Re: [Community-Discuss] Demanding Clarification and/or apology from PTA

2022-06-22 Thread Amin Dayekh
Dear Members, According to information Gathered, PTA (Pakistan Telecom Authority) had a directive to all members to refrain from using "if any is using" Ip resources from any continent, especially AFRINIC. Following the letters sent we gathered this info. More Details will be shared in due

Re: [Community-Discuss] Demanding Clarification and/or apology from PTA

2022-06-21 Thread Noah
On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 10:23 AM Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss < community-discuss@afrinic.net> wrote: > > > On Jun 20, 2022, at 00:04 , Amin Dayekh wrote: > > > wen, the discussion is not about the board, the emails are very clear, and > read well. A bribe is a criminal offense, and so is

Re: [Community-Discuss] Demanding Clarification and/or apology from PTA

2022-06-21 Thread Amin Dayekh
In simple terms, it seems you are much aware of the conduct, I can conclude or at least assume that when I read between the lines. Tracking the history of the offers, the offer of investment was the last step taken by them to Legalise this. Contracts between businesses are defined by intentions,

Re: [Community-Discuss] Demanding Clarification and/or apology from PTA

2022-06-21 Thread Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss
> On Jun 20, 2022, at 00:04 , Amin Dayekh wrote: > > > wen, the discussion is not about the board, the emails are very clear, and > read well. A bribe is a criminal offense, and so is offering a bribe, > multiple offenses can amount to conspiracy. My disagreements with the board > and

Re: [Community-Discuss] Demanding Clarification and/or apology from PTA

2022-06-20 Thread Amin Dayekh
wen, the discussion is not about the board, the emails are very clear, and read well. A bribe is a criminal offense, and so is offering a bribe, multiple offenses can amount to conspiracy. My disagreements with the board and AfriNIC were addressed through correct channels, ethically, objectively,

Re: [Community-Discuss] Demanding Clarification and/or apology from PTA

2022-06-20 Thread Noah
On Sat, 18 Jun 2022, 20:44 John Curran, wrote: > > On 16 Jun 2022, at 11:43 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: > > On Jun 15, 2022, at 13:07 , John Curran wrote: > > Since you’re opining on such matters, do you believe a "plain text > reading" of the applicable documents allows AFRINIC to restrict use to

Re: [Community-Discuss] Demanding Clarification and/or apology from PTA

2022-06-20 Thread Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss
> On Jun 19, 2022, at 06:25 , Amin Dayekh wrote: > > The discussion here is not about the board. It is as far as I am concerned. > Don't confuse Ethical/unethical conduct, with acts against the law. The board has committed both. To the best of my knowledge, NRS has committed only

Re: [Community-Discuss] Demanding Clarification and/or apology from PTA

2022-06-19 Thread Amin Dayekh
The discussion here is not about the board. Don't confuse Ethical/unethical conduct, with acts against the law. Offering bribes to influence the outcome of the elections endangers our role as members, questions the integrity of the nominee by such organization using bribe and defamation to take

Re: [Community-Discuss] Demanding Clarification and/or apology from PTA

2022-06-18 Thread Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss
> On Jun 18, 2022, at 04:51, Amin Dayekh wrote: > >  > Dont forget that the acts are related directly and simultaneously to their > allegations. As I have previously stated… I have no affiliation with NRS and find their conduct to be both immoral and unethical. Nonetheless, that does not

Re: [Community-Discuss] Demanding Clarification and/or apology from PTA

2022-06-18 Thread John Curran
On 16 Jun 2022, at 11:43 PM, Owen DeLong mailto:o...@delong.com>> wrote: On Jun 15, 2022, at 13:07 , John Curran mailto:jcur...@arin.net>> wrote: Since you’re opining on such matters, do you believe a "plain text reading" of the applicable documents allows AFRINIC to restrict use to the same

Re: [Community-Discuss] Demanding Clarification and/or apology from PTA

2022-06-18 Thread Amin Dayekh
Dont forget that the acts are related directly and simultaneously to their allegations. It is a course of time and good conduct that takes the enterprise to prove their good standing and change the general perception. Anyways I wish you well. On Sat, Jun 18, 2022 at 11:06 AM Owen DeLong

Re: [Community-Discuss] Demanding Clarification and/or apology from PTA

2022-06-18 Thread Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss
> On Jun 18, 2022, at 00:26 , Amin Dayekh wrote: > > You answered yes to my question, whereby I asked clearly rephrased here: a > company offering bribe to people to vote in their favor, will this company be > in a lny good standing or credible to talk about corruption again? Yes. > Are

Re: [Community-Discuss] Demanding Clarification and/or apology from PTA

2022-06-18 Thread Amin Dayekh
You answered yes to my question, whereby I asked clearly rephrased here: a company offering bribe to people to vote in their favor, will this company be in a lny good standing or credible to talk about corruption again? Are you sure? Owen, if I ask you today to take $100 to vote for me in the

Re: [Community-Discuss] Demanding Clarification and/or apology from PTA

2022-06-18 Thread Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss
> On Jun 18, 2022, at 00:00 , Amin Dayekh wrote: > > Good Morning Owen, > > There is something i wanted to ask you about, but please give me a short > answer and straight forward: > > In your opinion, an organization that is offering bribe to people in order to > get their votes, in order

Re: [Community-Discuss] Demanding Clarification and/or apology from PTA

2022-06-18 Thread Amin Dayekh
Good Morning Owen, There is something i wanted to ask you about, but please give me a short answer and straight forward: In your opinion, an organization that is offering bribe to people in order to get their votes, in order to influence the outcome of the elections to her favor in Camaros, -

Re: [Community-Discuss] Demanding Clarification and/or apology from PTA

2022-06-18 Thread Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss
> On Jun 17, 2022, at 14:19 , Sylvain Baya wrote: > > Dear AfriNIC's Community, > > Hope this email finds you in good health! > > warning: long email; where i mostly pasted > sections 4 & 6 of AfriNIC's RSA. Because it appears > that reading full RSA is mandatory for AfriNIC's > Resource

Re: [Community-Discuss] Demanding Clarification and/or apology from PTA

2022-06-18 Thread Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss
> On Jun 16, 2022, at 22:26 , Amin Dayekh wrote: > > I am not replying to this news paper, nor I have time to read it all. > > I will also ask you to remember your statement here, ( the resource holder > are pushing for a transfer policy) i will also prove you wrong! I look forward to your

Re: [Community-Discuss] Demanding Clarification and/or apology from PTA

2022-06-16 Thread Amin Dayekh
I am not replying to this news paper, nor I have time to read it all. I will also ask you to remember your statement here, ( the resource holder are pushing for a transfer policy) i will also prove you wrong! On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 4:40 AM Owen DeLong wrote: > > > On Jun 15, 2022, at 12:00 ,

Re: [Community-Discuss] Demanding Clarification and/or apology from PTA

2022-06-16 Thread Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss
> On Jun 15, 2022, at 13:07 , John Curran wrote: > > > >> On 15 Jun 2022, at 1:30 PM, Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss >> mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>> wrote: >> ... >> AFRINIC has not won or last any cases yet regarding the geographical >> restriction of IP Utilization. This is

Re: [Community-Discuss] Demanding Clarification and/or apology from PTA

2022-06-16 Thread Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss
> On Jun 15, 2022, at 12:00 , Amin Dayekh wrote: > > Owen, > for the sake of time, I will quote and reply and highlighted in red from your > ext > > quote: ( Because many resource holders wish to be able to sell their > underutilized resources in a worldwide secondary market. ) you used the

Re: [Community-Discuss] Demanding Clarification and/or apology from PTA

2022-06-15 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message Amin Dayekh wrote: >AfriNic acted according to the Bylaw and court, allow me here to refresh >your memory, if the ipv4 is not restricted to ise in Africa then why the >proposals for inter RIR transfer and Other proposals from the Meeting which >are available online? With respect to

Re: [Community-Discuss] Demanding Clarification and/or apology from PTA

2022-06-15 Thread John Curran
On 15 Jun 2022, at 1:30 PM, Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>> wrote: ... AFRINIC has not won or last any cases yet regarding the geographical restriction of IP Utilization. This is more misinformation from you. I expect that with regard to that

Re: [Community-Discuss] Demanding Clarification and/or apology from PTA

2022-06-15 Thread Amin Dayekh
Owen, for the sake of time, I will quote and reply and highlighted in red from your ext *quote: ( Because many resource holders wish to be able to sell their underutilized resources in a worldwide secondary market. ) *you used the term sell, in another reply you denied selling, anyway whatever

Re: [Community-Discuss] Demanding Clarification and/or apology from PTA

2022-06-15 Thread Amin Dayekh
pls save this answer for later, just remember what you said here and i will prove you wrong regardless the companies you mentioned as i have no affiliation with them i dont comment on them. On Wed, Jun 15, 2022 at 6:33 PM Owen DeLong wrote: > > > On Jun 15, 2022, at 09:29 , Amin Dayekh wrote:

Re: [Community-Discuss] Demanding Clarification and/or apology from PTA

2022-06-15 Thread Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss
> On Jun 15, 2022, at 09:29 , Amin Dayekh wrote: > > Owen, > > One question which a yes or no question: > > Is it allowed by afrinic with the provisions of bylaws written in Good faith > relying on the integrity of Members, is it Allowed to Sell IPV4 ? The bylaws are mute on this subject…

Re: [Community-Discuss] Demanding Clarification and/or apology from PTA

2022-06-15 Thread Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss
> On Jun 15, 2022, at 09:22 , Amin Dayekh wrote: > > Owen, > > Don’t rush, all in good time. > > Yes Misleading the public on claims and claims and claims with no single > piece of evidence! > > AfriNic acted according to the Bylaw and court, allow me here to refresh your > memory, if

Re: [Community-Discuss] Demanding Clarification and/or apology from PTA

2022-06-15 Thread Amin Dayekh
Owen, One question which a yes or no question: Is it allowed by afrinic with the provisions of bylaws written in Good faith relying on the integrity of Members, is it Allowed to Sell IPV4 ? On Wed, Jun 15, 2022 at 5:22 PM Amin Dayekh wrote: > Owen, > > Don’t rush, all in good time. > > Yes

Re: [Community-Discuss] Demanding Clarification and/or apology from PTA

2022-06-15 Thread Amin Dayekh
Owen, Don’t rush, all in good time. Yes Misleading the public on claims and claims and claims with no single piece of evidence! AfriNic acted according to the Bylaw and court, allow me here to refresh your memory, if the ipv4 is not restricted to ise in Africa then why the proposals for inter

Re: [Community-Discuss] Demanding Clarification and/or apology from PTA

2022-06-15 Thread Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss
> On Jun 14, 2022, at 14:32 , Amin Dayekh wrote: > > Dear members, > my attention was drawn to another misleading video of known sources who are > taking maliciously all steps against the Members of AfriNIC and AfriNIC. > > in the Video I noticed a misleading statement about the "Government

[Community-Discuss] Demanding Clarification and/or apology from PTA

2022-06-15 Thread Amin Dayekh
Dear members, My attention was drawn to another misleading video of known sources who are taking maliciously all steps against the Members of AfriNIC and AfriNIC. In the Video, I noticed a misleading statement about the "Government of Pakistan" but when I paused and looked at the document, The