Re: some hardware suggestions

2008-08-29 Thread Michele Renda
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Dale Maggee wrote:

 - Matter Transporter / replicator (makes coffee machine redundant!)
 - Warp Drive
 - Holographic emitters
 - Laser cannons
 - Genuine People Personality Module


They are a MUST: Every Star Phone must have one :)
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Re: some hardware suggestions

2008-08-29 Thread Charles Pax
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 11:58 PM, Michele Renda [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 And please, don't forgot coffee machine too :)

 Easy. Just find a food place that delivers and takes orders online. Wow, a
coffee machine you don't even need to clean. Find a delivery place that
takes orders over the phone and you have yourself a a voice-activated
system.

Seriously, an application that interacts with a food ordering/delivery site
like http://www.seamlessweb.com/ would be pretty cool. CoffeeMachine,
Kitchen, or Chef might be cool names for such an application.

First the GPS TTFF issue and now this; many hardware problems can be fixed
with software.

-Charles
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Re: some hardware suggestions

2008-08-29 Thread Nishit Dave
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Dale Maggee [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 - Genuine People Personality Module


Would you prefer aaah...thanks for using me as your phone, or life, don't
talk on me about it modes?
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Re: some hardware suggestions

2008-08-29 Thread Christ van Willegen
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 1:28 PM, Nishit Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Would you prefer aaah...thanks for using me as your phone, or life, don't
 talk on me about it modes?

I was listening to Fit the First and Fit the Second yesterday and
today, but both modes don't 'do it' for me...

I'd rather have a mode that... just works.

This is where location-aware (preferably in 4D) comes in. Hey, you're
close to the supermarket, and it's open, and you need (these)
groceries. All this preferably e-spoken, ofcourse...

This is where a _good_ OpenStreetMap comes in. You'll need a map that
is as correct as possible, and with as many POI's on it as possible.
Get your government to open up its road database. It's already being
done in Europe, and the USA has already donated its Tiger database as
well.

Christ van Willegen
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Re: some hardware suggestions

2008-08-29 Thread Alexey Kurochkin
On Fri, 2008-08-29 at 07:04 -0400, Charles Pax wrote:

 CoffeeMachine, Kitchen, or Chef might be cool names for such an
 application.

I would call it Garçon.


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Re: some hardware suggestions

2008-08-29 Thread Nishit Dave
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Christ van Willegen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 1:28 PM, Nishit Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  Would you prefer aaah...thanks for using me as your phone, or life,
 don't
  talk on me about it modes?


 This is where location-aware (preferably in 4D) comes in. Hey, you're
 close to the supermarket, and it's open, and you need (these)
 groceries. All this preferably e-spoken, ofcourse...


Yes.  And then we can sample our wives' voices to use with festival?



 This is where a _good_ OpenStreetMap comes in. You'll need a map that
 is as correct as possible, and with as many POI's on it as possible.
 Get your government to open up its road database. It's already being
 done in Europe, and the USA has already donated its Tiger database as
 well.


We have learnt that it is better to do it yourself.  Which is why the
ILUG-BOM [1] had organized an OSM Sprint [2].

Yours truly may be witnessed in the list - complaining about the FR.  I
really would love to see (a) reliable phone functions, and (b) GPRS GUI
working so I can exploit the FR's tremendous potential.

[1] http://www.glug-bom.org
[2]
http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/pipermail/linuxers/Week-of-Mon-20080818/064466.html
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Re: some hardware suggestions

2008-08-29 Thread Christ van Willegen
(to both lists...)

On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Nishit Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 We have learnt that it is better to do it yourself.  Which is why the
 ILUG-BOM [1] had organized an OSM Sprint [2].

 [1] http://www.glug-bom.org
 [2] 
 http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/pipermail/linuxers/Week-of-Mon-20080818/064466.html

AFAIK, the data that was included in the AND donation to OSM The
Netherlands includes India...

Christ van Willegen
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Re: some hardware suggestions

2008-08-29 Thread robin paulson
Christ van Willegen wrote:
 (to both lists...)
 
 On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Nishit Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 We have learnt that it is better to do it yourself.  Which is why the
 ILUG-BOM [1] had organized an OSM Sprint [2].
 
 [1] http://www.glug-bom.org
 [2] 
 http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/pipermail/linuxers/Week-of-Mon-20080818/064466.html
 
 AFAIK, the data that was included in the AND donation to OSM The
 Netherlands includes India...

and china

china and india need lots of correction/tidying work though; some of the 
roads are a long way off

plus, new zealand have recently agreed to let their road and property 
databases be included

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Re: some hardware suggestions

2008-08-29 Thread Dale Maggee
Nishit Dave wrote:
 On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Dale Maggee [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

   
 - Genuine People Personality Module

 

 Would you prefer aaah...thanks for using me as your phone, or life, don't
 talk on me about it modes?

   
I'd have to go with 'marvin mode', if my phone had a cheerful and sunny 
disposition and it was its pleasure to ring for me and its satisfaction 
to hang up again in the knowledge of a job well done, it would probably 
quickly find itself at the bottom of a deep, dark hole... having a 
self-satisfied phone seems more like the kind of thing apple would do... ;)


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Re: some hardware suggestions

2008-08-29 Thread Shawn Thompson
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 7:26 AM, Dale Maggee [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 Nishit Dave wrote:
  On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Dale Maggee [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
 
  - Genuine People Personality Module
 
 
 
  Would you prefer aaah...thanks for using me as your phone, or life,
 don't
  talk on me about it modes?
 
 
 I'd have to go with 'marvin mode', if my phone had a cheerful and sunny
 disposition and it was its pleasure to ring for me and its satisfaction
 to hang up again in the knowledge of a job well done, it would probably
 quickly find itself at the bottom of a deep, dark hole... having a
 self-satisfied phone seems more like the kind of thing apple would do... ;)


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Just imagine if your phone woke up from an SMS message being called by the
GSM and stated, I think you ought to know I'm feeling very depressed.
Something like that would be worth six pints of bitter just before the world
ends right?
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Re: some hardware suggestions

2008-08-29 Thread Dale Maggee
Shawn Thompson wrote:
 On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 7:26 AM, Dale Maggee [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

   
 Nishit Dave wrote:
 
 On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 10:49 AM, Dale Maggee [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:


   
 - Genuine People Personality Module


 
 Would you prefer aaah...thanks for using me as your phone, or life,
   
 don't
 
 talk on me about it modes?


   
 I'd have to go with 'marvin mode', if my phone had a cheerful and sunny
 disposition and it was its pleasure to ring for me and its satisfaction
 to hang up again in the knowledge of a job well done, it would probably
 quickly find itself at the bottom of a deep, dark hole... having a
 self-satisfied phone seems more like the kind of thing apple would do... ;)


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 Just imagine if your phone woke up from an SMS message being called by the
 GSM and stated, I think you ought to know I'm feeling very depressed.
 Something like that would be worth six pints of bitter just before the world
 ends right?
   
Hell yeah!

You told me to remind you that you've got a meeting at 3:30. Here I am, 
brain the size of a planet, and you've got me reminding you of your 
menial schedule. Call that job satisfaction? cuz I don't. Also, I've got 
this terrible pain in all the diodes down my left side...

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Re: some hardware suggestions

2008-08-29 Thread Michael Shiloh


Alexey Kurochkin wrote:
 On Fri, 2008-08-29 at 07:04 -0400, Charles Pax wrote:
 
 CoffeeMachine, Kitchen, or Chef might be cool names for such an
 application.
 
 I would call it Garçon.

ROTFL!

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Re: some hardware suggestions

2008-08-29 Thread Stroller

On 29 Aug 2008, at 12:04, Charles Pax wrote:
 On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 11:58 PM, Michele Renda  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 And please, don't forgot coffee machine too :)

 Easy. Just find a food place that delivers and takes orders online.  
 Wow, a coffee machine you don't even need to clean. Find a delivery  
 place that takes orders over the phone and you have yourself a a  
 voice-activated system.

I am reminded of the SGI `burrito` command - it was all that was  
necessary, apparently, to send your order to the local food-delivery  
company via the company's fax server.

I believe that `burrito` was aware of the different entrances to or  
parts of the SGI campus to which you might wish your snack delivered,  
and of course this must be specified by the user. Defaults were read  
from the user's .burritorc file, but could be overwritten by flags  
such as --extra-cheese (or whatever - sorry, we don't have burritos  
in the UK).

Stroller.


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some hardware suggestions

2008-08-28 Thread H.Hveem
Processors:

PXA320 Monahans

Cortex-A8  will run at up to 600MHz in low-power applications but clock 
to 1GHz in more performance-sensitive roles.


128MB Dedicated for open files, running software etc., not for storage,
or 256MB at all would be really nice and enough for any future software.
ROM

Enough to Hold O/S and a fair number of applications and their settings.
Persistent Storage with XIP capability. About 128 MB.
Storage

An internal Micro SDHC should be used for users' files and additional
software
Wireless data networking
WiMAX support

3GPP LTE Support ( via bluetooth)

Camera
Display
Multitouch screen

262k or 16.7M colurs for displaying images and especially videos.

OLED for better contrast, more rich colours, and less energy consumption.


Distance sensing touchscreen

Video acceleration

Hardware acceleration for video playback and 2D/3D accelleration



Transreflective screen


Input devices
Tablet PC like pen input (Wacom Technology)


Regular phone keypad


No Dependence on Stylus


QWERTY or Dvorak keyboard


A laser projection keyboard ( via bluetooth ? )


Just a few more Buttons

2 buttons more, 3 buttons total, mounted sideways would be enough. You
could use them for play/pause and loudness controll while the phone
remains in your pocket (display locked, ...), reading mails, rss,
ebooks,... without wasting display space and so on.


D-Pad and Buttons

3 axis Accelerometer


Determine Position
Dynamic Screen Orientation

Side-Mounted Touch Strip



Heart Rate Compatibility ( bluetooth )


Digital compass

A digital compass is useful for orienting maps to the terrain and other
location/direction/orientation based applications (... is 300 meter that
way) when the user is standing still (regardless of GPS reception) and
for following a bearing when GPS reception is poor or speed is low. Also
could be used to make the accelerometer data more exact.


Wishlist:Auto Align Map
Thermometer


Barometer and Variometer (Altimeter) ( bluetooth or usb )

A Barometer measures air pressure. This can be used to give weather
information, and also as a variometer, to sense relative altitude.
Variometers are commonly used in flying microlight and ultralight
aircraft, to get accurate relative altitude.

These are also common on high end GPS units. This is a great feature for
walkers as you can tell how far you have got on any ascent/decent.



Barcode Scanner (bluetooth )

Light Sensor

Ability to sense ambient light, and act accordingly. i.e if it's 3am and
LightValue.1 then Ring Quietly.



Make all unlocking of phone, password protected


Storage
MMC/SD/SDIO slot (rather than?) miniSD or microSD
Cheaper, more durable cards in a widely accepted format.
Much much larger storage capacity, even 32GB
Cards are harder to lose
Wider selection of accessories, including SDIO accessories.
Make externally available so that larger length SDIO cards can be used
(thinking about SDIO WLAN here)
SDHC compatible. It seems to already have the right hardware for it -
see Neo1973_Hardware#microSD-Card.
SD Card Slot

Micro SDHC for /home partition. Keep like current design underneath SIM


Local Communication
USB
5V Powered, to avoid having to carry around a hub for when you want to
occasionally plug in a memory stick.
USB 2.0

Bootable USB device emulation: the possibility to boot any computer on a
bootable flagged partition of the transflash.
Protection against incorrectly wired USB ports: some USB ports are wired
incorrectly; if the +5V and GND are swapped, the device would get -5V
when it's expecting +5V, which could burn some chips. A reverse-biased
diode between +5V and GND, D+ and GND, D- and GND, and (if used) ID and
GND, with a low enough forward voltage drop (to limite the negative
voltages to what the chips can withstand), would protect the device by
tripping the port's short circuit protection.
2 USB-Ports; one for acting as USB-host and one for acting as USB-device
at same time.



SIR/FIR transceiver (Serial Infrared) / IR remote control

Output devices
LED
The Neo1973 GTA02 will have LEDs of some sort behind at least one
button. [1]
For example a multicolor LED which pulses yellow for GSM/GPRS transmit,
blue for Bluetooth/Wifi, green to indicate non-urgent information -
missed call etc, red to indicate battery low or other urgent notices.
The LED and button ideas could be combined: illuminated buttons.
It must be possible to completely disable the LED to save power or other
personal preferences.

Flashlight ( high output LED )
For finding keys, or any other application. May also optionally pulse in
time with ring, to make phone more visible. This is really well done in
Nokia 5500.


FM transmitter ( bluetooth )

Small FM transmitter to output to car, and other nearby radios.

Fix the biggest flaw in the iPod before Apple does!
Infrared Transmitter w/ universal remote software


HAC Compliance

it would be nice to see the phone include a
telecoil, which allows the phone to connect wirelessly to many 

Re: some hardware suggestions

2008-08-28 Thread Michele Renda
And please, don't forgot coffee machine too :)

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Re: some hardware suggestions

2008-08-28 Thread Milos Mandaric
On Fri, 2008-08-29 at 05:58 +0200, Michele Renda wrote:
 And please, don't forgot coffee machine too :)
 
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LOL :)


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Re: some hardware suggestions

2008-08-28 Thread Dale Maggee
you forgot:

- Kitchen sink
- Matter Transporter / replicator (makes coffee machine redundant!)
- Warp Drive
- Holographic emitters
- Laser cannons
- Genuine People Personality Module


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Re: some hardware suggestions

2008-08-28 Thread Pritam Ghanghas
On Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Milos Mandaric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Fri, 2008-08-29 at 05:58 +0200, Michele Renda wrote:
 And please, don't forgot coffee machine too :)

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 LOL :)


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I loved it thought not possible as of now to pack in a decent sized
phone. But  I would like to have OMAP 3530 instead of PXA:_)

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