Re: [Community-Discuss] Internet shutdown in Africa

2019-05-02 Thread Iyedi Goma
tks Noah for your great and realistic analyze, but we need to think about and open discussion to seek for solution, we know that AFRINIC LTD may not be the solution of our problem, but AFRINIC community is concern on this issue. what can we do Le mar. 30 avr. 2019 à 21:34, Noah a écrit : >

Re: [Community-Discuss] Internet shutdown in Africa

2019-05-01 Thread S. Moonesamy
Dear Ish, At 11:54 PM 30-04-2019, Ish Sookun wrote: Yes, AFRINIC could facilitate talks between government agencies, local groups and other stakeholders about digital rights. The governing documents for Afrinic Ltd do not mention promotion of digital rights. In my opinion, it is better if

Re: [Community-Discuss] Internet shutdown in Africa

2019-05-01 Thread Ish Sookun
Hi SM, On 5/1/19 8:18 AM, S. Moonesamy wrote: > In general, "Internet shutdowns" are about social network shutdowns.  > That could fit under the topic of digital rights [1].  In my opinion, > digital rights are not directly related to what Afrinic Ltd does.  I did > not understand the following:

Re: [Community-Discuss] Internet shutdown in Africa

2019-04-30 Thread S. Moonesamy
Dear Ish, At 01:01 PM 30-04-2019, Ish Sookun wrote: It would be ideal if a discussion could start here and reach people with decision-making mandates. At the moment, I do not see anything within AFRINIC that could take things beyond the mailing list, except the will of people. Once in a while

Re: [Community-Discuss] Internet shutdown in Africa

2019-04-30 Thread Noah
Folks Policies and IGF are all good until political power is threatened. In such a situation, politics will always win the day in some countries where the administrative state see it fit to temp shut down your beloved Internet after all its feasible in term of saving the day. As long as the

Re: [Community-Discuss] Internet shutdown in Africa

2019-04-30 Thread Dewole Ajao
I was of the opinion that this was a community discussion and we were each speaking in our capacity as (potentially) affected users - not from an AFRINIC perspective; AFRINIC does not determine the engagement in our countries anyway. You are right, though - the local Internet Governance

Re: [Community-Discuss] Internet shutdown in Africa

2019-04-30 Thread Ish Sookun
Hi Dewole, On 4/30/19 11:25 PM, Dewole Ajao wrote: > I wouldn't say any website should be blocked. If the policy makers have > a concern (founded or unfounded), all we can do is try to educate them > and show them better ways to deal with their concerns. Now is the time > to start that engagement

Re: [Community-Discuss] Internet shutdown in Africa

2019-04-30 Thread Ish Sookun
Hi Abdulkarim, On 4/30/19 10:48 PM, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE wrote: > Agreed but am not refereeing to ordinary users here. I was talking about > getting desperate news out in a shutdown situation. If there is a nationwide internet shutdown, how would someone use a company intranet to get

Re: [Community-Discuss] Internet shutdown in Africa

2019-04-30 Thread Ish Sookun
Hi Dewole, On 4/30/19 8:22 PM, Dewole Ajao wrote: > Realistically, the only effective thing we can (attempt to) do is seek > out the policy makers, educate them about how an uninterrupted Internet > is really important to us, listen to their concerns, and help them > formulate policies that

Re: [Community-Discuss] Internet shutdown in Africa

2019-04-30 Thread ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE
Dear Ish, Agreed but am not refereeing to ordinary users here. I was talking about getting desperate news out in a shutdown situation. AK On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 7:31 PM Ish Sookun wrote: > Hi Abdulkarim, > > On 4/30/19 9:40 PM, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE wrote: > > > > Then my point about the

Re: [Community-Discuss] Internet shutdown in Africa

2019-04-30 Thread Ish Sookun
Hi Abdulkarim, On 4/30/19 9:40 PM, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE wrote: > > Then my point about the "back door". > What I mean is that what we know about the internet today is a richly > interconnected network without a single killer switch.  The government > can only speak to ISP's within their

Re: [Community-Discuss] Internet shutdown in Africa

2019-04-30 Thread ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE
Dear Ish, I totally agree with you that it is an internet governance issue and not directly related to AFRINIC. However, there is a kind of interconnection between all the players in the internet ecosystem which include AFRINIC and I think that was the reason Serge-parfait raised it here. Just as

Re: [Community-Discuss] Internet shutdown in Africa

2019-04-30 Thread Dewole Ajao
Realistically, the only effective thing we can (attempt to) do is seek out the policy makers, educate them about how an uninterrupted Internet is really important to us, listen to their concerns, and help them formulate policies that address their concerns without shutting down the Internet.

Re: [Community-Discuss] Internet shutdown in Africa

2019-04-30 Thread Ish Sookun
Hi Serge, I recall from lengthy discussions when the idea of an "anti internet shutdown policy" was tossed here, it was argued that AFRINIC might not be the right platform to raise the issue but instead perhaps it could be raised through the Internet Governance Forum. That being said, what do

Re: [Community-Discuss] Internet shutdown in Africa

2019-04-30 Thread Ish Sookun
Hi Abdulkarim, On 4/29/19 5:22 PM, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE wrote: > But the good thing about the current internet structure is there is > always a back door. We need to make sure  we continue to fight to make > the system more decentralised and indipenden to prevent cases like this.  I did not

Re: [Community-Discuss] Internet shutdown in Africa

2019-04-30 Thread Iyedi Goma
'origine > De : Iyedi Goma > Date : 30/04/2019 08:01 (GMT+01:00) > À : Gregoire EHOUMI > Cc : community-discuss-requ...@afrinic.net, community-discuss@afrinic.net > Objet : Re: [Community-Discuss] Internet shutdown in Africa > > Salut Grégoire > > C est la, l un

Re: [Community-Discuss] Internet shutdown in Africa

2019-04-30 Thread khaled
-discuss-requ...@afrinic.net, community-discuss@afrinic.net Objet : Re: [Community-Discuss] Internet shutdown in Africa Salut GrégoireC est la, l un des aspects les plus importants, l impact économique sur les décisions prises. Voici un lien qui parle de l impact de la coupure du Benin   https

Re: [Community-Discuss] Internet shutdown in Africa

2019-04-30 Thread Iyedi Goma
Salut Grégoire C est la, l un des aspects les plus importants, l impact économique sur les décisions prises. Voici un lien qui parle de l impact de la coupure du Benin https://beninwebtv.com/2019/04/benin-legislative-2019-impact-economique-de-la-perturbation-dinternet/ Quel peut être la

Re: [Community-Discuss] Internet shutdown in Africa

2019-04-29 Thread Iyedi Goma
Hello Yes you are really right, we need to talk about we need to find the way to solve such case. Specifically by bringing our silence Le lun. 29 avr. 2019 à 14:22, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE < oloyede...@unilorin.edu.ng> a écrit : > Hi, > It is really a shame. I think we need to speak out more

Re: [Community-Discuss] Internet shutdown in Africa

2019-04-29 Thread ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE
Hi, It is really a shame. I think we need to speak out more about this and tell them this is very wrong. But the good thing about the current internet structure is there is always a back door. We need to make sure we continue to fight to make the system more decentralised and indipenden to

[Community-Discuss] Internet shutdown in Africa

2019-04-29 Thread Iyedi Goma
Dear all Now Benin gov learn how to block the internet and the counter measure (VPNs and Co) Africa governments are always ready to learn bad habits as if it's a curse. what do you think about digital future of africa best regards Serge-parfait Goma