vi vs. nano in shr user manual (was Re: SHR first experiences user manual)

2009-08-28 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_User_Manual#Audio:_Volume On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Markus Törnqvistm...@nysv.org wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:32:09AM +0400, Paul Fertser wrote: Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi writes: How about preferring nano over vi? I think nano - telling

Re: vi vs. nano in shr user manual (was Re: SHR first experiences user manual)

2009-08-28 Thread Petr Vanek
Maybe the manual should explain how to use vi: how to save, exit etc.. I have no idea how to use it. Maybe a link to vi howto? the question is how in depth should the manual go. even describing how to adjust volume level (which as has been said million times is unique to each device so there is

Re: vi vs. nano in shr user manual (was Re: SHR first experiences user manual)

2009-08-28 Thread Fabian Schölzel
2009/8/28 Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi: I have no problems accepting that some prefer more vi than nano but I have hard time accepting it being suggested in a manual where you can't be sure people know how to use it as it isn't as self-explanatory as nano, no matter how much Ctrl you have

Re: vi vs. nano in shr user manual (was Re: SHR first experiences user manual)

2009-08-28 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Petr Vanekvan...@penguin.cz wrote: Maybe the manual should explain how to use vi: how to save, exit etc.. I have no idea how to use it. Maybe a link to vi howto? the question is how in depth should the manual go. even describing how to adjust volume level

Re: vi vs. nano in shr user manual (was Re: SHR first experiences user manual)

2009-08-28 Thread William Kenworthy
On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 11:00 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_User_Manual#Audio:_Volume ... Wait a sec - did I understand correctly that you want to tell people to use vi in the user manual? So I take you expect that people going through the manual are

Re: vi vs. nano in shr user manual (was Re: SHR first experiences user manual)

2009-08-28 Thread Iain B. Findleton
The FLTK distribution has an excellent editor that is largely based on nedit code which I use on my FR. Forward your X display to another host and fire it up. Does not have all the features of nedit, but works just fine when compiled out of the box. ... Wait a sec - did I understand

Re: vi vs. nano in shr user manual (was Re: SHR first experiences user manual)

2009-08-28 Thread Marko Knöbl
2009/8/28, Petr Vanek van...@penguin.cz: I also question too many links in the manual as i would like to package it as html for people to view it on the phone... The Wiki Editing Guidelines[1] are already telling people to Use as few links as possible. However these guidelines are hard to

Re: vi vs. nano in shr user manual (was Re: SHR first experiences user manual)

2009-08-28 Thread Al Johnson
On Friday 28 August 2009, William Kenworthy wrote: On Fri, 2009-08-28 at 11:00 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: see http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_User_Manual#Audio:_Volume ... Wait a sec - did I understand correctly that you want to tell people to use vi in the user manual? So I

Re: vi vs. nano in shr user manual (was Re: SHR first experiences user manual)

2009-08-28 Thread Petr Vanek
I would agree with Risto here - vi is great for experienced users, but for the inexperienced or pure user - it can be a nightmare experience that provides detractors with plenty of ammunition that linux is hard to use, for geeks only and not for serious use ... and what about leafpad - it's

Re: vi vs. nano in shr user manual (was Re: SHR first experiences user manual)

2009-08-28 Thread Risto H. Kurppa
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:34 PM, Petr Vanekvan...@penguin.cz wrote: I would agree with Risto here - vi is great for experienced users, but for the inexperienced or pure user - it can be a nightmare experience that provides detractors with plenty of ammunition that linux is hard to use, for