Re: information efficient text enty using dasher

2007-05-31 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, I'm one of the Dasher developers, and am also interested in hacking on OpenMoko. So, getting Dasher going is fairly likely. This pretty much means that you have to stare at the display all the time when inputting text. Yes, this is the main difference between Dasher and T9.

Re: information efficient text enty using dasher

2007-05-31 Thread Thomas Gstädtner
Thank you for this post chris, nice to know, that dasher was running on a so old and slow device already. I'm see the things like you do: Touchscreen means you always have to stare at the device for making inputs. Like I said - I had a nokia 7710 before and it was nearby impossible to use it

Re: information efficient text enty using dasher

2007-05-31 Thread Ted Gilchrist
There's always the multipress key input method: http://www.robocal.com/prod/robocal/robodicto.php It's low-tech, and works on all phones, since the logic is in the server. I admit it's a bit tedious, but, ... Ted Gilchrist On 5/31/07, Thomas Gstädtner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for

Re: information efficient text enty using dasher

2007-05-31 Thread Andreas Kostyrka
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 And it's completely not relevant, as the Neo needs an input method that works for local apps ;) Andreas Ted Gilchrist wrote: There's always the multipress key input method: http://www.robocal.com/prod/robocal/robodicto.php It's low-tech, and

Re: information efficient text enty using dasher

2007-05-31 Thread Terry Jeske
I gotta say that I just tried the Dasher applet and after just a little bit of practice was humming along. I am very excited that this may (will g) be available on openMoko. On 5/29/07, Chris Ball [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm one of the Dasher developers, and am also interested in

Re: information efficient text enty using dasher

2007-05-30 Thread Thomas Gstädtner
Finger Splash looks very cool and useful. Imho a cool idea. @[EMAIL PROTECTED]: You are right, abcde... keyboards can be used for blind typing. But not on a only-touchscreen-phone. I used a Nokia 7710 for about 1.5 years and typing blind was simply impossible. Theres no feedback at all.

information efficient text enty using dasher

2007-05-30 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
I tried dasher for 2 minutes and I write faster with dasher than on my mobile phone. I also would like the two extra side buttons for dasher but we don't need it. We have the aux button. In pressed mode, it can mean down, and in released mode, it can mean up. I know I will use dasher on my neo

Re: information efficient text enty using dasher

2007-05-30 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
Just one problem. If we only have one button, there is no way to adjust the speed. On 5/30/07, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried dasher for 2 minutes and I write faster with dasher than on my mobile phone. I also would like the two extra side buttons for dasher but we

Re: information efficient text enty using dasher

2007-05-30 Thread Flemming Richter Mikkelsen
Just one more thing On my laptop I have this little joystick button in the middle of the keyboard. If we could get a button like that on the side of the neo phone, dasher would be great. On 5/30/07, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just one problem. If we only have one

Re: information efficient text enty using dasher

2007-05-30 Thread Frank Coenen
What is wrong with just using the stylus? I've tried it with my Wacom tabled, Dasher works great! If your using an on screen keyboard, you'll need the stylus anyway. On 5/30/07, Flemming Richter Mikkelsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just one more thing On my laptop I have this little

Re: information efficient text enty using dasher

2007-05-30 Thread el jefe delito
I just watched the Google Video and I found it to be a very cool item. The one-handed aspect of typing with Dasher is useful but I think that using a finger or stylus would be more accommodating -- tilt control (if we had it) could possibly make the screen unviewable, and in/out with the single

Re: information efficient text enty using dasher

2007-05-30 Thread Ian Darwin
Frank Coenen wrote: What is wrong with just using the stylus? I've tried it with my Wacom tabled, Dasher works great! If your using an on screen keyboard, you'll need the stylus anyway. This is a bit OT but, if you are using the stylus, some people may find it more efficient to use simplified

Re: information efficient text enty using dasher

2007-05-30 Thread Rory McCann
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Flemming Richter Mikkelsen said the following on 30/05/07 14:21: Just one more thing On my laptop I have this little joystick button in the middle of the keyboard. If we could get a button like that on the side of the neo phone, dasher would

Re: information efficient text enty using dasher

2007-05-30 Thread Steven Milburn
shamless_plug Many fingerprint sensors that would fit where the button is have a navigation function. They operate much like the touchstick, or a mini touchpad, when not capturing a fingerprint. They are gaining traction in the tablet and ultra-mobile PC market for doing scrolling and simple

Re: information efficient text enty using dasher

2007-05-30 Thread openmoko
shamless_plug Many fingerprint sensors that would fit where the button is have a navigation function. They operate much like the touchstick, or a mini touchpad, when not capturing a fingerprint. They are gaining traction in the tablet and ultra-mobile PC market for doing scrolling and

information efficient text enty using dasher

2007-05-29 Thread Peter Hoffmann
Hi i just stumbled over a video at the google talks series[0] about information-efficient text entry using dasher[1]. I think this is quite an interesting input method for mobile devices with touch screens or motion sensors. And it is open source and its user interface is based on gtk. An

Re: information efficient text enty using dasher

2007-05-29 Thread Paul Jimenez
On Tuesday, May 29, 2007, Peter Hoffmann writes: Hi i just stumbled over a video at the google talks series[0] about information-efficient text entry using dasher[1]. I think this is quite an interesting input method for mobile devices with touch screens or motion sensors. And it is open source

Re: information efficient text enty using dasher

2007-05-29 Thread Peter Hoffmann
Paul Jimenez schrieb: On Tuesday, May 29, 2007, Peter Hoffmann writes: Hi i just stumbled over a video at the google talks series[0] about information-efficient text entry using dasher[1]. I think this is quite an interesting input method for mobile devices with touch screens or motion

RE: information efficient text enty using dasher

2007-05-29 Thread Crane, Matthew
Dasher is very neat, seems the method would be well suited to a wheel button. I wonder if theres a method of entering text that would be well suited to messaging but still handsfree. Voice recognition is the only thing I could think of. Matt ___

Re: information efficient text enty using dasher

2007-05-29 Thread Peter Hoffmann
Crane, Matthew schrieb: Dasher is very neat, seems the method would be well suited to a wheel button. I wonder if theres a method of entering text that would be well suited to messaging but still handsfree. Voice recognition is the only thing I could think of. The guy controlled dasher with

Re: information efficient text enty using dasher

2007-05-29 Thread Thomas Gstädtner
Imho it would be fantastic to have 2 navkeys at the right side of the phone to use dasher in the 1D-mode. So it could be possible to write texts using the right thumb what means typing with only one hand would be possible. A touchpad like seen on devices like the Cowon iAudio 6 or the Creative

Re: information efficient text enty using dasher

2007-05-29 Thread Jonathon Suggs
I did the same thing. I had played with it in the past using the browser applet and it really didn't do it much justice. I put it on my pda and (after some training) and you were inputting common words, then it wasn't that bad, but still not a super intuitive method for input, but may be a

Re: information efficient text enty using dasher

2007-05-29 Thread Werner Almesberger
Jonathon Suggs wrote: My favorite input method is still the finger splash concept (needs some tweaking to the concept though) http://www.micropp.se/openmoko/ I like that one. One issue would be the font size, though - the secondary letters are quite hard to read on the Neo, and the

Re: information efficient text enty using dasher

2007-05-29 Thread openmoko
Jonathon Suggs wrote: My favorite input method is still the finger splash concept (needs some tweaking to the concept though) http://www.micropp.se/openmoko/ I like that one. One issue would be the font size, though - the secondary letters are quite hard to read on the Neo, and the

Re: information efficient text enty using dasher

2007-05-29 Thread Ben Burdette
Dasher is only really information efficient considering the input only. The output stream needs to be quite dense. This pretty much means that you have to stare at the display all the time when inputting text. Sure - in theory, dasher may approach arithmetic coding in terms of information

Re: information efficient text enty using dasher

2007-05-29 Thread Werner Almesberger
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dasher is only really information efficient considering the input only. The output stream needs to be quite dense. I was commenting on finger splash. I agree that Dasher seems extremely stressful, more like a fast-paced video game. - Werner --