Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up).

2007-08-27 Thread ---
Just an information about: That will be a very different layout than someone who does short hand or abbreviated messaging. the layouts are not so different as you think... Using the same language on conversations if you produce a layout optimized to that language it will cover the full word and

Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up).

2007-08-27 Thread Jonathon Suggs
Lars Hallberg wrote: You mean 8 drag directions + just press+relese... 9 functions per key. Might work. Guess testing on the device is how to find out. But 6x5 keyboard with 8 drag directions give: 6 9 9 9 9 6 6 9 9 9 9 6 4 6 6 6 6 4 A total of 128 'keys'... Good *if* it works :-) As someone

Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up).

2007-08-26 Thread Josef Wolf
[ I warm-up this old thread again... ] On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 12:02:31AM +0200, Lars Hallberg wrote: a mock-up on a 90-key by one stroke finger keyboard. Think this might be an usable and pretty efficient input method. http://www.micropp.se/openmoko/ This looks very promising. I like

Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up).

2007-08-26 Thread Lars Hallberg
Josef Wolf skrev: [ I warm-up this old thread again... ] On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 12:02:31AM +0200, Lars Hallberg wrote: a mock-up on a 90-key by one stroke finger keyboard. Think this might be an usable and pretty efficient input method. http://www.micropp.se/openmoko/ This looks very

Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up).

2007-08-26 Thread Tim Newsom
On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 9:36, Lars Hallberg wrote: Josef Wolf skrev: [ I warm-up this old thread again... ] On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 12:02:31AM +0200, Lars Hallberg wrote: a mock-up on a 90-key by one stroke finger keyboard. Think this might be an usable and pretty efficient input method.

Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up).

2007-08-26 Thread Edwin Lock
So you have to get used to it every time again? doesn't seem like a very good idea. My experience is that people like to get used to things and do them like the got used to, not change.. - Edwin On 26/08/07, Tim Newsom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 9:36, Lars Hallberg wrote:

Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up).

2007-08-26 Thread Lars Hallberg
Tim Newsom skrev: What about a continuously variable system which starts with the most commonly used letters and then adjusts itself based on user input. It could learn which letters a specific person uses to type and make them more prominent. Then, depending on modes the programming or web

Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up).

2007-08-26 Thread Andraž 'ruskie' Levstik
On 20:15:37 2007-08-26 Edwin Lock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you have to get used to it every time again? doesn't seem like a very good idea. My experience is that people like to get used to things and do them like the got used to, not change.. - Edwin A dynamic input... I like it...

Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up).

2007-08-26 Thread Josef Wolf
On Sun, Aug 26, 2007 at 06:04:15PM +0200, Lars Hallberg wrote: Josef Wolf skrev: [ I warm-up this old thread again... ] On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 12:02:31AM +0200, Lars Hallberg wrote: a mock-up on a 90-key by one stroke finger keyboard. Think this might be an usable and pretty efficient

Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up).

2007-08-26 Thread Lars Hallberg
Josef Wolf skrev: On Sun, Aug 26, 2007 at 06:04:15PM +0200, Lars Hallberg wrote: Josef Wolf skrev: [ I warm-up this old thread again... ] On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 12:02:31AM +0200, Lars Hallberg wrote: a mock-up on a 90-key by one stroke finger keyboard. Think this might be an usable and

Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up).

2007-08-26 Thread Mohammed Musallam
would be discussed. - Original Message From: Josef Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 3:51:50 PM Subject: Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up). On Sun, Aug 26, 2007 at 06:04:15PM +0200, Lars Hallberg wrote: Josef Wolf skrev

Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up).

2007-08-26 Thread Lars Hallberg
Mohammed Musallam skrev: I believe a simple two character per key would be more than enough as a start (where the current phones are 3 chars per key). A full qwerty is too dense, so cut the density in half by bundling 2 keys into one. The point with the design is not to use modifiers for the

RE: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up).

2007-08-26 Thread Richard Reichenbacher
does it with the Wii. Richard Reichenbacher -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Josef Wolf Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 12:52 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up). On Sun, Aug 26, 2007 at 06

Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up).

2007-08-26 Thread Lars Hallberg
Richard Reichenbacher skrev: Is setting up a keyboard for programming really all that necessary? I for one is more likely to ssh out of the phone. My main drive to get a neo is: a) Make some good fun and use out of time wasted in places where there are no computer or net around. Think

RE: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up).

2007-08-26 Thread Richard Reichenbacher
going to be texting or adding tasks and contacts. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lars Hallberg Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 4:52 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up). Richard

Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up).

2007-08-26 Thread Giles Jones
On 27 Aug 2007, at 01:39, Richard Reichenbacher wrote: Well if this phone is going to make some kind of impact on the cellular industry it needs to offer simple and easy to use text input primarily intended for sms, adding contacts, etc. Coders are in the minority here. 90% of the time

Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up).

2007-08-26 Thread Tim Newsom
On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 11:35, Andraž 'ruskie' Levstik wrote: On 20:15:37 2007-08-26 Edwin Lock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you have to get used to it every time again? doesn't seem like a very good idea. My experience is that people like to get used to things and do them like the got used

Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up).

2007-03-07 Thread Lars Hallberg
Lars Hallberg skrev: Gabriel Ambuehl skrev: I meant for the second level, where they are essentially already in a hexagonal shape... Yes, hexagons is better then yes.. just harder to mock up ;-) Thinking more on it... hexagons is not best... as the splash pops up in the center of the

Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up).

2007-03-07 Thread michael
On Wed, 7 Mar 2007, Lars Hallberg wrote: Lars Hallberg skrev: Gabriel Ambuehl skrev: I meant for the second level, where they are essentially already in a hexagonal shape... Yes, hexagons is better then yes.. just harder to mock up ;-) Thinking more on it... hexagons is not best...

Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up)

2007-03-06 Thread a.tomkins3
http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/ Is an really interesting project, which might be nice to use on the phone for writting. Any thoughts? - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam

Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up)

2007-03-06 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/ Is an really interesting project, which might be nice to use on the phone for writting. Dunno -- it's a cool idea, but when I played with it I found it very difficult to actually control.

Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up).

2007-03-05 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Monday 05 March 2007 03:21:15 Florent THIERY wrote: Hey, great idea ! I'd be happy to use such a system. Yeah, it looks neat. I think I'd downscale the number of special chars though. I very much doubt you could actually read the characters on the Neo screen right now. But there's a

Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up).

2007-03-05 Thread Lars Hallberg
Gabriel Ambuehl skrev: On Monday 05 March 2007 03:21:15 Florent THIERY wrote: Yeah, it looks neat. I think I'd downscale the number of special chars though. I very much doubt you could actually read the characters on the Neo screen right now. Should be as clear as on the pictures... But You

Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up).

2007-03-05 Thread Krzysztof Kajkowski
I find this idea interesting but I thought of some modification - what about using there full QWERTY keyboard? There could be something like miniature keyboard displayed at the buttom but in QWERTY layout. You could use thumbs to press keys (more accuartely: areas where keys are - your thumb

Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up).

2007-03-05 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Monday 05 March 2007 11:34:47 Lars Hallberg wrote: Should be as clear as on the pictures... But You might need to look close... But the neo case have a hole for the nose for that special Clear yes, but also about 3 times smaller than on your desktop screen... purpose :-) Hopefully, You

Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up).

2007-03-05 Thread Ian Stirling
Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: On Monday 05 March 2007 11:34:47 Lars Hallberg wrote: Should be as clear as on the pictures... But You might need to look close... But the neo case have a hole for the nose for that special Clear yes, but also about 3 times smaller than on your desktop screen...

Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up).

2007-03-05 Thread Ian Stirling
Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: On Monday 05 March 2007 11:34:47 Lars Hallberg wrote: Should be as clear as on the pictures... But You might need to look close... But the neo case have a hole for the nose for that special Clear yes, but also about 3 times smaller than on your desktop screen...

Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up).

2007-03-05 Thread Jonathon Suggs
Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: Clear yes, but also about 3 times smaller than on your desktop screen... First, I really like this idea for input and think it has potential to being very intuitive while allowing a decent input rate. That said, the screen size (and corresponding button size) is an

Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up).

2007-03-05 Thread Jonathon Suggs
Ian Stirling wrote: Ideally - if designing it from a completely clean sheet, you want it so that 'typos' result in very different letters. a e 0 i o would be a spectacularly bad pick, for example, whereas a d 0 q f might be good. This is so autocorrection software can function

Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up).

2007-03-05 Thread Florent THIERY
About the graphics part, there's something i always found frustrating with existing virtual keyboards (say, the motorola EZX one): they remain hidden most of the time, but when you start typing in a text area, the keyboard appears, taking 70% of the screen. What could be done here (but it

Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up).

2007-03-05 Thread Gabriel Ambuehl
On Monday 05 March 2007 16:43:38 Florent THIERY wrote: For instance, type on a text input area; background (app) stays the same, the keyboard shows up, 80% transparent, but using optimized coloring (for instance, taking the exact negative of the background on every point), so that it's still

Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up).

2007-03-05 Thread Lars Hallberg
Gabriel Ambuehl skrev: On Monday 05 March 2007 11:34:47 Lars Hallberg wrote: Should be as clear as on the pictures... But You might need to look close... But the neo case have a hole for the nose for that special Clear yes, but also about 3 times smaller than on your desktop screen... You

Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up).

2007-03-05 Thread michael
On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, Ian Stirling wrote: Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: On Monday 05 March 2007 11:34:47 Lars Hallberg wrote: Should be as clear as on the pictures... But You might need to look close... But the neo case have a hole for the nose for that special Clear yes, but also about 3

Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up).

2007-03-05 Thread adrian cockcroft
This technology is eventually going to be available on Linux according to the author, there was a demo at ETel. http://www.almaden.ibm.com/u/zhai/shapewriter.htm Adrian On 3/5/07, Joe Pfeiffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How about making use of AI techniques and having

Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up).

2007-03-05 Thread Paul M
On Mon, 2007-03-05 at 13:50 +0100, Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: On Monday 05 March 2007 11:34:47 Lars Hallberg wrote: Should be as clear as on the pictures... But You might need to look close... But the neo case have a hole for the nose for that special Clear yes, but also about 3 times smaller

Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up).

2007-03-04 Thread Lars Hallberg
a mock-up on a 90-key by one stroke finger keyboard. Think this might be an usable and pretty efficient input method. http://www.micropp.se/openmoko/ /LaH ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: Yet another finger keybord (gui mock-up).

2007-03-04 Thread Florent THIERY
Hey, great idea ! I'd be happy to use such a system. But there's a problem i didn't find an answear to: - the neo will have a monopoint touchscreen (at least at first) - a finger is way bigger than a detectable area - What point will exactly be detected while pressing somewhere with a finger?