Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016

[Badru Ntege]

Janvier

Please stop sowing the seed of division. Asking questions in an open and 
transparent community is perfectly ok.

Whether ASO or board one is always  still a stakeholder.

Regards

Sent from my iPhone

On 18 Jun 2017, at 16:05, Janvier NGNOULAYE 
> wrote:

Dear Noah,
Just to advice you to come down, for some requests you can send an Inbox mail 
to CEO or Chair not to the Community list. You are an ASO member now for 
AFRINIC. This means that you are among the leaders team of AFRINIC. Keep united 
with the team please.
Warm regards
Janvier Ngnoulaye


Le 18 juin 2017 09:35, "Noah" > a écrit :


On 18 Jun 2017 11:22 a.m., "Alan Barrett" 
> wrote:

> On 18 Jun 2017, at 11:56, Marcus K. G. Adomey 
> > wrote:
>
> Hi Alan,
>
> Excuse me, the community is there to make a fuss about issues of transparency 
> and accountability.

Yes, you are.  And in response, I am seeking legal advice about whether or not 
to publish the names of closed members.  Please be patient.


Hi Alan

You clearly did not inform the Community about your decision not to publish the 
list of closed members after 2014?

So while you are seeking legal advice on your two years old decision, can you 
please respond to the other 3 questions below?

1. How many members have been closed in 2015,2016 and 2017?

2. How much ressources have been recovered since?

3. Where are the recovered ressources listed in Afrinic pool of ressources?


Noah



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Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016

[Noah]

On 18 Jun 2017 10:10 p.m., "Janvier NGNOULAYE"  wrote:

I just wanted to remind him that he has a double hat now, he can ask some
questions Inbox to the Chair or the CEO to build his knowledge base as a
new comer into the leaders team.


Janvier,

New comer to what ? How can you be this clueless considering you are a
former board member. Like i said, you are clearly mis-informed.  So I
should not ask questions I deem relevant to this community because of some
so called double hat, whatever that means!

I promised to work for the best interest of the AFRINIC community and that
is what I will continue to do.

Mine is to represent the interest of AFRINIC and its mandate and part of it
includes holding each other accountable to those we serve (the community
and membership).

Do yourself a favour and go back to the genesis of this thread and you will
realise the entire discussion started with me asking questions ref: the
2016 financial statements which have led us here. This was before the
community elected me to the ASO seat and shall continue because I am a
believer of accountability and transparency when it comes to dealing with
public matters.

You seem to be the only one who prefers secrecy and some exclusive club way
of doing things yet this are issues of public interest. AFRINIC is not
someone's private company, its a Not-For-Profit organisation in existance
to serve the AFRICAN community by distributing number resources and
maintaining the database.

I didnt have to send the CEO some private email to seek answers yet he has
promised to get back to me and this is how things are done Janvier.

As such, I refuse your misguided advice and I will wait for the CEO's
response to the questions I seek answers too.

Noah
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Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016

[Janvier NGNOULAYE]

Dear Omo,
You must note that I am silent on the discussion in progress.
I am very sorry that you read my view in the wrong way here.
I am reproaching Noah's method and not the problem that he has raised
though relevant. I just wanted to remind him that he has a double hat now,
he can ask some questions Inbox to the Chair or the CEO to build his
knowledge base as a new comer into the leaders team.  Anyway, it was just
an advice to him.
Nice end of weekend.
/Janvier

2017-06-18 14:06 GMT+01:00 Omo Oaiya :

> Not exactly sure what you mean by this Janvier.  Sounds very much like do
> not point out any discrepancies since you are part of the team.  I don’t
> think that’s helpful.  Do you have an opinion on the matter being discussed?
>
> I think for accountability and transparency, AfriNic should make these
> information available.  I don’t see any privacy issues.
>
> Omo
>
> On 18 Jun 2017, at 15:02, Janvier NGNOULAYE  wrote:
>
> Dear Noah,
> Just to advice you to come down, for some requests you can send an Inbox
> mail to CEO or Chair not to the Community list. You are an ASO member now
> for AFRINIC. This means that you are among the leaders team of AFRINIC.
> Keep united with the team please.
> Warm regards
> Janvier Ngnoulaye
>
>
> Le 18 juin 2017 09:35, "Noah"  a écrit :
>
>>
>>
>> On 18 Jun 2017 11:22 a.m., "Alan Barrett" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> > On 18 Jun 2017, at 11:56, Marcus K. G. Adomey 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Alan,
>> >
>> > Excuse me, the community is there to make a fuss about issues of
>> transparency and accountability.
>>
>> Yes, you are.  And in response, I am seeking legal advice about whether
>> or not to publish the names of closed members.  Please be patient.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Alan
>>
>> You clearly did not inform the Community about your decision not to
>> publish the list of closed members after 2014?
>>
>> So while you are seeking legal advice on your two years old decision, can
>> you please respond to the other 3 questions below?
>>
>> 1. How many members have been closed in 2015,2016 and 2017?
>>
>> 2. How much ressources have been recovered since?
>>
>> 3. Where are the recovered ressources listed in Afrinic pool of
>> ressources?
>>
>>
>> Noah
>>
>>
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Re: [Community-Discuss] plea for increase participation in v6ops/IETF

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Same here...


On 17/06/2017 12:05, Mark Elkins wrote:
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> The current discussion are about what should a Home Router do (DHCPv6,
> DNS - etc).
> I am currently silent though - just reading what others say, following
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Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016

[Noah]

On 18 Jun 2017 4:02 p.m., "Janvier NGNOULAYE"  wrote:

Dear Noah,
Just to advice you to come down, for some requests you can send an Inbox
mail to CEO or Chair not to the Community list.


Janvier

You are clearly misinformed. Privacy ...privacy.privacy...privacy
 everywhere.We are dealing with public matters for goodness sake.


You are an ASO member now for AFRINIC. This means that you are among the
leaders team of AFRINIC.


Accountability is part of leadership and I doubt you know anything about
that.

Noah
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Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016

[abel ELITCHA]

Dear Alan,
Thank you for your replies.  The community is interested and should know
who has right to use INRs and whose rights have ended.  We are not
interested  in the reasons of termination of these rights.

Ability to publicly track history of right to use of INRs is very
important.  We will welcome  AFRINIC  working  on a "whowas project" as in
APNIC(*).

Regards,

(*) https://www.apnic.net/about-apnic/whois_search/whowas/


2017-06-18 8:37 GMT+00:00 Alan Barrett :

>
> > On 18 Jun 2017, at 12:35, Noah  wrote:
> > So while you are seeking legal advice on your two years old decision,
> can you please respond to the other 3 questions below?
> >
> > 1. How many members have been closed in 2015,2016 and 2017?
> >
> > 2. How much ressources have been recovered since?
> >
> > 3. Where are the recovered ressources listed in Afrinic pool of
> ressources?
>
> Please be patient.  I said that I would find out.
>
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Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016

[Alan Barrett]

> On 18 Jun 2017, at 12:35, Noah  wrote:
> So while you are seeking legal advice on your two years old decision, can you 
> please respond to the other 3 questions below?
> 
> 1. How many members have been closed in 2015,2016 and 2017?
> 
> 2. How much ressources have been recovered since?
> 
> 3. Where are the recovered ressources listed in Afrinic pool of ressources?

Please be patient.  I said that I would find out.

Alan Barrett
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Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016

[Noah]

On 18 Jun 2017 11:22 a.m., "Alan Barrett"  wrote:


> On 18 Jun 2017, at 11:56, Marcus K. G. Adomey  wrote:
>
> Hi Alan,
>
> Excuse me, the community is there to make a fuss about issues of
transparency and accountability.

Yes, you are.  And in response, I am seeking legal advice about whether or
not to publish the names of closed members.  Please be patient.



Hi Alan

You clearly did not inform the Community about your decision not to publish
the list of closed members after 2014?

So while you are seeking legal advice on your two years old decision, can
you please respond to the other 3 questions below?

1. How many members have been closed in 2015,2016 and 2017?

2. How much ressources have been recovered since?

3. Where are the recovered ressources listed in Afrinic pool of ressources?


Noah
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Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016

[Sunday Folayan]

Lets be fair, does that also automatically terminate their membership of
the community?

I think Alan should not have used the word fuss.

Sunday.

On Jun 18, 2017 08:57, "Marcus K. G. Adomey"  wrote:

> Hi Alan,
>
>
>
> Excuse me, the community is there to make a fuss about issues of
> transparency and accountability. That is part of the community role and
> Public resources must be accounted for publicly and closed member simply
> means termination of rights to use the INR allocated/assigned.
>
>
>
>
> Marcus
>
> --
> *From:* Alan Barrett 
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 18, 2017 6:22:16 AM
> *To:* General Discussions of AFRINIC
> *Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements
> 2016
>
>
> > On 18 Jun 2017, at 10:12, Marcus K. G. Adomey 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Sunday
> >
> > Truebut like Noah says, the list was published till 2014 so it is
> curious that we need to seek legal advice now.
>
> That’s very simple.  Up to 2014, I was not involved.  In 2015, I was asked
> whether or not to publish the list, and I said no, for privacy reasons.
>
> Now that there’s a fuss about it, I am seeking legal advice.
>
> It would be helpful if the people who want the list to be published could
> explain why.  What benefit do you obtain from being able to read a list of
> ex-members whose membership of AFRINCI has been terminated?
>
> Alan Barrett
>
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Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016 (off-topic)

[sm+afrinic]

Hi Ali,
At 22:39 16-06-2017, Ali Hussein wrote:
If the above is correct then basically what McTim is suggesting is 
akin to saying you can only use roads or contribute to governance 
issues if you pay your taxes? :-)


I read the message [1] sent by McTim and what I understood from it is 
different from what is written above.


Regards,
S. Moonesamy

1. https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/community-discuss/2017-June/001495.html 



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Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016

[Marcus K. G. Adomey]

Hi Sunday

Truebut like Noah says, the list was published till 2014 so it is curious 
that we need to seek legal advice now.

One would assume that it would have aready have been sought to stop publishing 
so readily available but I also look forward to the CEO's feedback.


Marcus



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From: Sunday Folayan 
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 6:57:37 PM
To: Boubakar Barry; Alan Barrett
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Annual Financial Statements 2016

Gentlemen,

On 17/06/2017 16:00, Boubakar Barry wrote:

On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Alan Barrett 
> wrote:

> On 17 Jun 2017, at 18:07, Noah > wrote:
> Let me ask this differently perhaps I will get a clear answer.
>
> Ref: Defaulted members:  how much recovered space from 2015, 2016 and 2017 
> and where are these recovered  ressoutces?

I’ll find out.  I don’t see a privacy concern in reporting the total amount of 
recovered space.

> You are concerned about closed member privacy yet this is public information, 
>  how many  members have since closed?

As I said, I am seeking legal advice on whether or not information about closed 
memebrs may be published.

In my opinion, there shouldn't be a privacy issue in providing the _number_ of 
members resources have been recovered from; exactly as for the amount of 
recovered space. Is legal advice really needed for this?

The CEO did not say that he cannot provide the __number__ of members. Indeed he 
said he is working  on that.

in his words ..  "I’ll find out. I don’t see a privacy concern in reporting the 
total amount of recovered space".

He is however reported he is seeking legal advise regarding publishing the 
__LIST__

Sunday.
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