Re: distro nightmares ... can fdom help?
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Matt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: > > I would have thought to be able to iron out bugs and such, but I was > > expecting basic working functionality. For now I have my freerunner > > lying on my desk at home, doing nothing at all ... > > > Same for me. I can't bare to give up on it though. It may not be a > very useful phone, but I still like it as a device. > I actually feel a bit guilty or disloyal saying that I'm disappointed, > but the brutal truth is it doesn't make or receive calls as well as my > first mobile many years ago. I love the idea of an open source phone, > and I'm amazed at the effort and creativity of those involved. I think > perhaps I was a little naive about how open source stuff gets done. > That said, the process is fascinating too. I love the emergent aspect > of a group of passionate creative people. > > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > Once I loaded the Qtopia build (4.3.2 080808) I found it to have the minimum amount of stability and functionality I need in a cell phone. I am able to make/receive calls and text without hassle and have even been able to put some music (.ogg) on the sdram and listen. I was lucky to purchase a couple of extra batteries so on a couple of occasions where the battery went dead I was able to switch it out and then later recharge the nearly dead battery using one of the tricks picked up in this list. I would heartily recommend the Qtopia build if you are not interested in spending most of your time SSHing into the phone. In fact I ended up picking up another one from someone who didn't have the time to develop and let me buy it for a considerable discount so I can use one and develop on the other. desNotes -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: distro nightmares ... can fdom help?
Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: > I would have thought to be able to iron out bugs and such, but I was > expecting basic working functionality. For now I have my freerunner > lying on my desk at home, doing nothing at all ... > Same for me. I can't bare to give up on it though. It may not be a very useful phone, but I still like it as a device. I actually feel a bit guilty or disloyal saying that I'm disappointed, but the brutal truth is it doesn't make or receive calls as well as my first mobile many years ago. I love the idea of an open source phone, and I'm amazed at the effort and creativity of those involved. I think perhaps I was a little naive about how open source stuff gets done. That said, the process is fascinating too. I love the emergent aspect of a group of passionate creative people. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: distro nightmares ... can fdom help?
On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 03:35:51 +1000 Dale Maggee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My point though was more about the tone of your message. I also am > not a linux developer, and I also was expecting the software to be in > a much more functional state. I also was expecting a usable phone, > which in my mind includes reliable suspend and resume functionality, > but bringing negativity is not constructive and only serves to > alienate the people who will be solving these problems for you. > hmm .. maybe the tone of my original message was a bit off ... but after the x-th test I got tired of rebooting, testing, waiting for an alarm etc ... so I hereyby officialy appologize for the bad vibes I've send out. Now for the suspend/resume: here this has always worked fine, so can you tell me what doesn't work there? Maybe I can check/test that as well. Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: distro nightmares ... can fdom help?
On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:57:03 +0200 Franky Van Liedekerke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, just to let people know: I installed something (I guess it's > qtopia-x11-ring-profile or so) that allows me now to choose mp3 as a > ringtone as well ... need to test this out further, after I've > decreased the volume on the mp3. yup, this seems to working just fine: mp3 ringtones by default! Great! > > > - alarm: I use my cell phone for wake-up calls, but ASU isn't > > > reliable to give me the alarm. The phone unsuspends on time, but > > > the alarm doesn't sound, or an undetermined amount of minutes too > > > late. This seems to be the only phone in the world with this > > > problem... > > I have readed (not tested yet) than the last 2008.8-updates has > > solve this problem > > I just upgraded and did a quick test: it seems to work fine (no delay, > sound at the correct time, screen stays dark but is awake). More > testing is under way ... Hmm ... more testing reveals the same: it only works correct once after a reboot. No more reliable alarm sound after that. Better luck next upgrade. Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: distro nightmares ... can fdom help?
> On a sidenote: why do all my mails appear twice on the list? Or am I > subscribed twice by accident? > http://n2.nabble.com/Duplicates-td1078411ef1958.html#a1078411 http://n2.nabble.com/Duplicates-td1078411ef1958.html#a1078411 I amuse myself... ;) -D ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: distro nightmares ... can fdom help?
replies inline.. Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: > Dale, > > I *know* the state of the software, but I don't claim to be a kernel or > qtopia developer. I have some knowledge in linux (enough to maintain > some companies with it) but that doesn't mean I can do kernel > development. I'm no kernel hacker either, nor am I capable in any kind of linux programming (with the exception of freepascal / lazarus). writing a small GUI in python is hardly kernel development. Think of it as a learning experience - I've become a much better bash scripter since getting my freerunner. One day I'll move onto python. then comes "???" and "profit!" ;) > I would fix the alarm issue myself, but qtopia is kinda > chinese code to me. And for gui development: I personally am a console > freak, but when you want your phone to connect to your car, I don't see > myself typing half an hour on the console of my phone first to get > things going, so I would like a basic gui (but no experience there > whatsoever). > Like I said, everyone wants pretty GUIs, but I think that getting the low level stuff working properly is probably a slightly higher priority. Personally I'd prefer to see reliable suspend / resume before pretty GUIs. if you're really desperate for a GUI for something like connecting in your car, write yourself a script and make a .desktop file for it > I expect bug reports to be equally important than the fixes, and my > bugs are just questions I'm looking answers for, nothing more. > And I already did a fair amount of wiki search, testing, etc ... > The wiki is known and accepted to be in a pretty horrible state. This is something you don't even have to be a python developer to fix. You're better off searching the mailing lists [1] and bug reports [2], and if no bug exists, create one. > I'm very sorry not to be a developer though ... > you're not the only one - I'd love to be contributing more! My point though was more about the tone of your message. I also am not a linux developer, and I also was expecting the software to be in a much more functional state. I also was expecting a usable phone, which in my mind includes reliable suspend and resume functionality, but bringing negativity is not constructive and only serves to alienate the people who will be solving these problems for you. -D [1] http://lists.openmoko.org/nabble.html [2] http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/search?q= ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: distro nightmares ... can fdom help?
On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:01:17 +0200 David Samblas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't know what asu version did you tried but I have no detected > echo problems on the 2008.8-updates, so FDOM has no echo > > - choose a ringtone: ok, I can replace the wav file, but come on, no > > app available at all for asu? > No but If anyone develop one I will include it on FDOM as soon as > aviable Hi, just to let people know: I installed something (I guess it's qtopia-x11-ring-profile or so) that allows me now to choose mp3 as a ringtone as well ... need to test this out further, after I've decreased the volume on the mp3. > > - alarm: I use my cell phone for wake-up calls, but ASU isn't > > reliable to give me the alarm. The phone unsuspends on time, but > > the alarm doesn't sound, or an undetermined amount of minutes too > > late. This seems to be the only phone in the world with this > > problem... > I have readed (not tested yet) than the last 2008.8-updates has solve > this problem I just upgraded and did a quick test: it seems to work fine (no delay, sound at the correct time, screen stays dark but is awake). More testing is under way ... On a sidenote: why do all my mails appear twice on the list? Or am I subscribed twice by accident? Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: distro nightmares ... can fdom help?
Hi David, tx for your answers already. I'll update again now to test the alarm functionality. The rest: see inline. On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 18:01:17 +0200 David Samblas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > - prevent the copying of sim-card contacts to your phone (qtopia and > > asu). Ok, I can remove them from the sim, or change the sqlite db on > > te phone, but this is a basic setting on any phone. > > - remove all contacts from the phone (qtopia and asu). Again I can > > just clean up the sqlite db file here, but a simple sql script > > executed by a gui would be nice. > I was able to delete the contacts and messages directly from the apps > on the phone without the sim card, and no need to access the sqlite > db. are you using the contact app for this? > > - mplayer: plays mp3 just fine, but qtopia or asu media players are > > unable to play back one mp3 fine without hickups or distortion > > (distortion can be fixed by editing the mp3 and decreasing the > > volume by 20dB). Is this gstreamer bogging down the phone or just > > bad mp3 decoding? > I don't know, but I was thinking about do a basic frontend to mplayer > like the omview to replace the media player, a file filebrowser and a > basic control trough mouse gestures in the touch screen, but no find > time yet to get my hands dirty on this Is kino2 a possibility as mplayer frontend? > > - wifi: why on earth isn't wifi taking the nameservers given by > > dhcp? Is it the resolvconf issue that needs fixing here? Even my > > old archos 430 did that just fine from the beginning. Now I needed > > the usb0 connection working just to be able to get the wifi > > working, since no terminal app is installed by default on the > > phone. I did use the resolvconf wiki page to help me out here, but > > no dice for encrypted networks. Mofi maybe? > Both a terminal and Mofi are included on FDOM, but is courios, I have > to not to conect to usb before I want the wifi to make it work :) I did need usb0 to set my /etc/resolv.conf file correct ... maybe that got fixed as well? > > - bluetooth: no app on asu, and the qtopia-x11 bluetooth app doesn't > > do anything. > Remoko is tested an will be included in the next version of FSDOM it > works through bluethooth, so don't loos you hope yet :) tx, I'll check out remoko also. > Fat and Dirty Openmoko is nothing more than a 2008.8-update with apps > installed and some fixes maybe it can fit you needs or not only you > can anwer that question, try it and if you are happy/unhappy please > let me know, I will be glad if you can send me and exhaustive > bug/improvements list as you have done with other distributions. nope, totally happy with your answers. Tx! Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: distro nightmares ... can fdom help?
On Fri, 12 Sep 2008 00:54:01 +1000 Dale Maggee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You know, in the time you spent griping about these well known > issues, you could have started writing a GUI to change your ringtone. > Worse, people who are smarter than you or me could have spent the > time they'll spend reading your message fixing issues instead. > > You say that "This seems to be the only phone in the world with this > problem", but it's also the only phone in the world where you can > help fix these problems. > > You're dealing with an early version of Open Source software, live > with it, or help fix it. We all want to see pretty GUIs and the other > issues solved, but whining is not constructive. > > If you want to find fixes for these problems, try searching the > lists. many of them have been discussed. Dale, I *know* the state of the software, but I don't claim to be a kernel or qtopia developer. I have some knowledge in linux (enough to maintain some companies with it) but that doesn't mean I can do kernel development. I would fix the alarm issue myself, but qtopia is kinda chinese code to me. And for gui development: I personally am a console freak, but when you want your phone to connect to your car, I don't see myself typing half an hour on the console of my phone first to get things going, so I would like a basic gui (but no experience there whatsoever). I expect bug reports to be equally important than the fixes, and my bugs are just questions I'm looking answers for, nothing more. And I already did a fair amount of wiki search, testing, etc ... I'm very sorry not to be a developer though ... Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: distro nightmares ... can fdom help?
Well, you chose the hard way. The easy one was buying a Nokia or even an iPhone. But you wanted a free phone and this is what you get. I think you find the hard way much harder that you thought. So do I, but I can stand with it. I use the phone daily, and I also have had to deal with distro nightmare, with echo problems, gps problems, SD card problems, volume and usage problems,... But the software evolves quite quickly, and the community is enthusiastic and helps a lot. I definitely wouldn't buy a Freerunner for, say, my sister. At least, today. But seeing how it is evolving and growing I hope that, with my help (bug reports, ideas, explanations,...) and those of the community, someday I could. Don't desperate. PS- The vast majority of your question have been already answered on the lists and on the wiki. I know the distributions should include the corrections, but I think you have to be patient for it. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: distro nightmares ... can fdom help?
Well a lot of information here I hope you or some one else report/reported to the tracking list. I will try to anser to the question can FDOM help? El jue, 11-09-2008 a las 15:44 +0200, Franky Van Liedekerke escribió: > Hi all, > > (to be fare: I compare with my 4 years old sony ericsson P900 phone, > and that one wins without problems for now) > (Warning: no ranting please, I'm just summing up all current bugs I > encounter and hope to get some pointers for fixes) > > For the moment I seem to be unable to find a distro where the basics > work without issues (and I flashed/upgraded/installed already a number > of times): > > - booting time: 2/3 minutes for asu. I can accept this for a beta > functioning device, but I hope this gets better in the future. Yes, I > know the wiki page for this ... luckely I don't reboot py phone too > often No same as 2008.8-updates > - receive calls: calls arrive double on qtopia distro (not asu, no no > sim card issue here), so for each call I end up having a missed call > entry as well. Very annoying. > - speaker: qtopia emits a very loud tone when on speaker > - echo: the asu distro doesn't have the echo fix yet I don't know what asu version did you tried but I have no detected echo problems on the 2008.8-updates, so FDOM has no echo > - choose a ringtone: ok, I can replace the wav file, but come on, no > app available at all for asu? No but If anyone develop one I will include it on FDOM as soon as aviable > - alarm: I use my cell phone for wake-up calls, but ASU isn't reliable > to give me the alarm. The phone unsuspends on time, but the alarm > doesn't sound, or an undetermined amount of minutes too late. This > seems to be the only phone in the world with this problem... I have readed (not tested yet) than the last 2008.8-updates has solve this problem > - prevent the copying of sim-card contacts to your phone (qtopia and > asu). Ok, I can remove them from the sim, or change the sqlite db on > te phone, but this is a basic setting on any phone. > - remove all contacts from the phone (qtopia and asu). Again I can > just clean up the sqlite db file here, but a simple sql script > executed by a gui would be nice. I was able to delete the contacts and messages directly from the apps on the phone without the sim card, and no need to access the sqlite db. > - mplayer: plays mp3 just fine, but qtopia or asu media players are > unable to play back one mp3 fine without hickups or distortion > (distortion can be fixed by editing the mp3 and decreasing the volume > by 20dB). Is this gstreamer bogging down the phone or just bad mp3 > decoding? I don't know, but I was thinking about do a basic frontend to mplayer like the omview to replace the media player, a file filebrowser and a basic control trough mouse gestures in the touch screen, but no find time yet to get my hands dirty on this > - wifi: why on earth isn't wifi taking the nameservers given by dhcp? > Is it the resolvconf issue that needs fixing here? Even my old archos > 430 did that just fine from the beginning. Now I needed the usb0 > connection working just to be able to get the wifi working, since no > terminal app is installed by default on the phone. I did use the > resolvconf wiki page to help me out here, but no dice for encrypted > networks. Mofi maybe? Both a terminal and Mofi are included on FDOM, but is courios, I have to not to conect to usb before I want the wifi to make it work :) > - speed: asu reaction time is just too slow. Qtopia is reasonable > here. I have no feel any relevance diference here (I't true I have not tested the last qtopia version, so no much criteria here) FSDOM will have the same reaction as 2008.8-updates > - bluetooth: no app on asu, and the qtopia-x11 bluetooth app doesn't > do anything. Remoko is tested an will be included in the next version of FSDOM it works through bluethooth, so don't loos you hope yet :) > > I haven't even tried image viewing yet, or gps ... I'ts a pitty freerunnes has a great resolution on image, and on sunny days gps works pretty well > I would have thought to be able to iron out bugs and such, but I was > expecting basic working functionality. For now I have my freerunner > lying on my desk at home, doing nothing at all ... Poor freerunner, surelly a lot of clean-soul good geeks but with no resources will be happy to take care of this freerunner, make it complile, or test new apps , or only taking a walk to help complete OSM,or...(add here a trillion of things people are doing/want to do if the had a neo) > > Does the fdom version of ASU addresses some of the "plain" asu issues? > Or any help solving some of these? I *really* want to show off my > freerunner ... Fat and Dirty Openmoko is nothing more than a 2008.8-update with apps installed and some fixes maybe it can fit you needs or not only you can anwer that question, try it and if you are happy/unhappy please let me know, I will be glad if you can send me and exhaustive bug/improvements li
Re: distro nightmares ... can fdom help?
Franky Van Liedekerke wrote: > Hi all, > > (to be fare: I compare with my 4 years old sony ericsson P900 phone, and > that one wins without problems for now) > (Warning: no ranting please, I'm just summing up all current bugs I > encounter and hope to get some pointers for fixes) > > For the moment I seem to be unable to find a distro where the basics work > without issues (and I flashed/upgraded/installed already a number of times): > > - booting time: 2/3 minutes for asu. I can accept this for a beta > functioning device, but I hope this gets better in the future. Yes, I know > the wiki page for this ... luckely I don't reboot py phone too often > - receive calls: calls arrive double on qtopia distro (not asu, no no sim > card issue here), so for each call I end up having a missed call entry as > well. Very annoying. > - speaker: qtopia emits a very loud tone when on speaker > - echo: the asu distro doesn't have the echo fix yet > - choose a ringtone: ok, I can replace the wav file, but come on, no app > available at all for asu? > - alarm: I use my cell phone for wake-up calls, but ASU isn't reliable to > give me the alarm. The phone unsuspends on time, but the alarm doesn't > sound, or an undetermined amount of minutes too late. This seems to be the > only phone in the world with this problem... > - prevent the copying of sim-card contacts to your phone (qtopia and asu). > Ok, I can remove them from the sim, or change the sqlite db on te phone, but > this is a basic setting on any phone. > - remove all contacts from the phone (qtopia and asu). Again I can just > clean up the sqlite db file here, but a simple sql script executed by a gui > would be nice. > - mplayer: plays mp3 just fine, but qtopia or asu media players are unable > to play back one mp3 fine without hickups or distortion (distortion can be > fixed by editing the mp3 and decreasing the volume by 20dB). Is this > gstreamer bogging down the phone or just bad mp3 decoding? > - wifi: why on earth isn't wifi taking the nameservers given by dhcp? Is it > the resolvconf issue that needs fixing here? Even my old archos 430 did that > just fine from the beginning. Now I needed the usb0 connection working just > to be able to get the wifi working, since no terminal app is installed by > default on the phone. I did use the resolvconf wiki page to help me out > here, but no dice for encrypted networks. Mofi maybe? > - speed: asu reaction time is just too slow. Qtopia is reasonable here. > - bluetooth: no app on asu, and the qtopia-x11 bluetooth app doesn't do > anything. > > I haven't even tried image viewing yet, or gps ... I would have thought to > be able to iron out bugs and such, but I was expecting basic working > functionality. For now I have my freerunner lying on my desk at home, doing > nothing at all ... > > Does the fdom version of ASU addresses some of the "plain" asu issues? Or > any help solving some of these? I *really* want to show off my freerunner > ... > > Franky > You know, in the time you spent griping about these well known issues, you could have started writing a GUI to change your ringtone. Worse, people who are smarter than you or me could have spent the time they'll spend reading your message fixing issues instead. You say that "This seems to be the only phone in the world with this problem", but it's also the only phone in the world where you can help fix these problems. You're dealing with an early version of Open Source software, live with it, or help fix it. We all want to see pretty GUIs and the other issues solved, but whining is not constructive. If you want to find fixes for these problems, try searching the lists. many of them have been discussed. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
distro nightmares ... can fdom help?
Hi all, (to be fare: I compare with my 4 years old sony ericsson P900 phone, and that one wins without problems for now) (Warning: no ranting please, I'm just summing up all current bugs I encounter and hope to get some pointers for fixes) For the moment I seem to be unable to find a distro where the basics work without issues (and I flashed/upgraded/installed already a number of times): - booting time: 2/3 minutes for asu. I can accept this for a beta functioning device, but I hope this gets better in the future. Yes, I know the wiki page for this ... luckely I don't reboot py phone too often - receive calls: calls arrive double on qtopia distro (not asu, no no sim card issue here), so for each call I end up having a missed call entry as well. Very annoying. - speaker: qtopia emits a very loud tone when on speaker - echo: the asu distro doesn't have the echo fix yet - choose a ringtone: ok, I can replace the wav file, but come on, no app available at all for asu? - alarm: I use my cell phone for wake-up calls, but ASU isn't reliable to give me the alarm. The phone unsuspends on time, but the alarm doesn't sound, or an undetermined amount of minutes too late. This seems to be the only phone in the world with this problem... - prevent the copying of sim-card contacts to your phone (qtopia and asu). Ok, I can remove them from the sim, or change the sqlite db on te phone, but this is a basic setting on any phone. - remove all contacts from the phone (qtopia and asu). Again I can just clean up the sqlite db file here, but a simple sql script executed by a gui would be nice. - mplayer: plays mp3 just fine, but qtopia or asu media players are unable to play back one mp3 fine without hickups or distortion (distortion can be fixed by editing the mp3 and decreasing the volume by 20dB). Is this gstreamer bogging down the phone or just bad mp3 decoding? - wifi: why on earth isn't wifi taking the nameservers given by dhcp? Is it the resolvconf issue that needs fixing here? Even my old archos 430 did that just fine from the beginning. Now I needed the usb0 connection working just to be able to get the wifi working, since no terminal app is installed by default on the phone. I did use the resolvconf wiki page to help me out here, but no dice for encrypted networks. Mofi maybe? - speed: asu reaction time is just too slow. Qtopia is reasonable here. - bluetooth: no app on asu, and the qtopia-x11 bluetooth app doesn't do anything. I haven't even tried image viewing yet, or gps ... I would have thought to be able to iron out bugs and such, but I was expecting basic working functionality. For now I have my freerunner lying on my desk at home, doing nothing at all ... Does the fdom version of ASU addresses some of the "plain" asu issues? Or any help solving some of these? I *really* want to show off my freerunner ... Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
