Re: keyboard (was Re: 2008.8 raster + zecke, great useability, and remaining flaws)
> in many ways it's good to know i won't be the meat in the sandwich between > community and company going forward. :) > Don't worry Raster you're not the meat in the sandwich, i can see most of the things you do helps us, but somehow the design department doesn't like the good changes you make, and i can see that if the design department keeps making foolish decisions they'll very soon become that meat in the sandwich and be crushed until there's no meat in the sandwich, then there will not be foolish decisions anymore and we can have a poll on the decisions, that's the open way of doing it. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: keyboard (was Re: 2008.8 raster + zecke, great useability, and remaining flaws)
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:41:48 +0200 Chaosspawn23 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > Harald Welte wrote: > > I hope not being recognized as a troll now (my history with the project > > helps). I believe it is almost foolish not to have that keyboard button by > > default. This phone is still something primarily to be used by hardcore > > geeks, and please show me the linux geek who doesn't use the keyboard here > > or there with some application that doesn't hook into the > > automatically-show-keyboard magic? > > > > I wish for this kind of question there would be an easy-to-be-configured > > polling mechanism that could be put up at some openmoko.org website. I > > think there are many of those issues where all kinds of people inside > > openmoko inc. could benefit from a very quick-to-read opinion of their user > > base without reading through tons of threads of discussions that get > > time-consuming and boring over time. > > > > Just my 2 cents, > > +1 > > Even if the core applications can (and should!) implement the > show-me-the-keyboard mechanism, I don't think it would be trivial > to implement it for other (ported) apps like, say, Battle for Wesnoth > or Numpty Physics (yes, I do realize those are all games ;) ). > Just my two cents, too :) i agree with harald 100%. i have asked for us to have a polling mechanism to gauge popularity of decisions with the users (i.e - people actually paying cold hard cash for a freerunner as really OM as a distro isn't too useful outside that device profile... :)). nothing has ever been done - i got some positives, some negatives. mind you - the day i was told to remove the manual button i made all the points you just did - i even cited "battle for wesnoth" as an example (not to mention most SDL games, that qt didn't have auto-kbd support in its x11 port etc. etc.) of things that will not work and break. om's position is "well people can just port it - they have to write new stuff for om anyway". i know - this creates a barrier of entry. makes the bar that much higher to even get something to start working. but this topic has been done to death in previous threads. in many ways it's good to know i won't be the meat in the sandwich between community and company going forward. :) -- Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: keyboard (was Re: 2008.8 raster + zecke, great useability, and remaining flaws)
Harald Welte wrote: > I hope not being recognized as a troll now (my history with the project > helps). > I believe it is almost foolish not to have that keyboard button by default. > This phone is still something primarily to be used by hardcore geeks, and > please show me the linux geek who doesn't use the keyboard here or there with > some application that doesn't hook into the automatically-show-keyboard magic? > > I wish for this kind of question there would be an easy-to-be-configured > polling mechanism that could be put up at some openmoko.org website. I think > there are many of those issues where all kinds of people inside openmoko inc. > could benefit from a very quick-to-read opinion of their user base without > reading through tons of threads of discussions that get time-consuming and > boring over time. > > Just my 2 cents, +1 Even if the core applications can (and should!) implement the show-me-the-keyboard mechanism, I don't think it would be trivial to implement it for other (ported) apps like, say, Battle for Wesnoth or Numpty Physics (yes, I do realize those are all games ;) ). Just my two cents, too :) Regards, Konstantin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: keyboard (was Re: 2008.8 raster + zecke, great useability, and remaining flaws)
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 7:38 PM, Harald Welte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 06:21:19PM +0200, Daniel Selinger wrote: > >> 3. 2008.8 keyboard >> This is no issue which hits me because i use rasters image. But i, and >> i think a lot of other people would love to see the keyboard of rasters >> image on 2008.8. Either as default or changeable via illume-config. I >> also would love to have the qerty button visible by default. > > I hope not being recognized as a troll now (my history with the project > helps). > I believe it is almost foolish not to have that keyboard button by default. > This phone is still something primarily to be used by hardcore geeks, and > please show me the linux geek who doesn't use the keyboard here or there with > some application that doesn't hook into the automatically-show-keyboard magic? > > I wish for this kind of question there would be an easy-to-be-configured > polling mechanism that could be put up at some openmoko.org website. I think > there are many of those issues where all kinds of people inside openmoko inc. > could benefit from a very quick-to-read opinion of their user base without > reading through tons of threads of discussions that get time-consuming and > boring over time. > > Just my 2 cents, > -- > - Harald Welte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://openmoko.org/ > > Software for the world's first truly open Free Software mobile phone > > ___ > Openmoko community mailing list > community@lists.openmoko.org > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > I agree ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
keyboard (was Re: 2008.8 raster + zecke, great useability, and remaining flaws)
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 06:21:19PM +0200, Daniel Selinger wrote: > 3. 2008.8 keyboard > This is no issue which hits me because i use rasters image. But i, and > i think a lot of other people would love to see the keyboard of rasters > image on 2008.8. Either as default or changeable via illume-config. I > also would love to have the qerty button visible by default. I hope not being recognized as a troll now (my history with the project helps). I believe it is almost foolish not to have that keyboard button by default. This phone is still something primarily to be used by hardcore geeks, and please show me the linux geek who doesn't use the keyboard here or there with some application that doesn't hook into the automatically-show-keyboard magic? I wish for this kind of question there would be an easy-to-be-configured polling mechanism that could be put up at some openmoko.org website. I think there are many of those issues where all kinds of people inside openmoko inc. could benefit from a very quick-to-read opinion of their user base without reading through tons of threads of discussions that get time-consuming and boring over time. Just my 2 cents, -- - Harald Welte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://openmoko.org/ Software for the world's first truly open Free Software mobile phone ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
