Re: given the OpenMoko Challenges...
On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 10:24 +0100, Sven Neuhaus wrote: I totally agree with you . FIC is also an operator in Taiwan . I certainlyunderstand the thinking / restriction of Telecom operators. Regards Ming J. Chien / FIC Wow; I didn't know FIC was also an operator. This makes the OpenMoko initiative even more laudable and bold. It's also great to see the chairman on FIC on this list - it documents the importance of the Neo1973 inside FIC. I'm quite (pleasantly) surprised he's posting on this list. This is very unusual for Taiwanese companies ;-) -Sean ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: given the OpenMoko Challenges...
*** OpenMoko and FIC's Neo1973 are the seeds that will democratize and dramatically accelerate the evolution of mobile computing on this planet. Dear Alan : I totally agree with you . FIC is also an operator in Taiwan . I certainlyunderstand the thinking / restriction of Telecom operators. Regards Ming J. Chien / FIC -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 3:20 PM To: community@lists.openmoko.org Subject: Re: given the OpenMoko Challenges... Kenshin wrote: I think that not having a camera is a serious technologic setback and loses some points to the competition. Of course almost every geek will buy a Neo... but what about the regular user? He will definately consider that fact when choosing a phone and for him that is more important than running Linux. By definition, the Regular User is never a first adopter. OpenMoko and FIC's Neo1973 are the seeds that will democratize and dramatically accelerate the evolution of mobile computing on this planet. No longer will we all patiently wait for the next handset release from the major manufacturers, only to be dissapointed once again by carrier hobbled features, clunky and clueless user interfaces and forced non-integration with the rest of our personal or business compu-spheres. The Regular User will follow shortly after the Cathedral and the Bazaar programmers like you and I scratch our itches and deliver the applications that really solve human problems and end the limitations and annoyances that the establishment Handset and Carrier complex cannot and will not solve because their shareholders are more important than thier customers. As for me, I am excited about the amazing potiential that this first feature set affords. Every time I think about it for even just a few minutes, I come up with a new idea for software for this platform. WiFi and a camera at this point would only make my head explode. Alan McSwain ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: given the OpenMoko Challenges...
Kenshin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ... what are the chances of getting a camera? ^_^ I think one thing we should all bear in mind is that this is the first device, not the last. I imagine things will get better and better with successive models, if the product is compelling enough that it actually sells well. We should worry about the initial software load being sufficiently interesting that there are follow-ons, rather than getting FIC to load so much stuff in that the first product never ships. Perry -- Perry E. Metzger[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
given the OpenMoko Challenges...
... what are the chances of getting a camera? ^_^ Remember when the BT was announced... there were tears of joy arround the world. With a confirmation that the Neo will have a camera, will cause orgasmic sensations :-p I think that not having a camera is a serious technologic setback and loses some points to the competition. Of course almost every geek will buy a Neo... but what about the regular user? He will definately consider that fact when choosing a phone and for him that is more important than running Linux. ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: given the OpenMoko Challenges...
Kenshin wrote: ... what are the chances of getting a camera? ^_^ ... I think that not having a camera is a serious technologic setback and loses some points to the competition. Note that the Neo 1973 is just the first of six planned Neo devices using OpenMoko, according to this Gizmodo article http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/smartphones/first-look-the-antiiphone-openmokos-neo1973-236841.php. I bet some of those will have cameras. -myk ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: given the OpenMoko Challenges...
Kenshin wrote: ... what are the chances of getting a camera? ^_^ You should check out the wiki for the wishlist for future enhancements http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wish_List_-_Hardware Cheers, Tim ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: given the OpenMoko Challenges...
I'm doing this to spare Sean the pain. This is really no different than the Can't you just add WiFi? discussion. This is reality and the laws of physics speaking: please pay attention. ... what are the chances of getting a camera? ^_^ Slimmer that slim to none. If Sean and the FIC folks have any sense at all--and I hasten to add that I think they do--the chances are a little worse than your getting struck by lightning. While winning a single-number bet at the roulette table. Look at it this way: jamming all the stuff that's already on the circuit board into some kind of reasonable configuration, routing leads, hundreds if not thousands of them, on a multilayer PCB, then getting the entire thing pre-fabbed, tested, fabbed, tested again, built for production, tested _again_, and tested some more, all takes time. A bunch of time. And when you just add WiFi or just add a camera, the work isn't _incremental_: you pretty much have to go back to Square One and start all over again. Now, that's if everything, by some utterly unprecedented miracle, goes well the first time. I will bet you any amount of money, at very high odds, that this will not be the case--only because I know from extensive personal experience that it _never has_. Then you've got to add time in to _fix_ things, re-fab, re-test, lather, rinse, repeat. And remember: you can't just add a camera. You've got to add a _button_: more leads, more components. You've got to retool the case to support the lens and the self-portrait mirror you're going to ask for next. You've got to test _that_, too, and that's a test you didn't have to do before. (None of this gets into the issue of cost. Because of the above considerations, even adding a cheap part at a late stage is abominably expensive. At Apple, years ago, we used to estimate that adding a $0.25 part added five buck to the final cost of a Macintosh. This would be worse. A ten dollar camera would, if you just backed all the way up and added it now, effectively double the cost of the unit, most likely, or close enough for government work. If you want to guarantee nobody sees a Neo 1973 for another six or eight months, go and put a camera on it. We'll never survive! Nonsense! You're only saying that because no one ever _has_! --Robin Wright and Cary Elwes as Buttercup and Westley in _The Princess Bride_ ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: given the OpenMoko Challenges...
Kenshin wrote: I think that not having a camera is a serious technologic setback and loses some points to the competition. Of course almost every geek will buy a Neo... but what about the regular user? He will definately consider that fact when choosing a phone and for him that is more important than running Linux. By definition, the Regular User is never a first adopter. OpenMoko and FIC's Neo1973 are the seeds that will democratize and dramatically accelerate the evolution of mobile computing on this planet. No longer will we all patiently wait for the next handset release from the major manufacturers, only to be dissapointed once again by carrier hobbled features, clunky and clueless user interfaces and forced non-integration with the rest of our personal or business compu-spheres. The Regular User will follow shortly after the Cathedral and the Bazaar programmers like you and I scratch our itches and deliver the applications that really solve human problems and end the limitations and annoyances that the establishment Handset and Carrier complex cannot and will not solve because their shareholders are more important than thier customers. As for me, I am excited about the amazing potiential that this first feature set affords. Every time I think about it for even just a few minutes, I come up with a new idea for software for this platform. WiFi and a camera at this point would only make my head explode. Alan McSwain ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
