Re: fatfingershell V0.2
c_c wrote: Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Would be possible keeping the same system but allowing an usage in 480x640 mode? OT - but - what hardware are you talking about? ;-) Sorry I used a wrong term... With system I didn't meant another hardware, just the same software used in a different way, but always in the FR, of course :P ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: fatfingershell V0.2
-[ Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 04:37:15PM -0300, Rafael Ignacio Zurita ] there is a new version of fatfingershell (0.2). Trying it on Hackable1, I got : No se pudo iniciar el modo grafico No video mode large enough for 640x480 Apparently it rely on SDL being able to open a 640x480 fullscreen window. Can't it work in portrait mode ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: fatfingershell V0.2
Hello Marco, --- On Tue, 10/27/09, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) m...@3v1n0.net wrote: Il giorno mar, 27/10/2009 alle 16.37 -0300, Rafael Ignacio Zurita ha scritto: Hello people, there is a new version of fatfingershell (0.2). It is a virtual terminal for Openmoko mobile phones, with a fullscreen keyboard, and sound/screen/vibrator feedback. Nice work! Thanks!, Suggestions and feedback are always welcome. Would be possible keeping the same system but allowing an usage in 480x640 mode? You mean a smaller keyboard? (width 480?), and the same for the terminal?. I am not sure if I can (using the same font) to put 80x24 (columnsxlines), which is the original idea for the shell. Let me know if I am understanding well your idea :) Rafa ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: fatfingershell V0.2
Hello, --- On Tue, 10/27/09, Łukasz Pankowski lukp...@o2.pl wrote: Rafael Ignacio Zurita rizur...@yahoo.com writes: Hello people, there is a new version of fatfingershell (0.2). (snip) Moreover it is comfortable for fat fingers. Thanks for that, really usable shell. The keyboard lacks only small feature, I tried to run $ mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.otimed and made a typo, and I see right and left cursors (preferable on keys in FN mode) are a must. I can do well with C-p and C-n to browse shell history (as you hit them once or twice), but multiple C-b or C-f to move inside the line to edit it is a pain and unusable. Well, I use bash, and set -o vi, so I can use ESC, and then h j k l for left, down, up, right ;-) But, yes, arrows keys are in my TODO list. Thanks for the feedback. Rafa ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: fatfingershell V0.2
Hello, --- On Wed, 10/28/09, ri...@happyleptic.org ri...@happyleptic.org wrote: -[ Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 04:37:15PM -0300, Rafael Ignacio Zurita ] there is a new version of fatfingershell (0.2). Trying it on Hackable1, I got : No se pudo iniciar el modo grafico No video mode large enough for 640x480 Apparently it rely on SDL being able to open a 640x480 fullscreen window. Can't it work in portrait mode ? Question: the problem looks like you don't have xrandr in Hackable1 right?. If you have, can you rotate the display to landscape? The fatfingershell.sh tries to rotate the display with xrandr first, then runs the ffs binary. Portrait: no yet, and I am not sure if I want a portrait mode. I want a 80x24 shell, and comfortable keyboard. I don't know how to do that in portrait mode yet. Regards, Rafa ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: fatfingershell V0.2
Hi Portrait: no yet, and I am not sure if I want a portrait mode. I want a 80x24 shell, and comfortable keyboard. I don't know how to do that in portrait mode yet. http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Pike/FFShell that may be radical, but I'm not sure if I find a qwerty layout to be the most comfi too. in the default keyboard in fatfingershell the keys are high rather than wide. I estimate my fingertips are about 160 wide (and 80 high). I found I could use ffshell flawlessly when holding it vertical :-) $2c, *-pike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: fatfingershell V0.2
Can't it work in portrait mode ? Question: the problem looks like you don't have xrandr in Hackable1 right?. If you have, can you rotate the display to landscape? Well, we had it for sure, but in the daily build I'm using right now it kills X :) Portrait: no yet, and I am not sure if I want a portrait mode. I want a 80x24 shell, and comfortable keyboard. I don't know how to do that in portrait mode yet. Yeah. The problem is : I would like my keyboard in landscape mode like a real keyboard but I like my terminal in portrait mode like a real sheet of paper. Is it possible ?? :-) Also, I'm a little contraried by the memory footprint of the program, and by the fact that I would like this keyboard for other apps... Anybody already tried to build a OSD keyboard with lib-aosd or lib-xosd ? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
fatfingershell V0.2
Hello people, there is a new version of fatfingershell (0.2). It is a virtual terminal for Openmoko mobile phones, with a fullscreen keyboard, and sound/screen/vibrator feedback. You can set the colors and the transparency, set new keyboard layouts (hard yet) and replace the sounds. The fullscreen keyboard aims to be complete and useful for sh/bash, vi and common console apps, like top, mocp, mplayer, mc, gnu tools, etc. Moreover it is comfortable for fat fingers. The new stuff : - better performance - scroll - vibration feedback - better sources - ipkg package Installing ffs : opkg install http://ffs.projects.openmoko.org/fatfingershell_0.2_armv4t.ipk Web page and documentation : http://ffs.projects.openmoko.org/ (check the TODO, we need useful scripts yet :-) ) Suggestions and feedback are always welcome. Enjoy, Rafa. -- Rafael Ignacio Zurita ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: fatfingershell V0.2
Rafael Ignacio Zurita rizur...@yahoo.com writes: Hello people, there is a new version of fatfingershell (0.2). It is a virtual terminal for Openmoko mobile phones, with a fullscreen keyboard, and sound/screen/vibrator feedback. You can set the colors and the transparency, set new keyboard layouts (hard yet) and replace the sounds. The fullscreen keyboard aims to be complete and useful for sh/bash, vi and common console apps, like top, mocp, mplayer, mc, gnu tools, etc. Moreover it is comfortable for fat fingers. Thanks for that, really usable shell. The keyboard lacks only small feature, I tried to run $ mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.otimed and made a typo, and I see right and left cursors (preferable on keys in FN mode) are a must. I can do well with C-p and C-n to browse shell history (as you hit them once or twice), but multiple C-b or C-f to move inside the line to edit it is a pain and unusable. The new stuff : - better performance - scroll - vibration feedback - better sources - ipkg package Installing ffs : opkg install http://ffs.projects.openmoko.org/fatfingershell_0.2_armv4t.ipk Web page and documentation : http://ffs.projects.openmoko.org/ (check the TODO, we need useful scripts yet :-) ) Suggestions and feedback are always welcome. Enjoy, Rafa. -- Rafael Ignacio Zurita ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: fatfingershell V0.2
Il giorno mar, 27/10/2009 alle 16.37 -0300, Rafael Ignacio Zurita ha scritto: Hello people, there is a new version of fatfingershell (0.2). It is a virtual terminal for Openmoko mobile phones, with a fullscreen keyboard, and sound/screen/vibrator feedback. Nice work! Suggestions and feedback are always welcome. Would be possible keeping the same system but allowing an usage in 480x640 mode? Thanks... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: fatfingershell V0.2
Hi, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) wrote: Would be possible keeping the same system but allowing an usage in 480x640 mode? OT - but - what hardware are you talking about? ;-) -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/fatfingershell-V0-2-tp3901258p3903512.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: fatfingershell ?
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 9:01 AM, pike pike-openm...@kw.nl wrote: I'm not in favor of one char commands - i like the fact that the terminal would literally type out call if you type c[tab]. This way, getting familiar with the available commands is really easy. Ofcourse, it implies there should be no other commands with a c on your path. [...] - a 3rd keyboard for special chars (1 is keys, 2 is numbers, 3 is *) - I'm short on screen estate already :-) I would like to see a third keyboard that is programmable. That way, I could have a Call key that types the word call . Also, I second the request for arrow keys, though I admit the vi bindings do have advantages and I could probably learn to live with them. I realize the primary fat finger shell keyboard doesn't have room for four more keys, but I think we can get away with just one more. I'd be happy with a single, grand-unified-cursor button that, when held, moves the cursor in the direction I tilt the phone (relative to initial position). Editing or perusing a file would be like playing mokomaze in ASCII. Alternately, when not pressed, the icon and action of the single cursor button could change depending upon the absolute tilt (left, right, up down, page up, page down, home, end) and it would otherwise work as a normal button. --Ben ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: fatfingershell ?
Hi - a 3rd keyboard for special chars (1 is keys, 2 is numbers, 3 is *) - I'm short on screen estate already :-) I would like to see a third keyboard that is programmable. That way, I could have a Call key that types the word call . I was dreaming about the same thing .. if you stretch that concept, instead of a keyboard, you would have more of a push-button interface to control a terminal. and you can switch back to a normal keyboard to just start typing old style. I doesnt seem to hard too. i just peeked around, but in the code where char *keyreleased() is defined, the key sent to the terminal is a asci code taken from an array that is read from the config file on startup. if that could be a string instead of a asci char .. the rest would up to the designers of a layout. excited, *-pike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: fatfingershell ?
Hello Pike, and sorry for the late answer. On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:03:50AM +0200, pike wrote: Hi I just *love* the fatfingershell http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV4p414_VJM http://fz.hobby-site.org/om/fatfingershell/ .. and i'm really curious if there's been any update since april 1 ? Yes and no. I have almost ready a new version, with these improvements: - optional vibrate for pressed keys - a little faster - easy scrolling - better sources and Makefile - perhaps disappear/darken keyboard when no keys are pressed. - opkg package I will upload this version soon. If I think real hard, there's a number of things that come to mind to make it fully functional. Some of them I'm puzzling on, others are beyond me, but perhaps people on this list have suggestions ? Thanks a lot for the suggestions, I will try to add my TODO list all of them, to check out which are useful and which are not. If you would like to help me with some of them, please.. I would love to do ffs better. The scripts for easy call/sms/gps usgin dbus would be great. Somethinkg like c pike to do pike a call would be cool, etc ;) Here's a list I wrote: *to handle incoming signals from the dbus: - handlers to send dbus signals to the running bash shell. it could be as simple as a wall message - incoming call from xxx. I *imagine* thats just a matter of changing yaml files, but that would break your 'default' phone functionality forever ? You'd want to temporarily disable some default handlers while fatfingershell is running. I wouldnt know how to do that. Perhaps Siglaunchd can help ? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Siglaunchd - Non-keyboard handlers to reply to such signals. E.g. when the phone rings, you may be in the middle of typing some text, or maybe not using the keyboard at all (f.e. looking at tangogps). So you can't type yes to answer the phone; instead, pressing a button should answer or cancel the call (and perhaps switch to bash to start some interactive app, if you werent already doing something else there ...) *for the fatfingershell c app itself: - a separate middle layer, so the transparency of the middle layer doesnt affect the transparency of the font I'm afraid this depends on SDL_Terminal .. not sure if it can do that at all. Maybe a little hard with SDL_Terminal. Because we can set colors perhaps choosing better ones would help. - a slightly bigger font size too hard now, but I am checking how to do that. - a way to set the terminal location/rect to match other keyboard layouts - a way to use a vertical layout instead. that makes more sense to me, but also, SHR-U crashes when resuming from deep sleep in landscape mode, making ffshell unusable for now :-( Aha!, so your problem is landscape ffs with SHR-U :) I think that is not a ffs problem. SHR-U should reume ok if it is in landscape, so we would need check why SHR-U crashes in that state. After, we can talk if vertical layout is easy to do or not ;) - arrows on the keyboard layout to use your history. I use bash -o vi if I remember well, so you can press ESC, and use K / J for history :) - removing the -d option, focusing on 'selecting' a layout instead. there might be more then 2 options; and it could be as simple as copying the right files to the right place. Good. I will add that in my current TODO. - additional layouts. i'm playing with those :-) Let me know if you need help or if I can use those as well :) - a 3rd keyboard for special chars (1 is keys, 2 is numbers, 3 is *) - I'm short on screen estate already :-) I think that I added all the good keys. Which special chars you need? *for the package - a suite of bash scripts to do things, like send sms's and make calls. these are around, and i'm playing with them. That is essential I guess, to do ffs the only tool that we need. - smart bash tab completion for these bash scripts, to do them fast. sending an sms to john could be as quick as typing s[tab] @j[tab]. no gui is ever going to beat that :-) Maybe the scripts for those bash scripts could have short short names, like s for sms, c for call, a for answer, etc. If the script names are longer, then put them unique names since the second letter and put them in $PATH, so we would only need to press two chars+TAB. - a nice opk package :-) On its way.. THANKS a lot for all above Pike, I will try to do my best. Regards. -- Rafael Ignacio Zurita Buenos Aires, Argentina ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: fatfingershell ?
Hi I just *love* the fatfingershell http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV4p414_VJM http://fz.hobby-site.org/om/fatfingershell/ .. and i'm really curious if there's been any update since april 1 ? Yes and no. I have almost ready a new version That's very cool. I have been playing with the idea on and off. The suite of bash scripts to do calls etc is actually ofcourse indepent from the actual terminal used - in my eyes, fatfingershell is rather a type of terminal than a shell. it's bash in a fancy terminal. So, I've been playing on an adapted/finetuned bash - where for example autocompletion also takes your call history and addressbook into account :-) c[tab] pi[tab] would call pike. It would work in vala-terminal just as well. But still, just playing. I'm not in favor of one char commands - i like the fact that the terminal would literally type out call if you type c[tab]. This way, getting familiar with the available commands is really easy. Ofcourse, it implies there should be no other commands with a c on your path. Anyway - looking forward to the improvements ! thanks, *-pike PS. Some ideas here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Pike/FFShell ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
fatfingershell ?
Hi I just *love* the fatfingershell http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV4p414_VJM http://fz.hobby-site.org/om/fatfingershell/ .. and i'm really curious if there's been any update since april 1 ? If I think real hard, there's a number of things that come to mind to make it fully functional. Some of them I'm puzzling on, others are beyond me, but perhaps people on this list have suggestions ? Here's a list I wrote: *to handle incoming signals from the dbus: - handlers to send dbus signals to the running bash shell. it could be as simple as a wall message - incoming call from xxx. I *imagine* thats just a matter of changing yaml files, but that would break your 'default' phone functionality forever ? You'd want to temporarily disable some default handlers while fatfingershell is running. I wouldnt know how to do that. Perhaps Siglaunchd can help ? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Siglaunchd - Non-keyboard handlers to reply to such signals. E.g. when the phone rings, you may be in the middle of typing some text, or maybe not using the keyboard at all (f.e. looking at tangogps). So you can't type yes to answer the phone; instead, pressing a button should answer or cancel the call (and perhaps switch to bash to start some interactive app, if you werent already doing something else there ...) *for the fatfingershell c app itself: - a separate middle layer, so the transparency of the middle layer doesnt affect the transparency of the font I'm afraid this depends on SDL_Terminal .. not sure if it can do that at all. - a slightly bigger font size - a way to set the terminal location/rect to match other keyboard layouts - a way to use a vertical layout instead. that makes more sense to me, but also, SHR-U crashes when resuming from deep sleep in landscape mode, making ffshell unusable for now :-( - arrows on the keyboard layout to use your history. - removing the -d option, focusing on 'selecting' a layout instead. there might be more then 2 options; and it could be as simple as copying the right files to the right place. - additional layouts. i'm playing with those :-) - a 3rd keyboard for special chars (1 is keys, 2 is numbers, 3 is *) - I'm short on screen estate already :-) *for the package - a suite of bash scripts to do things, like send sms's and make calls. these are around, and i'm playing with them. - smart bash tab completion for these bash scripts, to do them fast. sending an sms to john could be as quick as typing s[tab] @j[tab]. no gui is ever going to beat that :-) - a nice opk package :-) just playing, *-pike ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FatFingerShell vt with fullscreen keyboard
Helge Hafting wrote: Hm. But the glamo supports _some_ format. Will X11 be able to take advantage of that, if the app is smart and request exactly the subsets of blending operations/dataformats that the glamo can do? That would be a question for the X11 gurus. I have such a script for sms, but not for calls. I can send a message like this: # sms 123456789 Short message text Great ! So all we need is a dialer, a contacts database (just use something like $HOME/contacts/$name with maybe a ^key\s+value\s$ structure inside ?), and an SMS reader. April 1 is not over yet ;-) - Werner ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FatFingerShell vt with fullscreen keyboard
Hi, nice idea. Is it coupled only with a shell or could I use it for other applications? And do activation of it with the accelerometers. Also the idea with the overlay would be great. Still see what the application behint shows while entering commands. So for any applications, if the focus is on a control that requires the keyboard, shaking the neo would activate the overlay keyboard at the actual control... Then each application could benefit from it. Thanks and I'll try it if I have time. Lothar Am 27.03.2009 um 08:03 schrieb Rafael Ignacio Zurita: Hello people, it is a new virtual terminal for Openmoko, with a complete fullscreen keyboard and sound. You can set the colors and the transparency, set new keyboard layouts (hard yet) and replace the sounds. This terminal should be useful for bash/vi and other common console tools. The fullscreen keyboard should be comfortable for fat fingers. Check the videos to know the idea : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qR4FETGzkA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f67HKAkx61w How to test: - download the package: http://fz.hobby-site.org/om/fatfingershell/fatfingershell_0.1.tar.gz - install libsdl, libsdl_mixer, libsdl_ttf packages - add export TERM=vt100 into ~/.bashrc - you need installed bash tar xvzf fatfingershell_0.1.tar.gz cd fatfingershell/ ./fatfingershell.sh If you have problems check fatfingershell.sh script to realize out how to run this version manually. The package is an alpha version to check how well the ideas work. There are bugs, and lot of problems surely. The package and the source code have a README file with known problems, TODO list and other instructions. Other files: README: http://fz.hobby-site.org/om/fatfingershell/README.txt source code: http://fz.hobby-site.org/om/fatfingershell/fatfingershell-src_0.1.tar.gz Feedback, suggestions and ideas are welcome. Saludos!, Rafa -- Rafael Ignacio Zurita Buenos Aires, Argentina ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FatFingerShell vt with fullscreen keyboard
Werner Almesberger wrote:
Rafael Ignacio Zurita wrote:
it is a new virtual terminal for Openmoko, with a complete fullscreen
keyboard and sound.
Wow, I love this idea ! Alas, it looks a little slow. (Haven't tried to
run it yet, just looked at the videos.)
Here's an idea how you could perhaps make it much faster:
A long time ago, I discussed with Carsten about what the Glamo could
do for us. Predictably, this quickly turned into some rather extensive
bashing of this ill-fated chip. On item that came up is the lack of
proper support for a feature X11 calls compositing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compositing_window_manager
The Glamo hardware has the ability to blend images, but, if I recall
our discussion correctly, X11 expects the blending operation to support
certain formats which the Glamo doesn't. So the conclusion was that it
wouldn't be possible to accelerate full X11 compositing with the Glamo.
Hm. But the glamo supports _some_ format. Will X11 be able to take
advantage of that, if the app is smart and request exactly the subsets
of blending operations/dataformats that the glamo can do?
[...]
Oh, and where are the applications ? :-) When Openmoko first announced
the Linux-based GTA01, I read a lot of jokes about the kind of user
interface a Linux phone would have. Usually they were of the kind
making a phone call is easy and intuitive:
# phone dial -d /dev/ttySAC0 --number=+123456789 --voice
But I wonder if something that would make a call with simply
# call foobar
wouldn't be about as convenient to use as a GUI. Hang up with ^C,
background and do something else with ^Z, etc. :-)
I have such a script for sms, but not for calls. I can send a message
like this:
# sms 123456789 Short message text
The script works with SHR, and probably FSO:
#!/bin/sh
mdbus -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device
org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS.SendMessage u\$1\ $2 {}
That is supposed to be 2 lines, but thunderbird tends to wrap.
Helge Hafting
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Re: FatFingerShell vt with fullscreen keyboard
Hello Aapo and Marco, --- On Fri, 3/27/09, Aapo Rantalainen aapo.rantalai...@gmail.com wrote: How about vibration feedback? Because I do not want use sound-feedback in bus/train. And maybe somebody else can't use visual-feedback for some reason. So there could be three different (selectable) feedback. --- On Sat, 3/28/09, Marco Trevisan (Treviño) m...@3v1n0.net wrote: Cool... What about adding the support for using the vibrator as feedback system instead of the sound? Somethimes I've to use the terminal in places where I can't emit noises... :P Thanks for your ideas. I am trying to add that feature, so it will be ready in the next days I think, in a new version with other features/improvements more (like scroll, 80x24 or 90x30 sizes, better performance, etc). I would like to have a useful full featured vt to do everything easy and fast from a shell, so if you have more ideas or fixes please suggest/advise me, I am all ears :-). Thanks, Rafael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
FatFingerShell vt with fullscreen keyboard
Hello people, it is a new virtual terminal for Openmoko, with a complete fullscreen keyboard and sound. You can set the colors and the transparency, set new keyboard layouts (hard yet) and replace the sounds. This terminal should be useful for bash/vi and other common console tools. The fullscreen keyboard should be comfortable for fat fingers. Check the videos to know the idea : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qR4FETGzkA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f67HKAkx61w How to test: - download the package: http://fz.hobby-site.org/om/fatfingershell/fatfingershell_0.1.tar.gz - install libsdl, libsdl_mixer, libsdl_ttf packages - add export TERM=vt100 into ~/.bashrc - you need installed bash tar xvzf fatfingershell_0.1.tar.gz cd fatfingershell/ ./fatfingershell.sh If you have problems check fatfingershell.sh script to realize out how to run this version manually. The package is an alpha version to check how well the ideas work. There are bugs, and lot of problems surely. The package and the source code have a README file with known problems, TODO list and other instructions. Other files: README: http://fz.hobby-site.org/om/fatfingershell/README.txt source code: http://fz.hobby-site.org/om/fatfingershell/fatfingershell-src_0.1.tar.gz Feedback, suggestions and ideas are welcome. Saludos!, Rafa -- Rafael Ignacio Zurita Buenos Aires, Argentina ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FatFingerShell vt with fullscreen keyboard
Hi, On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 04:03:29AM -0300, Rafael Ignacio Zurita wrote: Hello people, it is a new virtual terminal for Openmoko, with a complete fullscreen keyboard and sound. How to test: - download the package: http://fz.hobby-site.org/om/fatfingershell/fatfingershell_0.1.tar.gz - install libsdl, libsdl_mixer, libsdl_ttf packages - add export TERM=vt100 into ~/.bashrc - you need installed bash tar xvzf fatfingershell_0.1.tar.gz cd fatfingershell/ ./fatfingershell.sh If you have problems check fatfingershell.sh script to realize out how to run this version manually. I like shell :-) After following the instructions, I tried: debian-gta02:/usr/local/src/fatfingershell# ./fatfingershell.sh snd_pcm_oss45352 0 snd_mixer_oss 15080 1 snd_pcm_oss snd_pcm75084 3 snd_soc_s3c24xx,snd_soc_core,snd_pcm_oss snd49988 9 snd_soc_neo1973_gta02_wm8753,snd_soc_wm8753,snd_soc_core,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer dark1!=3 ./fatfingershell: invalid option -- 'e' 0-0-73-124-w-w-1 75-1-125-123-q-Q-2 129-0-180-123-w-W-1 [...] 422-381-476-479-.--4 478-381-561-478-b-b-3 563-381-638-479-f-f-4 No se pudo iniciar el modo grafico No video mode large enough for 640x480 debian-gta02:/usr/local/src/fatfingershell# I am running Debian with Xglamo and xfce4. Hmm, xrandr doesn't want to change the display, exits with 0 though. It used to work - will get back to you. Gyelt ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FatFingerShell vt with fullscreen keyboard
Rafael Ignacio Zurita wrote: it is a new virtual terminal for Openmoko, with a complete fullscreen keyboard and sound. Wow, I love this idea ! Alas, it looks a little slow. (Haven't tried to run it yet, just looked at the videos.) Here's an idea how you could perhaps make it much faster: A long time ago, I discussed with Carsten about what the Glamo could do for us. Predictably, this quickly turned into some rather extensive bashing of this ill-fated chip. On item that came up is the lack of proper support for a feature X11 calls compositing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compositing_window_manager The Glamo hardware has the ability to blend images, but, if I recall our discussion correctly, X11 expects the blending operation to support certain formats which the Glamo doesn't. So the conclusion was that it wouldn't be possible to accelerate full X11 compositing with the Glamo. However, perhaps what the Glamo can do is enough for your full-screen overlay. So you would put the X11 framebuffer in one (off-screen) memory area A, draw the keyboard in an area B, and whenever X11 or keyboard manager have updated their screen content, the Glamo would be told to merge screens A and B into the real frame buffer. This may also make it easy to do things like dynamically changing the respective brightness of the keyboard overlay and the background with the actual content. (*) Now, having said all this, I have to admit that making the Glamo do anything is rather hard, and I've heard that X11 isn't trivial either. But several people have started to work on even more complicated things (DRM, GL, ...), so maybe there's someone who could help making an X server with such functionality. (*) For this, you would have to have a means to turn on the keyboard. This could be done by tapping an area where there's no key or where there's a key that doesn't do anything unpleasant (Shift or so), by just absorbing the first tap if the keyboard is dimmed, or perhaps by distinguishing a light touch of the screen from a tap. Oh, and where are the applications ? :-) When Openmoko first announced the Linux-based GTA01, I read a lot of jokes about the kind of user interface a Linux phone would have. Usually they were of the kind making a phone call is easy and intuitive: # phone dial -d /dev/ttySAC0 --number=+123456789 --voice But I wonder if something that would make a call with simply # call foobar wouldn't be about as convenient to use as a GUI. Hang up with ^C, background and do something else with ^Z, etc. :-) - Werner ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FatFingerShell vt with fullscreen keyboard
Hey, this is great! Best FR terminal I've seen. I do have a question though... In the output, it says ./fatfingershell: can't access font 8x13, trying fixed just before creating its GUI. That doesn't seem to be a problem, but I don't like rogue error messages, so where can I get that font? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FatFingerShell vt with fullscreen keyboard
Rafa, This looks great, I'm looking forward to trying it out. Cheers ezuall -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/FatFingerShell-vt-with-fullscreen-keyboard-tp2542865p2544371.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FatFingerShell vt with fullscreen keyboard
Hello, --- On Fri, 3/27/09, The Digital Pioneer digitalpion...@gmail.com wrote: Hey, this is great! Best FR terminal I've seen. I do have a question though... In the output, it says ./fatfingershell: can't access font 8x13, trying fixed just before creating its GUI. That doesn't seem to be a problem, but I don't like rogue error messages, so where can I get that font? that is okey, I will remove that message soon. So you don't need that font to use FatFingerShell ;-) (that message is from xvt, but xvt does not need to show anything, so no worries). Thanks for your feedback, and one more question: In which Openmoko distribution are you testing? Regards -- Rafael Ignacio Zurita Buenos Aires, Argentina ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FatFingerShell vt with fullscreen keyboard
The Digital Pioneer ha scritto: Hey, this is great! Best FR terminal I've seen. I do have a question though... In the output, it says ./fatfingershell: can't access font 8x13, trying fixed just before creating its GUI. That doesn't seem to be a problem, but I don't like rogue error messages, so where can I get that font? Hi, I get the previous error and then this message, after GUI creation, and the program quits: ./fatfingershell: select failed Using Om2008.9+FDOM, any suggestion? Thank you very much for this great idea! :) Bye ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FatFingerShell vt with fullscreen keyboard
Hello, --- On Fri, 3/27/09, DJDAS dj...@djdas.net wrote: Hi, I get the previous error and then this message, after GUI creation, and the program quits: ./fatfingershell: select failed Using Om2008.9+FDOM, any suggestion? No idea, could you trace the fatfingershell binary with strace -f? If so, send me the output so I can check a bit more.. Thanks -- Rafael Ignacio Zurita Buenos Aires, Argentina ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Thanks for your feedback, and one more question: In which Openmoko distribution are you testing? I use SHR-Unstable. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FatFingerShell vt with fullscreen keyboard
Rafael Ignacio Zurita ha scritto:
Hello,
--- On Fri, 3/27/09, DJDAS dj...@djdas.net wrote:
Hi,
I get the previous error and then this message, after GUI
creation, and
the program quits:
./fatfingershell: select failed
Using Om2008.9+FDOM, any suggestion?
No idea, could you trace the fatfingershell binary with strace -f?
If so, send me the output so I can check a bit more..
Thanks
Hi,
these are the last lines printed by strace (didn't know I had it
installed :P):
gettimeofday({1238166214, 933399}, NULL) = 0
ioctl(255, SNDCTL_TMR_TIMEBASE or TCGETS, 0xbed86a9c) = -1 EIO
(Input/output error)
rt_sigaction(SIGINT, {0x4bc18, [], 0x400 /* SA_??? */}, {0x4bc18,
[], 0x400 /* SA_??? */}, 8) = 0
rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, [CHLD TSTP TTIN TTOU], [], 8) = 0
ioctl(255, TIOCSPGRP, [3249]) = -1 ENOTTY (Inappropriate ioctl
for device)
rt_sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, [], NULL, 8) = 0
setpgid(0, 3249)= -1 EPERM (Operation not permitted)
rt_sigaction(SIGHUP, {SIG_DFL}, {0x4b9dc, [HUP INT ILL TRAP ABRT BUS FPE
USR1 SEGV USR2 PIPE ALRM TERM XCPU XFSZ VTALRM SYS], 0x400 /* SA_???
*/}, 8) = 0
kill(3249, SIGHUP) = 0
--- SIGHUP (Hangup) @ 0 (0) ---
Process 3249 detached
If you would like to have the complete trace, I'll send you privately as
I think list people don't want to download/read kilobytes of stuff :P
If it could help you, as tracing slows the execution, I saw the image
showing the keyboard and the transparent panel, but it seems to stop and
quit before getting the bash prompt.
Thank you in advance, bye.
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Re: FatFingerShell vt with fullscreen keyboard
Hello Werner, On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 10:34:31AM -0300, Werner Almesberger wrote: Rafael Ignacio Zurita wrote: it is a new virtual terminal for Openmoko, with a complete fullscreen keyboard and sound. Wow, I love this idea ! Alas, it looks a little slow. (Haven't tried to run it yet, just looked at the videos.) the tar.gz package is faster than videos ;-) because I recorded those before a few good changes in the code for perfomance. Anyway, Here's an idea how you could perhaps make it much faster: A long time ago, I discussed with Carsten about what the Glamo could do for us. Predictably, this quickly turned into some rather extensive bashing of this ill-fated chip. On item that came up is the lack of proper support for a feature X11 calls compositing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compositing_window_manager The Glamo hardware has the ability to blend images, but, if I recall our discussion correctly, X11 expects the blending operation to support certain formats which the Glamo doesn't. So the conclusion was that it wouldn't be possible to accelerate full X11 compositing with the Glamo. However, perhaps what the Glamo can do is enough for your full-screen overlay. So you would put the X11 framebuffer in one (off-screen) memory area A, draw the keyboard in an area B, and whenever X11 or keyboard manager have updated their screen content, the Glamo would be told to merge screens A and B into the real frame buffer. I would definitely like to use this idea. But, I don't know anything about glamo and if somebody is working in such features. This may also make it easy to do things like dynamically changing the respective brightness of the keyboard overlay and the background with the actual content. (*) Ha!, good item for the TODO list. I will add this idea soon in the current implementation :-) Now, having said all this, I have to admit that making the Glamo do anything is rather hard, and I've heard that X11 isn't trivial either. But several people have started to work on even more complicated things (DRM, GL, ...), so maybe there's someone who could help making an X server with such functionality. Yes, I will stay tuned in this list. Maybe I would try to help if that were possible (but I have read that it is either pretty hard or not very useful at the end). (*) For this, you would have to have a means to turn on the keyboard. This could be done by tapping an area where there's no key or where there's a key that doesn't do anything unpleasant (Shift or so), by just absorbing the first tap if the keyboard is dimmed, or perhaps by distinguishing a light touch of the screen from a tap. Oh, and where are the applications ? :-) When Openmoko first announced the Linux-based GTA01, I read a lot of jokes about the kind of user interface a Linux phone would have. Usually they were of the kind making a phone call is easy and intuitive: # phone dial -d /dev/ttySAC0 --number=+123456789 --voice But I wonder if something that would make a call with simply # call foobar wouldn't be about as convenient to use as a GUI. Hang up with ^C, background and do something else with ^Z, etc. :-) Well, the FatFingerShell has all the useful keys already there (ESC, Tab for auto-completion, CTRL+whatever.. etc). So yes, I need easy-to-use scripts to do everything from shell, like a real geek does :-) -- Rafael Ignacio Zurita Buenos Aires, Argentina ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: FatFingerShell vt with fullscreen keyboard
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 04:10:20PM +0100, DJDAS wrote:
Rafael Ignacio Zurita ha scritto:
Hello,
--- On Fri, 3/27/09, DJDAS dj...@djdas.net wrote:
Hi,
I get the previous error and then this message, after GUI
creation, and
the program quits:
./fatfingershell: select failed
Using Om2008.9+FDOM, any suggestion?
No idea, could you trace the fatfingershell binary with strace -f?
If so, send me the output so I can check a bit more..
Hi,
these are the last lines printed by strace (didn't know I had it
installed :P):
gettimeofday({1238166214, 933399}, NULL) = 0
ioctl(255, SNDCTL_TMR_TIMEBASE or TCGETS, 0xbed86a9c) = -1 EIO
(Input/output error)
rt_sigaction(SIGINT, {0x4bc18, [], 0x400 /* SA_??? */}, {0x4bc18,
[], 0x400 /* SA_??? */}, 8) = 0
rt_sigprocmask(SIG_BLOCK, [CHLD TSTP TTIN TTOU], [], 8) = 0
ioctl(255, TIOCSPGRP, [3249]) = -1 ENOTTY (Inappropriate ioctl
for device)
rt_sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, [], NULL, 8) = 0
setpgid(0, 3249)= -1 EPERM (Operation not permitted)
rt_sigaction(SIGHUP, {SIG_DFL}, {0x4b9dc, [HUP INT ILL TRAP ABRT BUS FPE
USR1 SEGV USR2 PIPE ALRM TERM XCPU XFSZ VTALRM SYS], 0x400 /* SA_???
*/}, 8) = 0
kill(3249, SIGHUP) = 0
--- SIGHUP (Hangup) @ 0 (0) ---
Process 3249 detached
I don't see the problem here.
If you would like to have the complete trace, I'll send you privately as
I think list people don't want to download/read kilobytes of stuff :P
Yes, of course, send me privately the complete output please.
If it could help you, as tracing slows the execution, I saw the image
showing the keyboard and the transparent panel, but it seems to stop and
quit before getting the bash prompt.
It looks like a problem of stdio for xvt (FatFingerShell has xvt code inside),
but we will see..
--
Rafael Ignacio Zurita
Buenos Aires, Argentina
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