are the criteria people are looking for? I think at some point I will start to work on a table of 'hackable' hardware, because at least technically it's relatively easy to pin down features: Reflashable, unbrickable, all drivers in source form or some in binary, toolchain open, schematics/datasheets/layout/BOM published or not, etc. But this is only interesting to hackers, not normal users. What if a company supports the free software scene covertly (quite a few do because the reason they fear openness are patents, not hackers)? Who should 'rank' or 'qualify' hardware makers for how 'open' they are? I think we first need to define why someone is looking for openness, and what they expect from it. Can you explain your motives? What makes you interested in Openmoko, Qi, OpenPandora, etc.? Thanks, Wolfgang On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:00:49AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: While looking for new hardware, I noticed that all the open hardware I know, I discovered it by accident while reading some mailing-list. Is there a web site somewhere that kind of centralizes this info to try and make it easier for openness-conscious consumers to find appropriate hardware? Of course, there are various notions of open hardware, so there might be parts of the site for hardware-hackers, for example, but I'm more interested in a web-site for end-users. Also it might include hardware that is not itself open source, but where the company states a clear commitment to Free Software principles. I.e. a site that links to things like Openmoko, Qi, AlwaysInnovating, maybe Lemote, OpenPandora, ... Any hint? Stefan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Web site promoting open hardware?
2009/9/11 Stefan Monnier monn...@iro.umontreal.ca: While looking for new hardware, I noticed that all the open hardware I know, I discovered it by accident while reading some mailing-list. Is there a web site somewhere that kind of centralizes this info to try and make it easier for openness-conscious consumers to find appropriate hardware? Of course, there are various notions of open hardware, so there might be parts of the site for hardware-hackers, for example, but I'm more interested in a web-site for end-users. Also it might include hardware that is not itself open source, but where the company states a clear commitment to Free Software principles. I.e. a site that links to things like Openmoko, Qi, AlwaysInnovating, maybe Lemote, OpenPandora, ... this guy looks like he wants to do something around this idea, but he also looks like he's not progressed too far. maybe he has ideas but needs some motivation/help? he talks of open hardware certification, whatever that is http://openhardware.org/ decent domain name, no? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Web site promoting open hardware?
While looking for new hardware, I noticed that all the open hardware I know, I discovered it by accident while reading some mailing-list. Is there a web site somewhere that kind of centralizes this info to try and make it easier for openness-conscious consumers to find appropriate hardware? Of course, there are various notions of open hardware, so there might be parts of the site for hardware-hackers, for example, but I'm more interested in a web-site for end-users. Also it might include hardware that is not itself open source, but where the company states a clear commitment to Free Software principles. I.e. a site that links to things like Openmoko, Qi, AlwaysInnovating, maybe Lemote, OpenPandora, ... Any hint? Stefan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Web site promoting open hardware?
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Stefan Monnier monn...@iro.umontreal.cawrote: While looking for new hardware, I noticed that all the open hardware I know, I discovered it by accident while reading some mailing-list. Is there a web site somewhere that kind of centralizes this info to try and make it easier for openness-conscious consumers to find appropriate hardware? Of course, there are various notions of open hardware, so there might be parts of the site for hardware-hackers, for example, but I'm more interested in a web-site for end-users. Also it might include hardware that is not itself open source, but where the company states a clear commitment to Free Software principles. I.e. a site that links to things like Openmoko, Qi, AlwaysInnovating, maybe Lemote, OpenPandora, ... Any hint? Stefan Someone mentioned something similar on the qi-hardware developer list. I think its a good idea for a tree of (near) open hardware projects be developed. Any volunteers? cofundus project? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Web site promoting open hardware?
Stefan, what would drive someone to this site/list and what are the criteria people are looking for? I think at some point I will start to work on a table of 'hackable' hardware, because at least technically it's relatively easy to pin down features: Reflashable, unbrickable, all drivers in source form or some in binary, toolchain open, schematics/datasheets/layout/BOM published or not, etc. But this is only interesting to hackers, not normal users. What if a company supports the free software scene covertly (quite a few do because the reason they fear openness are patents, not hackers)? Who should 'rank' or 'qualify' hardware makers for how 'open' they are? I think we first need to define why someone is looking for openness, and what they expect from it. Can you explain your motives? What makes you interested in Openmoko, Qi, OpenPandora, etc.? Thanks, Wolfgang On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:00:49AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: While looking for new hardware, I noticed that all the open hardware I know, I discovered it by accident while reading some mailing-list. Is there a web site somewhere that kind of centralizes this info to try and make it easier for openness-conscious consumers to find appropriate hardware? Of course, there are various notions of open hardware, so there might be parts of the site for hardware-hackers, for example, but I'm more interested in a web-site for end-users. Also it might include hardware that is not itself open source, but where the company states a clear commitment to Free Software principles. I.e. a site that links to things like Openmoko, Qi, AlwaysInnovating, maybe Lemote, OpenPandora, ... Any hint? Stefan ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
