What should be included in packaging (was: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)
I am one of those crazy people who use the neo 1973 as their everyday phone, and I NEVER use the pouch. Does any current every day user use the pouch or lanyard? I lost the stylus (it's way too cool; if you forget it at a restaurant or something, you don't get a call asking if you want it back :-) For me, the must have list would be just the charger. However, to me this seems like a super-simple problem to solve! By default (after the 'goodies' release, of course), you just get the phone. Anything else may be useless junk to any particular customer, destined for a landfill. By default, you just get the phone, but you are given a little list of all the extras with a checkbox for each to see if you want it in your package. They are reasonably priced, and shipped in the same packaging as the phone. There is clear text that you will need a Neo specific charger to automatically get fast charge, and that only a 2.5 mm headphone compatible with X mobile phone will work. Something like this: Your shopping cart: 1 $399 Neo FreeRunner Would you like any of the following add-ons? [ ] $9.99 Wall charger (the Neo can only fast charge from a Neo compatible charger or a computer USB cable) (*What is this?*) [ ] $3.99 USB to mini-A cable (*What is this?*) [ ] $9.99 powered USB host cable (*What is this?*) [ ] $2.99 cool Neo FreeRunner lanyard (*What is this?*) ... Of course, I'm sure other answers seem just as obviously correct to others :-) Bobby Not providing SD card could take off taxes about private copy or other bullshits like that from RIAA and friends... as I said in a previous mail. To me charger should be provided, with stylus, headset and pouch at least. -- Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country. — Hermann Göring at the Nuremberg trials ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What should be included in packaging (was: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)
Hi, I think you are right. There are two main opinions on getting the phone. The geek way and the end user way. Geeks have other needs or wishes than end users have. What about addon packs to a basic phone with charger? Dirk ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What should be included in packaging (was: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)
On Mon, 2008-04-14 at 10:33 -0500, Bobby Martin wrote: I lost the stylus (it's way too cool; if you forget it at a restaurant or something, you don't get a call asking if you want it back :-) They are $3 a piece w/ shipping included if you take ten. For example this one here: http://cgi.ebay.com/10-x-4in1-Red-LASER-Pointer-LED-Torch-PDA-Stylus-PEN_W0QQitemZ220223455957QQihZ012QQ No need to buy another Neo to get a new pen ;-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What should be included in packaging (was: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)
I'm in the same position as Bobby. I use my Neo as my primary phone as well as my digital media player. I haven't touched the lanyard or the pouch since I took them out of the box. But I also don't use my stylus. My stylus was neat in the beginning, because I could use it to play with my cats, but as a functional part of the Neo I find it a hinderance. I bring this up because I think it MIGHT be relevant. The Neo doesn't have a slot for a stylus. In the discussion of what will be an accessory and what will be part of the package, I think the stylus is the only one that has an actual impact to the software. If the stylus is NOT included in the box, the software should be written in a way to not need it. I'd personally be QUITE happy with this but I'm pretty sure there are many people who would disagree. But if the software won't be thumb oriented, the stylus is NOT an accessory. I like Bobby's idea, the click here to buy this accessory but I think Steve has pretty much ruled that out. Openmoko isn't going to purchase and stock items without a profit and if it did that, it would be passing unneeded expense to the customer. What I think is the most prudent method to take is to have an openmoko branded Approved stamp. This could be community OR vendor initiated. I know that my iGo charger works without issue on the Neo with the Check Fast Charge applet. I see no reason that Openmoko couldn't recommend this on the site once the product goes mainstream. It would allow the customer to make their own decisions, still leave a TON of options, let the customer pick the best price and ensure a decently high level of quality. On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-04-14 at 10:33 -0500, Bobby Martin wrote: I lost the stylus (it's way too cool; if you forget it at a restaurant or something, you don't get a call asking if you want it back :-) They are $3 a piece w/ shipping included if you take ten. For example this one here: http://cgi.ebay.com/10-x-4in1-Red-LASER-Pointer-LED-Torch-PDA-Stylus-PEN_W0QQitemZ220223455957QQihZ012QQ No need to buy another Neo to get a new pen ;-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What should be included in packaging (was: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)
That's a good idea, but for the most part that approved stamp can be fulfilled through the wiki. I'm sure there is already list of compatible hardware / devices that work with the NEO. I suggest you add your iGo charger to that list. On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Kevin Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in the same position as Bobby. I use my Neo as my primary phone as well as my digital media player. I haven't touched the lanyard or the pouch since I took them out of the box. But I also don't use my stylus. My stylus was neat in the beginning, because I could use it to play with my cats, but as a functional part of the Neo I find it a hinderance. I bring this up because I think it MIGHT be relevant. The Neo doesn't have a slot for a stylus. In the discussion of what will be an accessory and what will be part of the package, I think the stylus is the only one that has an actual impact to the software. If the stylus is NOT included in the box, the software should be written in a way to not need it. I'd personally be QUITE happy with this but I'm pretty sure there are many people who would disagree. But if the software won't be thumb oriented, the stylus is NOT an accessory. I like Bobby's idea, the click here to buy this accessory but I think Steve has pretty much ruled that out. Openmoko isn't going to purchase and stock items without a profit and if it did that, it would be passing unneeded expense to the customer. What I think is the most prudent method to take is to have an openmoko branded Approved stamp. This could be community OR vendor initiated. I know that my iGo charger works without issue on the Neo with the Check Fast Charge applet. I see no reason that Openmoko couldn't recommend this on the site once the product goes mainstream. It would allow the customer to make their own decisions, still leave a TON of options, let the customer pick the best price and ensure a decently high level of quality. On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-04-14 at 10:33 -0500, Bobby Martin wrote: I lost the stylus (it's way too cool; if you forget it at a restaurant or something, you don't get a call asking if you want it back :-) They are $3 a piece w/ shipping included if you take ten. For example this one here: http://cgi.ebay.com/10-x-4in1-Red-LASER-Pointer-LED-Torch-PDA-Stylus-PEN_W0QQitemZ220223455957QQihZ012QQ No need to buy another Neo to get a new pen ;-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: What should be included in packaging (was: Re: FreeRunner Pricing and PVT update)
I'll add it at some point. The reason I haven't is because right now the Fast Charge applet isn't part of the Openmoko stack. A default image of Openmoko doesn't support this charger in fast mode (which is the ONLY think I'm concerened about, frankly). And... This might show my own biases, but I can't STAND wiki. The general consensus among commoners is that, because wiki can be changed by anyone, they're unreliable. I know this isn't the case, and i do assume that the vast majority of people are doing things with good intention, but having OFFICIAL documentation on a wiki is about as good for the average consumer as having no documentation at all. On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Tim Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a good idea, but for the most part that approved stamp can be fulfilled through the wiki. I'm sure there is already list of compatible hardware / devices that work with the NEO. I suggest you add your iGo charger to that list. On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Kevin Dean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in the same position as Bobby. I use my Neo as my primary phone as well as my digital media player. I haven't touched the lanyard or the pouch since I took them out of the box. But I also don't use my stylus. My stylus was neat in the beginning, because I could use it to play with my cats, but as a functional part of the Neo I find it a hinderance. I bring this up because I think it MIGHT be relevant. The Neo doesn't have a slot for a stylus. In the discussion of what will be an accessory and what will be part of the package, I think the stylus is the only one that has an actual impact to the software. If the stylus is NOT included in the box, the software should be written in a way to not need it. I'd personally be QUITE happy with this but I'm pretty sure there are many people who would disagree. But if the software won't be thumb oriented, the stylus is NOT an accessory. I like Bobby's idea, the click here to buy this accessory but I think Steve has pretty much ruled that out. Openmoko isn't going to purchase and stock items without a profit and if it did that, it would be passing unneeded expense to the customer. What I think is the most prudent method to take is to have an openmoko branded Approved stamp. This could be community OR vendor initiated. I know that my iGo charger works without issue on the Neo with the Check Fast Charge applet. I see no reason that Openmoko couldn't recommend this on the site once the product goes mainstream. It would allow the customer to make their own decisions, still leave a TON of options, let the customer pick the best price and ensure a decently high level of quality. On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Marcus Bauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-04-14 at 10:33 -0500, Bobby Martin wrote: I lost the stylus (it's way too cool; if you forget it at a restaurant or something, you don't get a call asking if you want it back :-) They are $3 a piece w/ shipping included if you take ten. For example this one here: http://cgi.ebay.com/10-x-4in1-Red-LASER-Pointer-LED-Torch-PDA-Stylus-PEN_W0QQitemZ220223455957QQihZ012QQ No need to buy another Neo to get a new pen ;-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
