Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Council of Elders

2016-07-12 Thread Omo Oaiya
On 12 July 2016 at 20:45, Nishal Goburdhan wrote: > > Any other interpretation is disingenuous. >> > > really omo? that’s hardly sporting of you. because an interpretation does not match your own, does *not* make that > interpretation incorrect. > i’m simply giving

Re: [Community-Discuss] Fwd: [members-discuss] Matters Arising - Further clarification

2016-07-12 Thread Badru Ntege
Chair Thanks for your input in the ongoing dialogue. Comments inline > On 12 Jul 2016, at 10:26 pm, Sunday Folayan wrote: > > Forwarded Message > > Dear AFRINIC Members and Community, > > I would like to offer some additional clarifications on issues

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Council of Elders

2016-07-12 Thread Omo Oaiya
On 12 July 2016 at 21:03, Mike Silber wrote: > Nishal +1 > > Maybe a hypothetical if I may: what if a former Chairperson were to pass, > or to be unable or unwilling to serve on the CoE, or even if they were to > be convicted of an offense after their term that would

Re: [Community-Discuss] Annual Reports 2014 and 2015 Missing

2016-07-12 Thread Raz BIRAMAH
Anyway, i think those documents are not really missed. One just need to upload them to the website and show the link. Isn’t it? Raz > Le 27 juin 2016 à 15:04, Badru Ntege a écrit : > > > +1 > > I hope

Re: [Community-Discuss] post ipv4 depletion frauds, brokers activities

2016-07-12 Thread Raz BIRAMAH
> Le 27 juin 2016 à 11:18, Noah a écrit : > > NOTE: The idea was for them [Number Resources] to be allocated on needs > basis and at some administrative fees and if company 'foo' run out of > business and couldn't use them any longer, they were then returned to the > parent

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Council of Elders

2016-07-12 Thread John Ngwoke
+1 I agree with Owen. Since the chair Sunday has assured us that this matter will be treated by the board in their next meeting. We have confidence in the board members, that is why we voted them. So we have to trust them on this, knowing that what ever decision they will arrive at will be in the

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Council of Elders

2016-07-12 Thread Owen DeLong
Having looked at this from several angles, I think I see the source of confusion… Section 16 in its entirety reads: 16 THE COUNCIL OF ELDERS There shall be a Council of Elders appointed by the Board comprising a maximum of six (6) former chairpersons of AFRINIC who have left the Board. Their

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Council of Elders

2016-07-12 Thread Evelyn Namara
./All, Just out of curiosity, have all former chairpersons served on the CoE with Badru being the exception? (This is regardless of whether it is automatic or otherwise) If the answer is yes - What criteria does the board use to deem a former chair worthy of a sit on the CoE? On Tue, Jul 12,

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Council of Elders

2016-07-12 Thread Mike Silber
Nishal +1 Maybe a hypothetical if I may: what if a former Chairperson were to pass, or to be unable or unwilling to serve on the CoE, or even if they were to be convicted of an offense after their term that would disqualify them as a director. I don't think the community would want an unable

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Council of Elders

2016-07-12 Thread Nishal Goburdhan
On 12 Jul 2016, at 13:26, Omo Oaiya wrote: Let's get off this micromanagement train. yes indeed, let’s! "There shall be a Council of Elders appointed by the Board comprising a maximum of six (6) former chairpersons of AFRINIC who have left the Board. Their advisory role is commensurate

[Community-Discuss] Fwd: [members-discuss] Matters Arising - Further clarification

2016-07-12 Thread Sunday Folayan
Forwarded Message Dear AFRINIC Members and Community, I would like to offer some additional clarifications on issues being discussed. 1. Strategic Document This is not a radical departure from past strategic plans, in outline. Indeed, this is an enhancement of the unpublished

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Strategy Document

2016-07-12 Thread ALAIN AINA
> On Jul 12, 2016, at 2:33 PM, Randy Bush wrote: > I think you may be confusing strategy with tactics. >>> this problem seems pervasive, and may have its root cause in a desire to >>> micro-manage the board and exec. >> Well duplicity seems to be also pervasive > > qed, i

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Council of Elders

2016-07-12 Thread Noah
> On 12 July 2016 at 12:04, Nishal Goburdhan wrote: >> >> On 12 Jul 2016, at 11:32, Honest Ornella GANKPA wrote: >> > Hi @Ornella and @Nishal >> >>> then on which criteria are the elders >>> selected? What is the process of selection ? >> >> >> the bylaws do not

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Council of Elders

2016-07-12 Thread Nishal Goburdhan
On 12 Jul 2016, at 11:32, Honest Ornella GANKPA wrote: Hello Nishal If the position is not automatic, in reading the text, this does appear to be the case. then on which criteria are the elders selected? What is the process of selection ? the bylaws do not specify. just like how they

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Strategy Document

2016-07-12 Thread Noah
On 12 Jul 2016 12:19, "Randy Bush" wrote: > > > I think you may be confusing strategy with tactics. > > this problem seems pervasive, and may have its root cause in a desire to > micro-manage the board and exec. > Well duplicity seems to be also pervasive . Strategy and tactics

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Council of Elders

2016-07-12 Thread Honest Ornella GANKPA
Hello Nishal My comments are inline 2016-07-11 18:36 GMT+01:00 Nishal Goburdhan : > On 11 Jul 2016, at 18:39, Honest Ornella GANKPA wrote: > > and it seems that automatically every former chair become part of the CoE. >>

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Council of Elders

2016-07-12 Thread John Ngwoke
My personal opinion on this is; Going forward this should be address since it is clearly stated in the AFRINIC bylaw. Mr. Ntege served as the Chair, so i support the motion of including him as one of the CoE since the AFRINIC bylaw support upto 6 members "16.2 First in first out principle will be

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] AFRINIC - Matters Arising

2016-07-12 Thread Walubengo J
@Badru, Last time I checked, the Chairman's written views were the deliberated and considered Board views  - except ofcourse when participating in Policy Development. But that may perhaps have changed with time @Alain,Your English is quite deep and concise for someone from Francophone

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Council of Elders

2016-07-12 Thread Noah
On 11 Jul 2016 21:10, "Mark Elkins" wrote: > > > > On 11/07/2016 20:02, Honest Ornella GANKPA wrote: > > Hello Nishal > > > > My curiousity was objective and as such I will still request that > > someone who speaks for the board guide me on why the former Chair > > (Mr Ntege)

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Council of Elders

2016-07-12 Thread Noah
On 12 Jul 2016 10:36, "Alan Barrett" wrote: > > > > On 11 Jul 2016, at 20:39, Honest Ornella GANKPA wrote: > > So out of curiousity, is there any reason the former Chairman of Board before the current one, is not part of the current CoE? > > I will

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Council of Elders

2016-07-12 Thread Alan Barrett
> On 11 Jul 2016, at 20:39, Honest Ornella GANKPA wrote: > So out of curiousity, is there any reason the former Chairman of Board before > the current one, is not part of the current CoE? I will not comment on that. > Because from the AFRINIC website link below, I dont