Owen I'd agree with you on the issue of transparency. I would request the following so that this doesn't look like a witch hunt.
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On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 1:50 AM, Owen DeLong <o...@delong.com> wrote: > I think, perhaps, Andrew believes that there are real problems facing > AfriNIC and the AfriNIC community and, rather than accusing him of a witch > hunt, I suspect he is asking for increased transparency and information on > behalf of the community in the interests of making those problems more > visible in the hopes they can be addressed before festering into something > much worse. I applaud his efforts in this area. > > Remember, as a board member and now as a former board member, he is bound > by NDA not to publicly discuss privileged information he knows from his > time on the board. However, that does not preclude him from asking > questions as a member of the community if he feels that some fraction of > that information should be made available to the community rather than > being held in privilege. > > I believe that in general, an organization like an RIR which is managing > resources on behalf of a community and serving as that community’s > representative in various external fora (ICANN, IGF, etc.) should be as > transparent in all of its processes and dealings as possible. This means, > IMHO, that unless there is a legitimate need for confidentiality (legal > strategies in active litigation, staff salaries, personnel matters, etc.), > information should generally be made available to the community by default. > > IMHO, the fact that the board publishes the minutes of board meetings, but > not those of subcommittees is an unfortunate and inappropriate workaround > against transparency and I encourage the board to rectify this situation > forthwith. > > Owen > > On Oct 9, 2017, at 12:40 AM, Timothy Ola Akinfenwa < > akin.akinfe...@uniosun.edu.ng> wrote: > > Dear Andrew, > While I am not speaking for or on behalf of the Board, I think your > assertion and position on this matter is rather too harsh and suspicious. > > You piled a heap of questions for the Board members forgetting they also > have lives outside AFRINIC. The chairman reliably informed you of how he > has been moving around for sponsorship to host the next meeting. I find it > absurd that all of a sudden you want a lot of questions answered, you want > complete transparency, you want undivided attention and commitment from > Board members, asking for this and that from a board you were actually part > of less than 6 months ago? A board you narrowly missed being re-elected > into? > > *For all the good your intention is worth*, I think you should change > your approach to this fact-finding course of yours else someone like me > begin to think you are only out to witch-hunt the Board. This can't just be > mere coincidence please. > > My concern is that why didn't you attempt to seek all these clarifications > when you were part of the Board? > > Now you are comparing our Board members to politicians? I find this > derogatory IMHO and I think your actions if not checked may spell doom for > this community. > > Cheers > > On Oct 9, 2017 5:34 AM, "Andrew Alston" <andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com> > wrote: > >> Unfortunately – it seems we are having in an era of silence these days >> from our elected representatives – and when responses do come – they are >> extremely delayed. >> >> >> >> I really am curious to see the amount of money spent on travel (in >> particular board travel) in the next release of the financials – because >> I’m interested if there is so little time to answer the community because >> the board members are busy flying around to conferences that we never seen >> any feedback or reports from. >> >> >> >> I asked on this list before if the board would consent to providing a >> community report for each board trip taken and paid for with our money – >> that query – never got answered either – and I’m not holding my breath. >> >> >> >> I guess we just have to wait till next year to roll around and speak with >> the ballot – maybe that voice will get heard – though I suspect that the >> entire board will suddenly become massively active right before the >> election and we’ll get pretty prompt responses as people start looking for >> votes… same thing you see with politicians who disappear right after >> elections until the time they need your votes again…. >> >> >> >> Andrew >> >> >> >> >> >> *From: *"kutestf...@gmail.com" <kutestf...@gmail.com> >> *Date: *Sunday, 8 October 2017 at 15:37 >> *To: *"community-discuss-requ...@afrinic.net" < >> community-discuss@afrinic.net>, "community-discuss@afrinic.net" < >> community-discuss@afrinic.net> >> *Subject: *[Community-Discuss] Enquiries/clarification >> >> >> >> Hello Community, hope this meets everyone well. I had written a mail on >> Friday the 06th but you all seem mute about it and no reply or response. >> You all seem to overlook as if nothing. It is well. I believe you all have >> conscience.. >> >> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. >> Original Message >> From: community-discuss-requ...@afrinic.net >> Sent: Saturday, 7 October 2017 13:00 >> To: community-discuss@afrinic.net >> Reply To: community-discuss@afrinic.net >> Subject: Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 226, Issue 1 >> >> Send Community-Discuss mailing list submissions to >> community-discuss@afrinic.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> community-discuss-requ...@afrinic.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> community-discuss-ow...@afrinic.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Community-Discuss digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Requests and questions (Andrew Alston) >> 2. Re: Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 225, Issue 1 >> (kutestf...@gmail.com) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2017 12:56:26 +0000 >> From: Andrew Alston <andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com> >> To: Sunday Folayan <sfola...@gmail.com>, General Discussions of >> AFRINIC <community-discuss@afrinic.net> >> Cc: AFRINIC Board of Directors' List <bo...@afrinic.net> >> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions >> Message-ID: >> <AM4PR03MB1794319666F6BD8F45F00069EE710@AM4PR03MB1794.eurprd >> 03.prod.outlook.com> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" >> >> Sunday, >> >> Firstly, thank you for agreeing to the investigation - we will await >> regular progress reports. >> >> Secondly - to say that the board was unware of the fact that I was >> referring to competitions issues - is disingenuous in my view. >> >> I point to an email on the 12/07/2017 sent to the RPD list - which >> clearly and demonstrably makes reference to the competitions act - and to >> which I got replies. >> >> The questions I asked are extremely easy to correlate between that email >> and the email asking the formal questions - Let me quote from aspects of >> that email: >> >> >> 1. It is fact that the prices per annum paid to AfriNIC by larger members >> are multiple times higher than what they are in certain other registries >> (there is a price differential of in excess of 20 times between AFRINIC and >> another registry in certain categories) >> 2. The lack of a bi-directional cross-regional transfer policy puts >> AfriNIC at direct risk of being in potential violation of the competitions >> act of 2007 - since AFRINIC is in effect forcing its members to remain >> using it - and paying the prices which they insist on and which the members >> have no control over >> 3. The fact that other RIR's DO permit members from other regions to >> inbound transfer space means that there is choice - and the members of >> AFRINIC are being held to ransom through the lack of a transfer policy >> 4. The argument that the PDP has not granted a transfer policy does not >> grant the company, or the board, immunity from acting within the bounds of >> the law in the area in which it is domiciled. >> 5. The board - as the effective "owners" of the company - have the power >> implement a transfer policy - because irrespective of what the bylaws say - >> as the sole members of the legal entity that is AFRINIC and as directors - >> the power DOES reside with them. >> 6. The implementation of any policy that could result in the revocation >> of resources while AFRINIC is continuing to act as a de-facto monopoly that >> is already possibly in direct violation of the competitions act would be >> shear insanity, since it FORCE entities into a position where they either >> spend a TON of money complying with audits which may or may not be >> justified - or lose those resources - with no ability to transfer the hell >> out. >> >> Basically - what I am saying is - while the competitions aspects have >> never been tested in a court - and actually in Mauritius - never need to be >> tested in a manner that costs anything or involves lawyers - because of the >> way their competitions tribunal works that aspect, when combined with this >> policy, create a perfect storm that I honestly believe would destroy >> afrinic. >> >> Thanks >> >> Andrew >> >> From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfola...@gmail.com] >> Sent: 05 October 2017 19:42 >> To: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss@afrinic.net> >> Cc: Andrew Alston <andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com>; AFRINIC Board of >> Directors' List <bo...@afrinic.net> >> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions >> >> >> Dear Mr Alston, >> >> I have been on the road between Abuja and Lagos, rallying support from >> the Nigerian Government for the hosting of the upcoming AFRINIC Meeting in >> November, without access to the Internet. >> >> On a question: We previously understood that you wanted an investigation >> into whether or not the lack of a bi-directional inter-RIR transfer policy >> had any implications considering the Companies Act. We replied that we >> could see no issues with the absence of a policy, and we could not answer >> for the implications of any hypothetical policy. So I don't think it's >> appropriate to say we refused to act since you've just now clarified that >> you meant the Competition Act, not the Companies Act. We hope you will help >> the Board maximize the use of her time in future. >> >> Having said that, the Board will commission an investigation into the >> implications of the lack of a bi-directional inter-RIR transfer policy, >> with respect to the Competition Act. We expect the work to start by 20 >> October 2017 (2 weeks from now). We do not know how long the investigation >> will take. >> >> Kind Regards .. >> >> Sunday. >> >> On 05/10/2017 15:43, Andrew Alston wrote: >> Dear Board, >> >> Any indication as to when we will hear from you again regarding this? >> >> Andrew >> >> >> From: Andrew Alston [mailto:andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com] >> Sent: 03 October 2017 10:27 >> To: Sunday Folayan <sfola...@gmail.com><mailto:sfola...@gmail.com> >> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss@afrinic.net >> ><mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' >> List <bo...@afrinic.net><mailto:bo...@afrinic.net> >> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions >> >> Dear Board, Sunday, >> >> I had some hope this board was slightly more... committed than this? >> >> I kind of fear what is going to happen to the audit report next year, and >> the other reports we're supposed to get from this board. Twice committed - >> publicly - twice failed to deliver on the commitments. >> >> I now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.ii - since >> committing to communication by not delivering it is certainly not inductive >> to open and transparent communication. I also now call this board in direct >> violation of section 3.4.vii - which states that this board must >> disseminate among its members information on all matters affecting the >> Company and its members, and to provide a central channel of communication >> for the members. >> >> Now - you can find many semantic reasons for not fulfilling your >> commitments to this community - and I am sure they will come - excuses and >> all the rest of it - and I'm pretty sure I could find relevant sections of >> the companies act - particularly about directors acting in good faith - but >> then at some point - the whole "that applies to shareholders, hence >> registered members" argument would most likely appear - been down that road >> before as well. >> >> Here is a suggestion to this board - if you don't have the time and >> effort to fulfil the commitments YOU made in the time frames YOU made them >> - maybe it's time to cancel ALL board travel - so instead of wasting this >> communities money on flying around the world for a week or two per board >> member - you have the time to fulfil your responsibilities as a board? >> >> It is a disgrace that a board elected by this community - a board that >> lobbied on platforms of transparency, of openness, of promoting the bottom >> up approach, would sit and promise answers to this community and then miss >> the deadlines they themselves set, not once, but twice. >> >> If you don't have time to do the job - why did you put your name forward >> - get elected - and take the job. >> >> Saddened and disillusioned (even more so than before) >> >> Andrew >> >> From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfola...@gmail.com] >> Sent: 24 September 2017 22:08 >> To: Andrew Alston <andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com<mailto: >> andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com>> >> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss@afrinic.net<mailto: >> community-discuss@afrinic.net>>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List < >> bo...@afrinic.net<mailto:bo...@afrinic.net>> >> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions >> >> >> Dear Mr Alston, >> >> 2nd October 2017. >> >> Thanks and Regards ... >> >> Sunday. >> On 22/09/2017 22:58, Andrew Alston wrote: >> Sunday - let us be clear here - is that two weeks since the original >> expiry date 10 days ago? >> >> Is that 10 days from today? Is that 14 days from today? Sorry - but after >> you've missed your own deadline by 10 days and taken 10 days to request the >> extension - it now becomes incumbent on you to give specifics as to exactly >> when we can expect the answers you committed to, so let's avoid any >> ambiguity here - can we have a date please >> >> Andrew >> >> >> From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfola...@gmail.com] >> Sent: 23 September 2017 00:52 >> To: Andrew Alston <andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com><mailto: >> andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com> >> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss@afrinic.net >> ><mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' >> List <bo...@afrinic.net><mailto:bo...@afrinic.net> >> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions >> >> >> Dear Mr Alston, >> >> Kindly accept my apology for a delayed response to your questions. >> >> The response is pending the final consideration of the Board. >> >> I will appreciate an extension of two weeks. >> >> With kind regards ... >> >> Sunday Folayan. >> On 21/09/2017 23:32, Andrew Alston wrote: >> Dear Sunday and Board of Directors, >> >> It concerns me greatly that the elected board of a community based >> organisation would make clear and firm commitments to reverting back to >> this community on some pretty serious questions - then miss the deadline >> they themselves set with no explanation to the community who is waiting for >> answers. And then, when questioned as to when the commitments made by the >> board would be met - stay entirely silent and say nothing. >> >> I understand that the board is busy, but a commitment is a commitment, >> and it is not this community that set the time frames here - it was the >> board who promised such. >> >> Again I ask - when will the board meet its commitments to this community >> that are clearly stated below? >> >> Andrew >> >> >> From: Andrew Alston [mailto:andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com] >> Sent: 18 September 2017 09:54 >> To: Sunday Folayan <sfola...@gmail.com><mailto:sfola...@gmail.com> >> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss@afrinic.net >> ><mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' >> List <bo...@afrinic.net><mailto:bo...@afrinic.net> >> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions >> >> Dear Sunday, Board of Directors. >> >> As per the below, we were told we would have a response within 60 days - >> this is now 3 days overdue. >> >> Can we please get an indication on when this commitment that was made >> will be met? >> >> Thanks >> >> Andrew >> >> >> From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfola...@gmail.com] >> Sent: 15 July 2017 09:03 >> To: Andrew Alston <andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com<mailto: >> andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com>> >> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss@afrinic.net<mailto: >> community-discuss@afrinic.net>>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List < >> bo...@afrinic.net<mailto:bo...@afrinic.net>> >> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions >> >> >> Dear Mr Alston, >> >> Thank you very much for your email and questions. >> >> The Board will get back to you within the next 60 days. >> >> Regards ... >> >> Sunday. >> >> On 14/07/2017 07:57, Andrew Alston wrote: >> Dear AfriNIC Board, >> >> I have been advised that when I had questions or request, that I put them >> in simple, direct requests. The following are a list of requests >> >> >> 1. Can the board please commission an investigation into whether the lack >> of a bi-directional transfer policy puts AFRINIC at risk of running afoul >> of the Mauritius Companies Act of 2007, and in what areas, and exactly what >> the potential liability is. >> 2. Can the board please advise the time frames required to commence such >> an investigation, and once said investigation has been commissioned, advise >> on the time frames to complete said investigation, and once concluded >> advise the community of the full results of said investigation >> 3. Can the board please investigate if the proceedings of board >> sub-committees, under Mauritian governance, form part of board proceedings, >> and if they do, advise the community when the meetings of said proceedings >> shall be published as per the agreement to publish the minutes of board >> meetings. >> 4. Can the board please commission an investigation into the limits that >> the RSA can be modified without member consent in the context of Mauritian >> law and advise the community of the results (Under Mauritian law, can a >> contract be changed without the consent of both parties, to the detriment >> of one, irrespective of what is already signed) >> 5. In addition to my request this morning on the members list requesting >> the board to check if any procedures and policies required by any MOU to >> which AFRINIC is a signatory are missing, can the board please investigate >> if there are any policies, procedures or committees that are required by >> a.) the CPM b.) The bylaws c.) the companies act d.) any other source which >> binds the company and advise the community of a.) the time frames to >> complete said investigation and b.) once known, the full list of >> outstanding policies/procedures/committees and c.) the time frames to >> rectify these areas. >> >> >> I look forward to hearing the results of the above. >> >> Many Thanks >> >> Andrew Alston >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> >> Community-Discuss@afrinic.net<mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net> >> >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss< >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss> >> >> >> -- >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> >> Sunday Adekunle Folayan >> >> Managing Director >> >> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) >> >> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria >> >> Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 >> >> Email: sfola...@skannet.com.ng<mailto:sfola...@skannet.com.ng>, >> sfola...@gmail.com<mailto:sfola...@gmail.com> >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> >> Sunday Adekunle Folayan >> >> Managing Director >> >> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) >> >> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria >> >> Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 >> >> Email: sfola...@skannet.com.ng<mailto:sfola...@skannet.com.ng>, >> sfola...@gmail.com<mailto:sfola...@gmail.com> >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> >> Community-Discuss@afrinic.net<mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net> >> >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss< >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss> >> >> >> -- >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> >> Sunday Adekunle Folayan >> >> Managing Director >> >> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) >> >> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria >> >> Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 >> >> Email: sfola...@skannet.com.ng<mailto:sfola...@skannet.com.ng>, >> sfola...@gmail.com<mailto:sfola...@gmail.com> >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> -- >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> >> Sunday Adekunle Folayan >> >> Managing Director >> >> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) >> >> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria >> >> Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 >> >> Email: sfola...@skannet.com.ng<mailto:sfola...@skannet.com.ng>, >> sfola...@gmail.com<mailto:sfola...@gmail.com> >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: <https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/attac >> hments/20171006/2404a012/attachment-0001.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2017 15:29:23 +0100 >> From: kutestf...@gmail.com >> To: community-discuss@afrinic.net >> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 225, >> Issue 1 >> Message-ID: <20171006142923.5881938.14239.1...@gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Hello All, great work you guys are doing out there, however, I had >> written earlier to ?fellows...@afrinic.net on the 27th of September and >> 03rd of December 2017 with no reply till date and below the details: >> >> Dear Afrinic-27, thanks so much for this opportunity, however, I noticed >> from the published lists, no NIgerian was selected even after the mail I >> got for contact as a fellow. I also noticed that my mail on the 27th hasn't >> been replied to. May I know what's really is going on. Thanks so much as I >> await a favorable reply/response. >> >> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 8:40 AM, wales nwelih <wnwe...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Hello Afrinic, I hope this meets you all well. I checked your website as >> published that (Final Announcement and Publication of Fellow list 26th >> September 2017 but have not seen anything yet. I used this website to check >> - https://meeting.afrinic.net/afrinic-27/ >> I hope I am on the right track. Thanks and awaiting your response. >> >> Mail I got from them on the 11th of September...? >> >> On behalf of the AFRINIC-27 fellowship selection committee, we would like >> to thank you for your interest in attending the AFRINIC-27 meeting in Lagos >> - Nigeria. >> >> Note that this meeting *is free of charge*, and as citizen of Nigeria you >> can attend by registering online at: AFRINIC_27_MEETING >> >> You can stay informed with updates and the latest news about AFRINIC 27 >> via our discussion lists, Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/afrinic) >> and on Twitter (http://twitter.com/afrinic). We are using the hashtag >> #AFRINIC27. >> >> If you are not yet subscribed to our various mailing lists, please go to >> http://www.afrinic.net/en/community/email-a-mailing-lists >> >> For any information, please contact us on fellows...@afrinic.net. >> >> Regards, >> >> ?--? >> AFRINIC Fellowship >> t: +230 403 51 00 | f: +230 466 6758 | tt: @afrinic | w:www.afrinic.net >> facebook.com/afrinic | flickr.com/afrinic | youtube.com/afrinicmedia >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> ---------------------------------------- >> Join us for the AFRINIC-27 meeting in Lagos, Nigeria, 26November to 02 >> December 2017 >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> ---------------------------------------- >> >> May I really knw what is going on and why wasn't any Nigerian selected >> amongst the 15 Fellows for this year AFRINIC-27? Thanks >> >> --? >> -- >> >> >> ? >> Sent?from?my?BlackBerry?10?smartphone. >> ? Original Message ? >> From: community-discuss-requ...@afrinic.net >> Sent: Friday, 6 October 2017 13:00 >> To: community-discuss@afrinic.net >> Reply To: community-discuss@afrinic.net >> Subject: Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 225, Issue 1 >> >> Send Community-Discuss mailing list submissions to >> community-discuss@afrinic.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> community-discuss-requ...@afrinic.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> community-discuss-ow...@afrinic.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Community-Discuss digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Requests and questions (Andrew Alston) >> 2. Re: Requests and questions (Sunday Folayan) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2017 14:43:13 +0000 >> From: Andrew Alston <andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com> >> To: Andrew Alston <andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com>, Sunday Folayan >> <sfola...@gmail.com> >> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss@afrinic.net>, >> AFRINIC Board of Directors' List <bo...@afrinic.net> >> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions >> Message-ID: >> <AM4PR03MB17942E80B9EE341AB7799B95EE700@AM4PR03MB1794.eurprd >> 03.prod.outlook.com> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" >> >> Dear Board, >> >> Any indication as to when we will hear from you again regarding this? >> >> Andrew >> >> >> From: Andrew Alston [mailto:andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com] >> Sent: 03 October 2017 10:27 >> To: Sunday Folayan <sfola...@gmail.com> >> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss@afrinic.net>; >> AFRINIC Board of Directors' List <bo...@afrinic.net> >> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions >> >> Dear Board, Sunday, >> >> I had some hope this board was slightly more... committed than this? >> >> I kind of fear what is going to happen to the audit report next year, and >> the other reports we're supposed to get from this board. Twice committed - >> publicly - twice failed to deliver on the commitments. >> >> I now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.ii - since >> committing to communication by not delivering it is certainly not inductive >> to open and transparent communication. I also now call this board in direct >> violation of section 3.4.vii - which states that this board must >> disseminate among its members information on all matters affecting the >> Company and its members, and to provide a central channel of communication >> for the members. >> >> Now - you can find many semantic reasons for not fulfilling your >> commitments to this community - and I am sure they will come - excuses and >> all the rest of it - and I'm pretty sure I could find relevant sections of >> the companies act - particularly about directors acting in good faith - but >> then at some point - the whole "that applies to shareholders, hence >> registered members" argument would most likely appear - been down that road >> before as well. >> >> Here is a suggestion to this board - if you don't have the time and >> effort to fulfil the commitments YOU made in the time frames YOU made them >> - maybe it's time to cancel ALL board travel - so instead of wasting this >> communities money on flying around the world for a week or two per board >> member - you have the time to fulfil your responsibilities as a board? >> >> It is a disgrace that a board elected by this community - a board that >> lobbied on platforms of transparency, of openness, of promoting the bottom >> up approach, would sit and promise answers to this community and then miss >> the deadlines they themselves set, not once, but twice. >> >> If you don't have time to do the job - why did you put your name forward >> - get elected - and take the job. >> >> Saddened and disillusioned (even more so than before) >> >> Andrew >> >> From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfola...@gmail.com] >> Sent: 24 September 2017 22:08 >> To: Andrew Alston <andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com<mailto: >> andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com>> >> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss@afrinic.net<mailto: >> community-discuss@afrinic.net>>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List < >> bo...@afrinic.net<mailto:bo...@afrinic.net>> >> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions >> >> >> Dear Mr Alston, >> >> 2nd October 2017. >> >> Thanks and Regards ... >> >> Sunday. >> On 22/09/2017 22:58, Andrew Alston wrote: >> Sunday - let us be clear here - is that two weeks since the original >> expiry date 10 days ago? >> >> Is that 10 days from today? Is that 14 days from today? Sorry - but after >> you've missed your own deadline by 10 days and taken 10 days to request the >> extension - it now becomes incumbent on you to give specifics as to exactly >> when we can expect the answers you committed to, so let's avoid any >> ambiguity here - can we have a date please >> >> Andrew >> >> >> From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfola...@gmail.com] >> Sent: 23 September 2017 00:52 >> To: Andrew Alston <andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com><mailto: >> andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com> >> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss@afrinic.net >> ><mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' >> List <bo...@afrinic.net><mailto:bo...@afrinic.net> >> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions >> >> >> Dear Mr Alston, >> >> Kindly accept my apology for a delayed response to your questions. >> >> The response is pending the final consideration of the Board. >> >> I will appreciate an extension of two weeks. >> >> With kind regards ... >> >> Sunday Folayan. >> On 21/09/2017 23:32, Andrew Alston wrote: >> Dear Sunday and Board of Directors, >> >> It concerns me greatly that the elected board of a community based >> organisation would make clear and firm commitments to reverting back to >> this community on some pretty serious questions - then miss the deadline >> they themselves set with no explanation to the community who is waiting for >> answers. And then, when questioned as to when the commitments made by the >> board would be met - stay entirely silent and say nothing. >> >> I understand that the board is busy, but a commitment is a commitment, >> and it is not this community that set the time frames here - it was the >> board who promised such. >> >> Again I ask - when will the board meet its commitments to this community >> that are clearly stated below? >> >> Andrew >> >> >> From: Andrew Alston [mailto:andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com] >> Sent: 18 September 2017 09:54 >> To: Sunday Folayan <sfola...@gmail.com><mailto:sfola...@gmail.com> >> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss@afrinic.net >> ><mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' >> List <bo...@afrinic.net><mailto:bo...@afrinic.net> >> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions >> >> Dear Sunday, Board of Directors. >> >> As per the below, we were told we would have a response within 60 days - >> this is now 3 days overdue. >> >> Can we please get an indication on when this commitment that was made >> will be met? >> >> Thanks >> >> Andrew >> >> >> From: Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfola...@gmail.com] >> Sent: 15 July 2017 09:03 >> To: Andrew Alston <andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com<mailto: >> andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com>> >> Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss@afrinic.net<mailto: >> community-discuss@afrinic.net>>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' List < >> bo...@afrinic.net<mailto:bo...@afrinic.net>> >> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions >> >> >> Dear Mr Alston, >> >> Thank you very much for your email and questions. >> >> The Board will get back to you within the next 60 days. >> >> Regards ... >> >> Sunday. >> >> On 14/07/2017 07:57, Andrew Alston wrote: >> Dear AfriNIC Board, >> >> I have been advised that when I had questions or request, that I put them >> in simple, direct requests. The following are a list of requests >> >> >> 1. Can the board please commission an investigation into whether the lack >> of a bi-directional transfer policy puts AFRINIC at risk of running afoul >> of the Mauritius Companies Act of 2007, and in what areas, and exactly what >> the potential liability is. >> 2. Can the board please advise the time frames required to commence such >> an investigation, and once said investigation has been commissioned, advise >> on the time frames to complete said investigation, and once concluded >> advise the community of the full results of said investigation >> 3. Can the board please investigate if the proceedings of board >> sub-committees, under Mauritian governance, form part of board proceedings, >> and if they do, advise the community when the meetings of said proceedings >> shall be published as per the agreement to publish the minutes of board >> meetings. >> 4. Can the board please commission an investigation into the limits that >> the RSA can be modified without member consent in the context of Mauritian >> law and advise the community of the results (Under Mauritian law, can a >> contract be changed without the consent of both parties, to the detriment >> of one, irrespective of what is already signed) >> 5. In addition to my request this morning on the members list requesting >> the board to check if any procedures and policies required by any MOU to >> which AFRINIC is a signatory are missing, can the board please investigate >> if there are any policies, procedures or committees that are required by >> a.) the CPM b.) The bylaws c.) the companies act d.) any other source which >> binds the company and advise the community of a.) the time frames to >> complete said investigation and b.) once known, the full list of >> outstanding policies/procedures/committees and c.) the time frames to >> rectify these areas. >> >> >> I look forward to hearing the results of the above. >> >> Many Thanks >> >> Andrew Alston >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> >> Community-Discuss@afrinic.net<mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net> >> >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss< >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss> >> >> >> -- >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> >> Sunday Adekunle Folayan >> >> Managing Director >> >> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) >> >> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria >> >> Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 >> >> Email: sfola...@skannet.com.ng<mailto:sfola...@skannet.com.ng>, >> sfola...@gmail.com<mailto:sfola...@gmail.com> >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> -- >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> >> Sunday Adekunle Folayan >> >> Managing Director >> >> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) >> >> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria >> >> Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 >> >> Email: sfola...@skannet.com.ng<mailto:sfola...@skannet.com.ng>, >> sfola...@gmail.com<mailto:sfola...@gmail.com> >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> >> Community-Discuss@afrinic.net<mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net> >> >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss< >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss> >> >> >> -- >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> >> Sunday Adekunle Folayan >> >> Managing Director >> >> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) >> >> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria >> >> Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 >> >> Email: sfola...@skannet.com.ng<mailto:sfola...@skannet.com.ng>, >> sfola...@gmail.com<mailto:sfola...@gmail.com> >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: <https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/attac >> hments/20171005/83467022/attachment-0001.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2017 17:41:48 +0100 >> From: Sunday Folayan <sfola...@gmail.com> >> To: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss@afrinic.net> >> Cc: AFRINIC Board of Directors' List <bo...@afrinic.net> >> Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions >> Message-ID: <50110e54-6e28-fd45-1507-f8b4bbf99...@gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed" >> >> Dear Mr Alston, >> >> I have been on the road between Abuja and Lagos, rallying support from >> the Nigerian Government for the hosting of the upcoming AFRINIC Meeting >> in November, without access to the Internet. >> >> >> On a question: We previously understood that you wanted an investigation >> into whether or not the lack of a bi-directional inter-RIR transfer >> policy had any implications considering the Companies Act. We replied >> that we could see no issues with the absence of a policy, and we could >> not answer for the implications of any hypothetical policy. So I don't >> think it's appropriate to say we refused to act since you've just now >> clarified that you meant the Competition Act, not the Companies Act. We >> hope you will help the Board maximize the use of her time in future. >> >> Havingsaid that, the Board will commission an investigation into the >> implications of the lack of a bi-directional inter-RIR transfer policy, >> with respect to the Competition Act. We expect the work to start by 20 >> October 2017 (2 weeks from now). We do not know how long the >> investigation will take. >> >> Kind Regards .. >> >> Sunday. >> >> >> On 05/10/2017 15:43, Andrew Alston wrote: >> > >> > Dear Board, >> > >> > Any indication as to when we will hear from you again regarding this? >> > >> > Andrew >> > >> > *From:*Andrew Alston [mailto:andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com] >> > *Sent:* 03 October 2017 10:27 >> > *To:* Sunday Folayan <sfola...@gmail.com> >> > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss@afrinic.net>; >> > AFRINIC Board of Directors' List <bo...@afrinic.net> >> > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions >> > >> > Dear Board, Sunday, >> > >> > I had some hope this board was slightly more? committed than this? >> > >> > I kind of fear what is going to happen to the audit report next year, >> > and the other reports we?re supposed to get from this board. Twice >> > committed ? publicly ? twice failed to deliver on the commitments. >> > >> > I now call this board in direct violation of section 3.4.ii ? since >> > committing to communication by not delivering it is certainly not >> > inductive to open and transparent communication. I also now call this >> > board in direct violation of section 3.4.vii ? which states that this >> > board must disseminate among its members information on all matters >> > affecting the Company and its members, and to provide a central >> > channel of communication for the members. >> > >> > Now ? you can find many semantic reasons for not fulfilling your >> > commitments to this community ? and I am sure they will come ? excuses >> > and all the rest of it ? and I?m pretty sure I could find relevant >> > sections of the companies act ? particularly about directors acting in >> > good faith ? but then at some point ? the whole ?that applies to >> > shareholders, hence registered members? argument would most likely >> > appear ? been down that road before as well. >> > >> > Here is a suggestion to this board ? if you don?t have the time and >> > effort to fulfil the commitments YOU made in the time frames YOU made >> > them ? maybe it?s time to cancel ALL board travel ? so instead of >> > wasting this communities money on flying around the world for a week >> > or two per board member ? you have the time to fulfil your >> > responsibilities as a board? >> > >> > It is a disgrace that a board elected by this community ? a board that >> > lobbied on platforms of transparency, of openness, of promoting the >> > bottom up approach, would sit and promise answers to this community >> > and then miss the deadlines they themselves set, not once, but twice. >> > >> > If you don?t have time to do the job ? why did you put your name >> > forward ? get elected ? and take the job. >> > >> > Saddened and disillusioned (even more so than before) >> > >> > Andrew >> > >> > *From:*Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfola...@gmail.com] >> > *Sent:* 24 September 2017 22:08 >> > *To:* Andrew Alston <andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com >> > <mailto:andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com>> >> > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss@afrinic.net >> > <mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>>; AFRINIC Board of Directors' >> > List <bo...@afrinic.net <mailto:bo...@afrinic.net>> >> > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions >> > >> > Dear Mr Alston, >> > >> > 2nd October 2017. >> > >> > Thanks and Regards ... >> > >> > Sunday. >> > >> > On 22/09/2017 22:58, Andrew Alston wrote: >> > >> > Sunday ? let us be clear here ? is that two weeks since the >> > original expiry date 10 days ago? >> > >> > Is that 10 days from today? Is that 14 days from today? Sorry ? >> > but after you?ve missed your own deadline by 10 days and taken 10 >> > days to request the extension ? it now becomes incumbent on you to >> > give specifics as to exactly when we can expect the answers you >> > committed to, so let?s avoid any ambiguity here ? can we have a >> > date please >> > >> > Andrew >> > >> > *From:*Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfola...@gmail.com] >> > *Sent:* 23 September 2017 00:52 >> > *To:* Andrew Alston <andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com> >> > <mailto:andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com> >> > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC >> > <community-discuss@afrinic.net> >> > <mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>; AFRINIC Board of >> > Directors' List <bo...@afrinic.net> <mailto:bo...@afrinic.net> >> > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions >> > >> > Dear Mr Alston, >> > >> > Kindly accept my apology for a delayed response to your questions. >> > >> > The response is pending the final consideration of the Board. >> > >> > I will appreciate an extension of two weeks. >> > >> > With kind regards ... >> > >> > Sunday Folayan. >> > >> > On 21/09/2017 23:32, Andrew Alston wrote: >> > >> > Dear Sunday and Board of Directors, >> > >> > It concerns me greatly that the elected board of a community >> > based organisation would make clear and firm commitments to >> > reverting back to this community on some pretty serious >> > questions ? then miss the deadline they themselves set with no >> > explanation to the community who is waiting for answers. And >> > then, when questioned as to when the commitments made by the >> > board would be met ? stay entirely silent and say nothing. >> > >> > I understand that the board is busy, but a commitment is a >> > commitment, and it is not this community that set the time >> > frames here ? it was the board who promised such. >> > >> > Again I ask ? when will the board meet its commitments to this >> > community that are clearly stated below? >> > >> > Andrew >> > >> > *From:*Andrew Alston [mailto:andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com] >> > *Sent:* 18 September 2017 09:54 >> > *To:* Sunday Folayan <sfola...@gmail.com> >> > <mailto:sfola...@gmail.com> >> > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC >> > <community-discuss@afrinic.net> >> > <mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>; AFRINIC Board of >> > Directors' List <bo...@afrinic.net> <mailto:bo...@afrinic.net> >> > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions >> > >> > Dear Sunday, Board of Directors. >> > >> > As per the below, we were told we would have a response within >> > 60 days ? this is now 3 days overdue. >> > >> > Can we please get an indication on when this commitment that >> > was made will be met? >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > Andrew >> > >> > *From:*Sunday Folayan [mailto:sfola...@gmail.com] >> > *Sent:* 15 July 2017 09:03 >> > *To:* Andrew Alston <andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com >> > <mailto:andrew.als...@liquidtelecom.com>> >> > *Cc:* General Discussions of AFRINIC >> > <community-discuss@afrinic.net >> > <mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>>; AFRINIC Board of >> > Directors' List <bo...@afrinic.net <mailto:bo...@afrinic.net>> >> > *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Requests and questions >> > >> > Dear Mr Alston, >> > >> > Thank you very much for your email and questions. >> > >> > The Board will get back to you within the next 60 days. >> > >> > Regards ... >> > >> > Sunday. >> > >> > On 14/07/2017 07:57, Andrew Alston wrote: >> > >> > Dear AfriNIC Board, >> > >> > I have been advised that when I had questions or request, >> > that I put them in simple, direct requests. The following >> > are a list of requests >> > >> > 1. Can the board please commission an investigation into >> > whether the lack of a bi-directional transfer policy >> > puts AFRINIC at risk of running afoul of the Mauritius >> > Companies Act of 2007, and in what areas, and exactly >> > what the potential liability is. >> > 2. Can the board please advise the time frames required >> > to commence such an investigation, and once said >> > investigation has been commissioned, advise on the >> > time frames to complete said investigation, and once >> > concluded advise the community of the full results of >> > said investigation >> > 3. Can the board please investigate if the proceedings of >> > board sub-committees, under Mauritian governance, form >> > part of board proceedings, and if they do, advise the >> > community when the meetings of said proceedings shall >> > be published as per the agreement to publish the >> > minutes of board meetings. >> > 4. Can the board please commission an investigation into >> > the limits that the RSA can be modified without member >> > consent in the context of Mauritian law and advise the >> > community of the results (Under Mauritian law, can a >> > contract be changed without the consent of both >> > parties, to the detriment of one, irrespective of what >> > is already signed) >> > 5. In addition to my request this morning on the members >> > list requesting the board to check if any procedures >> > and policies required by any MOU to which AFRINIC is a >> > signatory are missing, can the board please >> > investigate if there are any policies, procedures or >> > committees that are required by a.) the CPM b.) The >> > bylaws c.) the companies act d.) any other source >> > which binds the company and advise the community of >> > a.) the time frames to complete said investigation and >> > b.) once known, the full list of outstanding >> > policies/procedures/committees and c.) the time frames >> > to rectify these areas. >> > >> > I look forward to hearing the results of the above. >> > >> > Many Thanks >> > >> > Andrew Alston >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > Community-Discuss mailing list >> > >> > Community-Discuss@afrinic.net >> > <mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net> >> > >> > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> > >> > -- >> > >> > -------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > Sunday Adekunle Folayan >> > >> > Managing Director >> > >> > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) >> > >> > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria >> > >> > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 >> > >> > Email:sfola...@skannet.com.ng <mailto:sfola...@skannet.com.ng>, >> sfola...@gmail.com <mailto:sfola...@gmail.com> >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > -------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > Sunday Adekunle Folayan >> > >> > Managing Director >> > >> > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) >> > >> > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria >> > >> > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 >> > >> > Email:sfola...@skannet.com.ng <mailto:sfola...@skannet.com.ng>, >> sfola...@gmail.com <mailto:sfola...@gmail.com> >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > Community-Discuss mailing list >> > >> > Community-Discuss@afrinic.net <mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net> >> > >> > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> > >> > -- >> > -------------------------------------------------- >> > Sunday Adekunle Folayan >> > Managing Director >> > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) >> > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria >> > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 >> > Email:sfola...@skannet.com.ng <mailto:sfola...@skannet.com.ng>, >> sfola...@gmail.com <mailto:sfola...@gmail.com> >> > --------------------------------------------------- >> >> -- >> -------------------------------------------------- >> Sunday Adekunle Folayan >> Managing Director >> General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) >> 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria >> Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 >> Email: sfola...@skannet.com.ng, sfola...@gmail.com >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: <https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/attac >> hments/20171005/8bf7af6f/attachment-0001.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss@afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 225, Issue 1 >> ************************************************* >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss@afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of Community-Discuss Digest, Vol 226, Issue 1 >> ************************************************* >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss@afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss@afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> >> _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss@afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss@afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > >
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