Re: receiving SMS messages

2008-08-11 Thread Tim Erwin
 If the phone is in standby, and I receive a text message, the phone
 wakes up but does not receive a text message. The person sending the
 message does, however, receive a delivery report. This occurs in both
 images as well.

This is now fixed in the latest qtopia image 080808 (haven't tried the
2008.8 openmoko image yet). This is looking very promising as a day to
day phone!

Cheers,

Tim

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Re: receiving SMS messages

2008-08-09 Thread Thomas B.
On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 09:36:08PM +0100, Dan Weatherill wrote:
 I recently received my freerunner, and am enjoying it so far!
 
 I have mainly been using the qtopia image from qtopia.net, but have 
 been regularly updating my kernel from buildhost.openmoko.org.
 
 On doing some testing, I find the following: I can receive SMS messages 
 perfectly whilst the phone is on, in qtopia. Not always so well in the GTK 
 stack.
 
 If the phone is in standby, and I receive a text message, the phone 
 wakes up but does not receive a text message. The person sending the 
 message does, however, receive a delivery report. This occurs in both 
 images as well.
 
 If I then subsequently receive a message after the others, whilst the 
 phone is out of standby, I receive all the messages together. Hence, no 
 messages are lost in the ether, but it seems that messages received 
 whilst the phone is on standby are temporarily mislaid.
 If there is any information I can provide to help you sort this please just 
 let me know. This is one of very few things preventing me using the neo 
 as a day to day phone with qtopia.

I observed this too, and filed a bug:
https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/1792

Regards,
Thomas


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Re: receiving SMS messages

2008-08-08 Thread Benedikt Schindler
Bruce Adams schrieb:
 I've had the impression, on other phones, that the GSM network could 
 successfully deliver a message into the SIM card inside my phone, but if 
 the phone software was too distracted to hear the initial notification 
 from the SIM card about the new message, the phone wouldn't notice the 
 message until another message came along or something else happened 
 (such as rebooting the phone) that caused the phone to look for messages 
 on the SIM.
   

that's just the way it is on my Sony Ericsson p1 and O2.
(But there they say it is a problem with O2-Germany. But no one knows 
why no other handy has this problem ;) )
So i'm used to it, to have a buggy handy.  and thisone wouldn't get 
new Software-Fixes every day.

 I am seeing forward to replace it with my Om2008.8/Freerunner .

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Re: receiving SMS messages

2008-08-07 Thread Gianluigi
Alle 04:04, giovedì 7 agosto 2008, Robert William Hutton ha scritto:
 5. In the meantime the network has accepted that the SMS can't be sent,
 and puts it into some kind of wait queue.

Is not possible, after the GSM is fully up, say to the network I'm ready,  is 
something waiting for me?
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Re: receiving SMS messages

2008-08-07 Thread Dan Weatherill
On Thursday 07 August 2008 03:04:02 Robert William Hutton wrote:
 Dan Weatherill wrote:
  If the phone is in standby, and I receive a text message, the phone
  wakes up but does not receive a text message. The person sending the
  message does, however, receive a delivery report. This occurs in both
  images as well.
 
  If I then subsequently receive a message after the others, whilst the
  phone is out of standby, I receive all the messages together. Hence, no
  messages are lost in the ether, but it seems that messages received
  whilst the phone is on standby are temporarily mislaid.

 This could be a possible explanation of what's going on:

 1. The network attempts to send an SMS to your phone.
 2. The GSM chip receives notification from the network that there's an SMS.
 3. The GSM chip says to the network: wait, I'm temporarily unable to
 receive (as the phone's asleep) and wakes up the system.
 4. The system comes up and waits.
 5. In the meantime the network has accepted that the SMS can't be sent,
 and puts it into some kind of wait queue.

 It's up to the network what kind of exponential backoff algorithm they
 use to decide when to resend.  If the phone goes back to sleep before
 the network attempts a resend, then the same events will occur at some
 later time and the SMS will end up going back into the queue.  Again and
 again.

 On the Optus network, and from my experience with my old phone whose
 inbox filled up all the time, the time between retries can become long
 quite fast.  When a subsequent SMS is sent, this always flushes the
 retry queue as well, which is why you receive several messages at a time.

 Cheers,

 Rob.

Hi Rob (and everyone else),
I did originally think this was what was happening, but It's definitely not the 
whole picture. For one thing, the sender receives a delivery receipt even 
though the text has not arrived. Ok, I hear you say, it could still be the 
case that the network sends a delivery receipt when the text has not arrived 
at the actual handset, but just the queue. To test this, I intend to switch 
my freerunner on, have a message sent to it whilst it is in standby, and then 
plug it in and leave it on (not standby) for about six hours. I'll let you 
know how I get on.
Dan

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Re: receiving SMS messages

2008-08-07 Thread Bruce Adams
I've had the impression, on other phones, that the GSM network could 
successfully deliver a message into the SIM card inside my phone, but if 
the phone software was too distracted to hear the initial notification 
from the SIM card about the new message, the phone wouldn't notice the 
message until another message came along or something else happened 
(such as rebooting the phone) that caused the phone to look for messages 
on the SIM.

Is there a way to actively interrogate the SIM card for a list of 
messages (instead of waiting around for a new message notification)?

- Bruce

P.S. I have to admit I have zero depth of knowledge about SMS, GSM or 
SIM cards.

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Re: receiving SMS messages

2008-08-07 Thread W.Kenworthy
This is what seems to happen for me on 2007.2 on the Oz vodafone
network.  Sent an sms (didnt ask for rx) to the phone after it had been
in dimlock for a couple of hours.  No indication of message  - phone
didnt wakeup.  On actually waking phone, by pressing pwr button some 10
minutes after sending the sms, the message received ring sounded as the
display became live.

As sms reception did wakeup the phone at some point, a bug has been
introduced somewhere that needs tracking down.

BillK


On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 15:09 -0400, Bruce Adams wrote:
 I've had the impression, on other phones, that the GSM network could 
 successfully deliver a message into the SIM card inside my phone, but if 
 the phone software was too distracted to hear the initial notification 
 from the SIM card about the new message, the phone wouldn't notice the 
 message until another message came along or something else happened 
 (such as rebooting the phone) that caused the phone to look for messages 
 on the SIM.
 
 Is there a way to actively interrogate the SIM card for a list of 
 messages (instead of waiting around for a new message notification)?
 
 - Bruce
 
 P.S. I have to admit I have zero depth of knowledge about SMS, GSM or 
 SIM cards.
 
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Re: receiving SMS messages

2008-08-06 Thread Gianluigi
Alle 00:17, mercoledì 6 agosto 2008, Tim Coggins ha scritto:
 I can confirm this; it's been happening for the last week or so.

 Tim

This is also for me. I use gtk and massages (not all) can be recived after 
hours or days.
My TLC is Vodafone (italy)

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Re: receiving SMS messages

2008-08-06 Thread Robert William Hutton
Dan Weatherill wrote:
 If the phone is in standby, and I receive a text message, the phone 
 wakes up but does not receive a text message. The person sending the 
 message does, however, receive a delivery report. This occurs in both 
 images as well.
 
 If I then subsequently receive a message after the others, whilst the 
 phone is out of standby, I receive all the messages together. Hence, no 
 messages are lost in the ether, but it seems that messages received 
 whilst the phone is on standby are temporarily mislaid.

This could be a possible explanation of what's going on:

1. The network attempts to send an SMS to your phone.
2. The GSM chip receives notification from the network that there's an SMS.
3. The GSM chip says to the network: wait, I'm temporarily unable to 
receive (as the phone's asleep) and wakes up the system.
4. The system comes up and waits.
5. In the meantime the network has accepted that the SMS can't be sent, 
and puts it into some kind of wait queue.

It's up to the network what kind of exponential backoff algorithm they 
use to decide when to resend.  If the phone goes back to sleep before 
the network attempts a resend, then the same events will occur at some 
later time and the SMS will end up going back into the queue.  Again and 
again.

On the Optus network, and from my experience with my old phone whose 
inbox filled up all the time, the time between retries can become long 
quite fast.  When a subsequent SMS is sent, this always flushes the 
retry queue as well, which is why you receive several messages at a time.

Cheers,

Rob.

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receiving SMS messages

2008-08-05 Thread Dan Weatherill
I recently received my freerunner, and am enjoying it so far!

I have mainly been using the qtopia image from qtopia.net, but have 
been regularly updating my kernel from buildhost.openmoko.org.

On doing some testing, I find the following: I can receive SMS messages 
perfectly whilst the phone is on, in qtopia. Not always so well in the GTK 
stack.

If the phone is in standby, and I receive a text message, the phone 
wakes up but does not receive a text message. The person sending the 
message does, however, receive a delivery report. This occurs in both 
images as well.

If I then subsequently receive a message after the others, whilst the 
phone is out of standby, I receive all the messages together. Hence, no 
messages are lost in the ether, but it seems that messages received 
whilst the phone is on standby are temporarily mislaid.
If there is any information I can provide to help you sort this please just 
let me know. This is one of very few things preventing me using the neo 
as a day to day phone with qtopia.

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Re: receiving SMS messages

2008-08-05 Thread Tim Coggins
I can confirm this; it's been happening for the last week or so.

Tim

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 9:36 PM, Dan Weatherill
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I recently received my freerunner, and am enjoying it so far!

 I have mainly been using the qtopia image from qtopia.net, but have
 been regularly updating my kernel from buildhost.openmoko.org.

 On doing some testing, I find the following: I can receive SMS messages
 perfectly whilst the phone is on, in qtopia. Not always so well in the GTK
 stack.

 If the phone is in standby, and I receive a text message, the phone
 wakes up but does not receive a text message. The person sending the
 message does, however, receive a delivery report. This occurs in both
 images as well.

 If I then subsequently receive a message after the others, whilst the
 phone is out of standby, I receive all the messages together. Hence, no
 messages are lost in the ether, but it seems that messages received
 whilst the phone is on standby are temporarily mislaid.
 If there is any information I can provide to help you sort this please just
 let me know. This is one of very few things preventing me using the neo
 as a day to day phone with qtopia.

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Re: receiving SMS messages

2008-08-05 Thread Vince M. Clark
Are you able to send OK with the Qtopia image? I can receive but not send. 
Could be an issue with my provider which is T-Mobile. Haven't tested receiving 
in suspend vs. awake mode but will try it. 

- Original Message - 
From: Tim Coggins [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org 
Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2008 4:17:09 PM (GMT-0700) America/Denver 
Subject: Re: receiving SMS messages 

I can confirm this; it's been happening for the last week or so. 

Tim 

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 9:36 PM, Dan Weatherill 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 I recently received my freerunner, and am enjoying it so far! 
 
 I have mainly been using the qtopia image from qtopia.net, but have 
 been regularly updating my kernel from buildhost.openmoko.org. 
 
 On doing some testing, I find the following: I can receive SMS messages 
 perfectly whilst the phone is on, in qtopia. Not always so well in the GTK 
 stack. 
 
 If the phone is in standby, and I receive a text message, the phone 
 wakes up but does not receive a text message. The person sending the 
 message does, however, receive a delivery report. This occurs in both 
 images as well. 
 
 If I then subsequently receive a message after the others, whilst the 
 phone is out of standby, I receive all the messages together. Hence, no 
 messages are lost in the ether, but it seems that messages received 
 whilst the phone is on standby are temporarily mislaid. 
 If there is any information I can provide to help you sort this please just 
 let me know. This is one of very few things preventing me using the neo 
 as a day to day phone with qtopia. 
 
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Re: receiving SMS messages

2008-08-05 Thread Tim Erwin
 Are you able to send OK with the Qtopia image? I can receive but not send.
 Could be an issue with my provider which is T-Mobile. Haven't tested
 receiving in suspend vs. awake mode but will try it.


I can send txt messages with the Qtopia image with Virgin mobile
(Optus network) in Australia, but have the same problem that when the
phone is in suspend mode the messages do not appear.

Regards,

Tim

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