Re: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] NomCom Call for Volunteers

2018-01-22 Thread Mark Elkins 


On 22/01/2018 10:19, AFRINIC Communication wrote:
> [Version française ci-dessous]
>
> Dear AFRINIC community,
>
> The AFRINIC Board is required to appoint a Nomination Committee (NomCom) 
> every year, in terms of article 9 of the Bylaws 
> .
>
> I hereby call for volunteers from the community to fill three open positions 
> on the 2018 NomCom.  If you are interested in serving on the 2018 NomCom, 
> please send your expression of interest, including a short biography, by 
> email to legalafrinic dot net by Friday 3 February 2018 at 20:00 UTC.
...
> * AFRINIC Board of Directors:
>
> Two Board seats are up for election, to serve three-year terms from 2018 to 
> 2021.  Terms begin and end after the AGMM where elections are held.
> - Seat 5 (Southern Africa), currently held by Lucky Masilela;
> - Seat 6 (Eastern Africa), currently held by Abibu Rashid Ntahigiye.
...
> In terms of section 9.1 of the Bylaws:
> - No candidate for election to the Board may be a member of the NomCom;
> - No person domiciled in a region whose Board seat is open for renewal may be 
> a member of the NomCom; this means that the 2018 NomCom may not not include 
> people who reside in the Eastern Africa or Southern Africa regions.

I'm beginning to seriously wonder about the relevance of 9.1 in the
Bylaws. They certainly used to make sense when there were two Board
members per region and there were only elections for PDP and ASO (of
which few wanted to do), but now it is only one Board member and there
are also Governance and other seats from any region. That is - its
probably very difficult to find NomCom volunteers from regions where
there is not something going on election-wise.

If the second part of 9.1 were scrapped (or even suspended) "No person
domiciled in a region whose Board seat is open for renewal may be a
member of the NomCom;" - I'd happily volunteer for NomCom duties, a job
I believe I know pretty well.

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Re: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] NomCom Call for Volunteers

2018-01-22 Thread Kris Seeburn 
Actually this clause also affects the two-non regional directors. Meaning there 
is a challenge here.

But anyways, since at this point there is no one from mauritius I would like to 
volunteer as well for the nomcom. I am not going to write a cv. So I hope am 
considered.

Kris

> On 22 Jan 2018, at 12:46, Mark Elkins  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 22/01/2018 10:19, AFRINIC Communication wrote:
>> [Version française ci-dessous]
>> 
>> Dear AFRINIC community,
>> 
>> The AFRINIC Board is required to appoint a Nomination Committee (NomCom) 
>> every year, in terms of article 9 of the Bylaws 
>> .
>> 
>> I hereby call for volunteers from the community to fill three open positions 
>> on the 2018 NomCom.  If you are interested in serving on the 2018 NomCom, 
>> please send your expression of interest, including a short biography, by 
>> email to legalafrinic dot net by Friday 3 February 2018 at 20:00 UTC.
> ...
>> * AFRINIC Board of Directors:
>> 
>> Two Board seats are up for election, to serve three-year terms from 2018 to 
>> 2021.  Terms begin and end after the AGMM where elections are held.
>> - Seat 5 (Southern Africa), currently held by Lucky Masilela;
>> - Seat 6 (Eastern Africa), currently held by Abibu Rashid Ntahigiye.
> ...
>> In terms of section 9.1 of the Bylaws:
>> - No candidate for election to the Board may be a member of the NomCom;
>> - No person domiciled in a region whose Board seat is open for renewal may 
>> be a member of the NomCom; this means that the 2018 NomCom may not not 
>> include people who reside in the Eastern Africa or Southern Africa regions.
> 
> I'm beginning to seriously wonder about the relevance of 9.1 in the
> Bylaws. They certainly used to make sense when there were two Board
> members per region and there were only elections for PDP and ASO (of
> which few wanted to do), but now it is only one Board member and there
> are also Governance and other seats from any region. That is - its
> probably very difficult to find NomCom volunteers from regions where
> there is not something going on election-wise.
> 
> If the second part of 9.1 were scrapped (or even suspended) "No person
> domiciled in a region whose Board seat is open for renewal may be a
> member of the NomCom;" - I'd happily volunteer for NomCom duties, a job
> I believe I know pretty well.
> 
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> m...@posix.co.za   Tel: +27.128070590  Cell: +27.826010496
> For fast, reliable, low cost Internet in ZA: https://ftth.posix.co.za
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Re: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] NomCom Call for Volunteers

2018-01-22 Thread Owen DeLong 

> On Jan 22, 2018, at 2:08 PM, Kris Seeburn  wrote:
> 
> @ Alan 
> 
> The issues I have with the non geographic directors. It is that you already 
> nominate the nomcom then the call goes out. The likeliness of oneor two 
> persons on nomcom even with the clause. The clause works for geographic 
> directors. 
> 
> How do you predict that there won’t be one or two candidates from the same 
> country of nomcom nominated!!!

You don’t. However, that’s not what the clause calls for. It calls for an 
absence of noncom members domiciled in the region of a geographically limited 
seat.

> To be honest I saw that as a defeat to the process. Let’s take Andrew he is 
> both Kenyan and South African but on nomcom we still had John Walubengo from 
> Kenya. As far as the geographic directors fine no issues none from east and 
> south will be chosen. Next year there will be two geo and one non geo we only 
> know candidates after the call. Then in which case this defeats the purpose.

The clause isn’t about the candidates (though perhaps that would be better 
process). The clause is about the region to which the geographic seats are tied.

> In which case I would then suggest that candidates from same country as one 
> of the nomcom should recuse him or her. My two cents.

Meh… Perhaps.

> @ Boubakar I don’t see issues for others to participate in fact it will. Be a 
> good thing for new but I still think they need guidance. But I’ll be more 
> than happy that we get the numbers to form the committee and good ones. 
> 
> Not talking for mark we have seen all through the years there is 3 to 5 or 6 
> and some get disqualified because they are from the same country of the geo 
> candidate.
> 
> And the board makes a call for volunteers anyone interested is open to do so. 
> Then the board looks into the profiles also if let’s say one member of nomcom 
> is in the country of AIS. Makes cost less.
> 
> It’s not rocket science.

Truth.

Owen

> 
> Kris
> 
> On 23 Jan 2018, at 01:51, Owen DeLong  > wrote:
> 
>>> 
>>> - I'd happily volunteer for NomCom duties, a job
>>> I believe I know pretty well.
>>> 
>>> There are certainly other ways to serve the AfriNIC community.
>>> 
>>> On this matter, shouldn't we not rather encourage less experienced but able 
>>> members of our community to chip in, without changing the rules? There is a 
>>> first step in everything, and the vast experience in NomCom affairs for a 
>>> number of members of our community is a good proof of that. They all had a 
>>> first nomination and eventually election as NomCom member for our community.
>> 
>> I believe that the NomCom is appointed and not elected, therefore I don’t 
>> believe anyone has ever been elected to the NomCom.
>> 
>> Owen
>> 
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Re: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] NomCom Call for Volunteers

2018-01-22 Thread Boubakar Barry 
On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 8:46 AM, Mark Elkins  wrote:

>
>
> On 22/01/2018 10:19, AFRINIC Communication wrote:
> > [Version française ci-dessous]
> >
> > Dear AFRINIC community,
> >
> > The AFRINIC Board is required to appoint a Nomination Committee (NomCom)
> every year, in terms of article 9 of the Bylaws <
> https://afrinic.net/en/about/bylaws/2001-afrinic-bylaws-2016?start=8>.
> >
> > I hereby call for volunteers from the community to fill three open
> positions on the 2018 NomCom.  If you are interested in serving on the 2018
> NomCom, please send your expression of interest, including a short
> biography, by email to legalafrinic dot net by Friday 3 February 2018
> at 20:00 UTC.
> ...
> > * AFRINIC Board of Directors:
> >
> > Two Board seats are up for election, to serve three-year terms from 2018
> to 2021.  Terms begin and end after the AGMM where elections are held.
> > - Seat 5 (Southern Africa), currently held by Lucky Masilela;
> > - Seat 6 (Eastern Africa), currently held by Abibu Rashid Ntahigiye.
> ...
> > In terms of section 9.1 of the Bylaws:
> > - No candidate for election to the Board may be a member of the NomCom;
> > - No person domiciled in a region whose Board seat is open for renewal
> may be a member of the NomCom; this means that the 2018 NomCom may not not
> include people who reside in the Eastern Africa or Southern Africa regions.
>
> I'm beginning to seriously wonder about the relevance of 9.1 in the
> Bylaws. They certainly used to make sense when there were two Board
> members per region and there were only elections for PDP and ASO (of
> which few wanted to do), but now it is only one Board member and there
> are also Governance and other seats from any region. That is - its
> probably very difficult to find NomCom volunteers from regions where
> there is not something going on election-wise.
>

Can this be substantiated (especially the last part of the statement?).


> If the second part of 9.1 were scrapped (or even suspended) "No person
> domiciled in a region whose Board seat is open for renewal may be a
> member of the NomCom;"


I would not recommend this.


> - I'd happily volunteer for NomCom duties, a job
> I believe I know pretty well.
>

There are certainly other ways to serve the AfriNIC community.

On this matter, shouldn't we not rather encourage less experienced but able
members of our community to chip in, without changing the rules? There is a
first step in everything, and the vast experience in NomCom affairs for a
number of members of our community is a good proof of that. They all had a
first nomination and eventually election as NomCom member for our community.

Boubakar


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Re: [Community-Discuss] [AFRINIC-Announce] NomCom Call for Volunteers

2018-01-22 Thread Alan Barrett 


> On 22 Jan 2018, at 15:05, Kris Seeburn  wrote:
> 
> Actually this clause also affects the two-non regional directors. Meaning 
> there is a challenge here.

We do not consider the non-regional seats when determining which regions are 
affected by the reference in article 9.1 of the Bylaws to "a region whose seat 
is open for renewal”.

Alan Barrett


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