Re: freetheiphone.org
On 7/20/07, Shakthi Kannan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Adam Krikstone wrote: There's nothing stopping a GSM provider from blocking all unbranded IMEI's, including your neo. Different operators have different implementation of the GSM standard, which they call it their IP-crap-R. Now, if we want Operator Acceptance Testing with Neo, we have to sign NDA, SLA with the operators? In which case, we cannot implement the same on the Neo as the source code is open, and operators will not like that? Please correct me if I am wrong. I think acceptance test is required when a phone is locked with a plan. In situations where you can use unlocked phones without requiring permissions from GSM operators, no such test should be required. Probably, acceptance test is applicable to GSM chipset and not the phone as such. Btw any documents/pointers on so called operator acceptance test ? regards VK ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freetheiphone.org
Operator phone requirements are huge and ornate, and, essentially, conformance testing is done by invitation only, only for phones that the operator is planning on selling directly. The requirements for one major European carrier are about 1200 pages in length... The requirements are only available under an NDA. vivek khurana wrote: On 7/20/07, Shakthi Kannan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Adam Krikstone wrote: There's nothing stopping a GSM provider from blocking all unbranded IMEI's, including your neo. Different operators have different implementation of the GSM standard, which they call it their IP-crap-R. Now, if we want Operator Acceptance Testing with Neo, we have to sign NDA, SLA with the operators? In which case, we cannot implement the same on the Neo as the source code is open, and operators will not like that? Please correct me if I am wrong. I think acceptance test is required when a phone is locked with a plan. In situations where you can use unlocked phones without requiring permissions from GSM operators, no such test should be required. Probably, acceptance test is applicable to GSM chipset and not the phone as such. Btw any documents/pointers on so called operator acceptance test ? regards VK ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freetheiphone.org
Adam, Thanks for this important link. I decided to blog on the topic, in case you're interested: http://weblogs.java.net/blog/terrencebarr/archive/2007/07/open_technologi.html -- Terrence Adam Krikstone wrote: I'm with the idiots for a wireless carterfone decision. I don't think we were better off with with renting landline phones from ATT. There's nothing stopping a GSM provider from blocking all unbranded IMEI's, including your neo. The idiots other website: http://www.savetheinternet.com/ Mark wrote: First of all I really don't think its the legislatures business to prevent a company from making their device however they want. The consumers are dumb enough to buy it, thats their problem. Secondly I fail to see what the 700MHz sale has to do with that. It will have not affect on the iPhone because it doesn't use the 700Mhz frequency and if they are forced to meet these proposed requirements cell phones will never use said frequency, as their are several other perfectly good ones to use. So these people are either just trying to get support from some idiots that believe what they say, or are themselves idiots. And If this offends you then see the above paragraph and guess which category I put you in. On 7/13/07, Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just launched today, I figure we should be aware. Maybe we could turn this into an opportunity to increase awareness of the neo: http://freetheiphone.org/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community begin:vcard fn:Terrence Barr n:Barr;Terrence org:Sun Microsystems adr:;;Zettachring 10 A;Stuttgart;;70587;Germany email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Evangelist, Java Mobile Embedded Community tel;work:+49 711 720 98185 url:http://www.mobileandembedded.com version:2.1 end:vcard ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freetheiphone.org
Hi, Adam Krikstone wrote: There's nothing stopping a GSM provider from blocking all unbranded IMEI's, including your neo. Different operators have different implementation of the GSM standard, which they call it their IP-crap-R. Now, if we want Operator Acceptance Testing with Neo, we have to sign NDA, SLA with the operators? In which case, we cannot implement the same on the Neo as the source code is open, and operators will not like that? Please correct me if I am wrong. Thanks, SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freetheiphone.org
There's nothing stopping a GSM provider from blocking all unbranded IMEI's, including your neo. There's nothing stopping a toll highway operator from blocking unbranded cars either. But do they? Does any GSM provider block unbranded IMEIs? I know in Canada we have one GSM carrier (under two brands, Rogers + Fido), and I have used several generic phones on this network without trouble. It's the CDMA carriers that are used to blocking phones, because there you have to take the phone into their store. With GSM you just move the SIM over. Now, if we want Operator Acceptance Testing with Neo, we have to sign NDA, SLA with the operators? You were planning to *ask* if you can use YOUR phone on YOUR plan? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freetheiphone.org
Hi, On 7/20/07, Ian Darwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You were planning to *ask* if you can use YOUR phone on YOUR plan? Yes. SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freetheiphone.org
As far as I know, no GSM provider blocks IMEI's. I was responding to a person who asked whether it was possible. I do see troubling signs ahead coming from Telecommunication providers as consolidation continues. Their argument for net neutrality can easily be applied to wireless under the guise of maintaining network quality. All they have to do is spread FUD about linux and network hackers compromising GSM networks. While it won't happen anytime soon, I wouldn't put anything past their ability and desires for greater customer control. Ian Darwin wrote: There's nothing stopping a GSM provider from blocking all unbranded IMEI's, including your neo. There's nothing stopping a toll highway operator from blocking unbranded cars either. But do they? Does any GSM provider block unbranded IMEIs? I know in Canada we have one GSM carrier (under two brands, Rogers + Fido), and I have used several generic phones on this network without trouble. It's the CDMA carriers that are used to blocking phones, because there you have to take the phone into their store. With GSM you just move the SIM over. Now, if we want Operator Acceptance Testing with Neo, we have to sign NDA, SLA with the operators? You were planning to *ask* if you can use YOUR phone on YOUR plan? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freetheiphone.org
You mean to get Openmoko sw running on the iCrap^WPhone? This is pervert, but nice ;) -w- Mike wrote: Just launched today, I figure we should be aware. Maybe we could turn this into an opportunity to increase awareness of the neo: http://freetheiphone.org/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freetheiphone.org
First of all I really don't think its the legislatures business to prevent a company from making their device however they want. The consumers are dumb enough to buy it, thats their problem. Secondly I fail to see what the 700MHz sale has to do with that. It will have not affect on the iPhone because it doesn't use the 700Mhz frequency and if they are forced to meet these proposed requirements cell phones will never use said frequency, as their are several other perfectly good ones to use. So these people are either just trying to get support from some idiots that believe what they say, or are themselves idiots. And If this offends you then see the above paragraph and guess which category I put you in. On 7/13/07, Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just launched today, I figure we should be aware. Maybe we could turn this into an opportunity to increase awareness of the neo: http://freetheiphone.org/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freetheiphone.org
Um, er, it's not my web site, and I haven't said I support their effort. I said I figure we should be aware... of this effort they're doing... m Mark wrote: First of all I really don't think its the legislatures business to prevent a company from making their device however they want. The consumers are dumb enough to buy it, thats their problem. Secondly I fail to see what the 700MHz sale has to do with that. It will have not affect on the iPhone because it doesn't use the 700Mhz frequency and if they are forced to meet these proposed requirements cell phones will never use said frequency, as their are several other perfectly good ones to use. So these people are either just trying to get support from some idiots that believe what they say, or are themselves idiots. And If this offends you then see the above paragraph and guess which category I put you in. On 7/13/07, Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just launched today, I figure we should be aware. Maybe we could turn this into an opportunity to increase awareness of the neo: http://freetheiphone.org/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freetheiphone.org
I'm with the idiots for a wireless carterfone decision. I don't think we were better off with with renting landline phones from ATT. There's nothing stopping a GSM provider from blocking all unbranded IMEI's, including your neo. The idiots other website: http://www.savetheinternet.com/ Mark wrote: First of all I really don't think its the legislatures business to prevent a company from making their device however they want. The consumers are dumb enough to buy it, thats their problem. Secondly I fail to see what the 700MHz sale has to do with that. It will have not affect on the iPhone because it doesn't use the 700Mhz frequency and if they are forced to meet these proposed requirements cell phones will never use said frequency, as their are several other perfectly good ones to use. So these people are either just trying to get support from some idiots that believe what they say, or are themselves idiots. And If this offends you then see the above paragraph and guess which category I put you in. On 7/13/07, Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just launched today, I figure we should be aware. Maybe we could turn this into an opportunity to increase awareness of the neo: http://freetheiphone.org/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freetheiphone.org
It's the same as a lost or stolen GSM phone. You can have your provider block the IMEI from registering. You can still use that phone on another provider but not with the provider that blocked it. I would not put the idea of blocking foreign IMEI aside as a carrier could this under the guise of ensuring network integrity. -adam Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Adam Krikstone writes: I'm with the idiots for a wireless carterfone decision. I don't think we were better off with with renting landline phones from ATT. There's nothing stopping a GSM provider from blocking all unbranded IMEI's, including your neo. I'll agree that not permitting locked phones would be a good thing -- but I was under the impression it wasn't technically possible to lock out a phone. Unless they used a soldered SIM chip or something. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freetheiphone.org
Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Adam Krikstone writes: I'm with the idiots for a wireless carterfone decision. I don't think we were better off with with renting landline phones from ATT. There's nothing stopping a GSM provider from blocking all unbranded IMEI's, including your neo. I'll agree that not permitting locked phones would be a good thing -- but I was under the impression it wasn't technically possible to lock out a phone. Unless they used a soldered SIM chip or something. '3' in the UK have supplied some handsets with glued-in SIMs. (to be fair, these are 3G handsets and are sold as pay-as-you-go handsets at a high loss.) The IMEI is a unique phone ID. (and indeed, changing it without the makers authorisation or for the purposes of crime is a crime in the UK) There is nothing stopping network operators simply refusing to allow phones with unknown IMEIs onto the network. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freetheiphone.org
Adam Krikstone writes: It's the same as a lost or stolen GSM phone. You can have your provider block the IMEI from registering. You can still use that phone on another provider but not with the provider that blocked it. I would not put the idea of blocking foreign IMEI aside as a carrier could this under the guise of ensuring network integrity. Ah, of course. Don't know what I was thinking. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: freetheiphone.org
My apologies to Mike, if I came off harsh on you, I was only referring to the site creators. It just really bugs me when people use irrelevant things to push their political agenda. If anyone has a good reason how 'freeing' a frequency that a device does not use will affect a device at all, by all means let me know ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
freetheiphone.org
Just launched today, I figure we should be aware. Maybe we could turn this into an opportunity to increase awareness of the neo: http://freetheiphone.org/ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
