Re: [Tinkerphones] ZeroPhone site offline

[Dr. Michael Lauer]

Hi Radek,

> If i was doing software for open phone i'd make basic monolithic telephony
> 
> app (calls, SMS) that works directly with the modem, with one HW hardcoded.
> 
> No plugins no frameworks just keep it simple.

This!

When I envisioned the system architecture of Openmoko, I tried to be a nice
citizen with regards to existing components and versatility — otherwise I
would not have started with DBus as the „collaboration API“ in the first place.

While this was great for education and empowering people to write cool custom
dialers and components in all kinds of languages, it severely increased the 
complexity,
latency, etc.

If I were to do this behemoth of a software stack like freesmartphone.org 
again, it
would look pretty similar to what you just said. A monolithic
component that takes care about the „features“ of the phone – period. If at 
all, with
_very few_ – well defined – extension points for other software to „plug in“.

In fact, now that I have a new programming language darling, I’d even love to
do such a stack again from scratch… but time-wise/financially I can’t afford to 
do something
like that any more :-(

Cheers,

:M:

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Re: [Tinkerphones] ZeroPhone site offline

[Dr. Michael Lauer]

Thanks for churning up these interesting comments, Paul.

It’s extremely sad that after all these years with all our technological 
advancements and choice of free software projects, getting the very
basic task – solid and reliable phone calls with tolerable
audio quality and battery life – right, still seems to be unachieved.

As much as I love hacking middleware and user interfaces, I never got the
hang out of kernel and/or hardware programming. Even back in the
Openmoko days, I always had the feeling that the kernel and userland people
did not work together close enough. There were certainly people missing who had 
a
holistic approach, trying to work across the stack to provide an optimal
user experience.

I always thought this would mainly be a problem with our chaotic community-based
self-organized structures, but not with corporate ones…

That said, if the hardware and the kernel does not provide a certain quality, 
you can 
only do so much in userland. And it looks to me like the problem is still 
mainly that.

:M:

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Re: [Tinkerphones] ZeroPhone site offline

[Dr. Michael Lauer]

That’s a pity. In particular with the recent Pi Zero 2 design that could’ve
been a pretty sweet alternative feature phone.

:M:

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Re: [Tinkerphones] Librem 5

[Dr. Michael Lauer]

> But app developers (like those developing QtMoko) did expect 100% which we
> even have not achieved many years after the active development of QtMoko 
> ended.

Not just app developers, also middleware. In fact, the whole userland is 
depending on a 100%
functioning kernel – otherwise it’s just no fun anymore.

When I was younger, I could understand the „fixation“ on getting things into 
mainline – now, 
with more years on my back, I believe things would have turned out differently 
if we were
to follow the path of most commercial developers – which is, freezing the 
kernel at one point
of time to allow the rest of the folks to move forward without a moving target.

Later on, perhaps, submit stuff upstream, jump to another mainline kernel (if 
necessary), rinse
and repeat.

:M:

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Re: [Tinkerphones] ANN: LetuxOS on RasPi 3B+

[Dr. Michael Lauer]

Hi Arseijs,

I’d like to receive a version to have a look at porting FSO to the Zerophone – 
unfortunately
I have to skip FOSDEM this year though :(

Regards,

Mickey.

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Re: [Tinkerphones] eelo - LineageOS-based alternative smartphone OS

[Dr. Michael Lauer]

Interesting, thanks for the link.

Unfortunately only software, where as I think free hardware would
be more important these days. Still, I always had a sweet spot for
Mandrake, so let’s see what comes out of it.

Cheers,

:M:

P.S. Happy New Year!
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Re: [Tinkerphones] Next Tinkerphones Hard Hacking Meeting

[Dr. Michael Lauer]

> 
>> It will of course be less than a full workshop weekend,
>> but better than nothing.
>> 
>> Who will be at FOSDEM? Who is interested to meet other
>> members of this community in person?
> 
> I will and am, on both accounts.

Yay! Looking forwarding to seeing you again!

Take care,

Mickey.


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[Tinkerphones] Openmoko – 10 Years After (Mickey's Story)

[Dr. Michael Lauer]

Hi,

I’m not sure how many people are still subscribed to planet.openmoko.org 
, so
I’m linking to my post here as well:

http://www.vanille.de/openmoko-10-years-after-mickeys-story/ 


Depending on how long you are following the OpenMoko story, you might remember
and/or recognize a thing or two.

Hope you enjoy reading it as much as I enjoyed writing it.

#good-old-days

Cheers,

:M:

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