Re: [Community-Discuss] Correction to my previous email

Paul Hjul has posted to this mailing list a number of well-reasoned and eloquently articulated arguments that are more than sensible, and with which I agree wholeheartedly. The quotes below are not among them. In message Paul Hjul wrote: >Hopefully the Board and management will quickly >make

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update on legal case

Hi Ronald, I disagree. At a minimum they were against the equivalent to the GDPR in Mauritius, as they used information collected from whois, mail exploders, etc., for a different purpose that the one agreed. I can publish my email and phone in any public mailing list (or whois), but you need

Re: [Community-Discuss] Share About Cloud Innovation Ltd and their business

In message , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: >Ronald is very right. Jordi, you say that almost as if there could ever have been any doubt! :-) Anyway, there has been a lot of heat and backbiting and diversions and (in my opinion) uncalled for veiled innuendo in and on the mailing lists of late,

Re: [Community-Discuss] Correction to my previous email

> > Ahahahahahah, tu peux penser ce que tu veux, nous on soutient notre Board et > le Staff dans leur effort pour sortir notre organisation de cette situation > dans laquelle ton employeur tente de la mettre à mal. I will ignore your other mostly content free comments, but I wish to point out

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update on legal case

> On Jul 27, 2021, at 23:31 , Noah wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 6:43 PM Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss > mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net>> wrote: > > >> On Jul 27, 2021, at 00:35, Omo Oaiya > > wrote: >> >>  >> >>> On 27 Jul 2021, at

Re: [Community-Discuss] Share About Cloud Innovation Ltd and their business

> On Jul 28, 2021, at 16:57 , Arnaud AMELINA wrote: > > > > And given what we now know... largely due to my work... about all of the > funny business that occurred at AFRINIC between, say, 2010 and February, > 2015... the same time period when much or all of "The Great AFRINIC Heist" >

Re: [Community-Discuss] Share About Cloud Innovation Ltd and their business

> On Jul 28, 2021, at 14:43 , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss > wrote: > > Ronald is very right. > > How that can be possible? By no longer relevant, I mean it does not apply to the current business environment and business model under which Cloud Innovation currently operates.

Re: [Community-Discuss] Correction to my previous email

Le mer. 28 juil. 2021 à 22:54, Paul Hjul a écrit : > Dear Members, >> In times of uncertainty and misinformation even the smallest detail can >> be used to confuse and disrupt even further. >> I do not want to contribute to the confusion so allow me to try again to >> convey a more accurate

Re: [Community-Discuss] Share About Cloud Innovation Ltd and their business

> On Jul 28, 2021, at 14:40 , Noah wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 8:28 AM Owen DeLong > wrote: >> On Jul 26, 2021, at 04:01 , Noah mailto:n...@neo.co.tz>> >> wrote: >> >> On Sun, 25 Jul 2021, 19:32 Leo S, > > wrote: >> >> The

Re: [Community-Discuss] Share About Cloud Innovation Ltd and their business

> On Jul 28, 2021, at 14:25 , Ronald F. Guilmette > wrote: > > In message , > Owen DeLong wrote: > >> We have already agreed that the original justification is no longer relevant > > What is this "we" Owen? Is that the royal "we"? Because *I* certainly > have no recollection that *I*

Re: [Community-Discuss] Correction to my previous email

> On Jul 28, 2021, at 15:51 , Paul Hjul wrote: > > Dear Members, > In times of uncertainty and misinformation even the smallest detail can be > used to confuse and disrupt even further. > I do not want to contribute to the confusion so allow me to try again to > convey a more accurate

Re: [Community-Discuss] Update on legal case

> On Jul 28, 2021, at 00:49 , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss > wrote: > > Very good observations Paul. > > My doubt here is if there was sufficient evidence for a “real disk of > dissipation”. I doubt AFRINIC is such kind of organization where the Board > can take the risk of

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update on legal case

In message , DANIEL NANGHAKA wrote: >I will be so kind to say that following the various threads, I do not want >to make an unnecessary judgement but instead of building on the Internet >Development in Africa, Cloud Innovation Ltd came to Kill, Steal and Destroy >AFRINIC. It is not one

Re: [Community-Discuss] Share About Cloud Innovation Ltd and their business

Le mer. 28 juil. 2021 à 21:27, Ronald F. Guilmette a écrit : > In message , > Owen DeLong wrote: > > >We have already agreed that the original justification is no longer > relevant > > What is this "we" Owen? Is that the royal "we"? Because *I* certainly > have no recollection that *I* ever

[Community-Discuss] Correction to my previous email

> > Dear Members, > In times of uncertainty and misinformation even the smallest detail can be > used to confuse and disrupt even further. > I do not want to contribute to the confusion so allow me to try again to > convey a more accurate message. > Yesterday, while shooting the video with the

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update on legal case

In message , Noah wrote: >In the last board elections where Elkins defeated Paul Wolner, there were >multiple resource members who received phone calls from HongKong asking >them to vote for Wolner. In my view, these allegations were never proven, and even if they were, so what? Unless such

Re: [Community-Discuss] Share About Cloud Innovation Ltd and their business

Ronald is very right. How that can be possible? Of course, the original justification is *extremely relevant*. Was it done properly and in good faith? Was it properly checked by the staff? Was the relevant staff doing correctly his/her job? Is that justification still valid, or if the

Re: [Community-Discuss] Share About Cloud Innovation Ltd and their business

On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 8:28 AM Owen DeLong wrote: > On Jul 26, 2021, at 04:01 , Noah wrote: > > On Sun, 25 Jul 2021, 19:32 Leo S, wrote: > >> >> The current situation poses risks to users who rent their IP addresses. I >> think the problem itself is AFRINIC's own problem. Who allocated 7

Re: [Community-Discuss] Share About Cloud Innovation Ltd and their business

In message , Owen DeLong wrote: >We have already agreed that the original justification is no longer relevant What is this "we" Owen? Is that the royal "we"? Because *I* certainly have no recollection that *I* ever agreed that the original justification that was used as the basis for Cloud

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update on legal case

Hi Leo Please stay on and continue to participate. Noah On Wed, 28 Jul 2021, 20:23 Leo S, wrote: > Thanks > I will be back in my life and will not waste time here. > > On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 12:21 AM AFRINIC Communication > wrote: > >> Mr Leo, >> >> Please refrain from making a personal

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update on legal case

Leo, There is no wasting time here. This is a genuine cause. I appreciate your support. Daniel On Wed, Jul 28, 2021, 8:19 PM Leo S wrote: > Thanks > I will be back in my life and will not waste time here. > > On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 12:21 AM AFRINIC Communication > wrote: > >> Mr Leo, >> >>

[Community-Discuss] Correction to my previous email

Dear Colleagues, Please see below the correction message that I have sent to members. -- Kind Regards Eddy Kayihura M. Chief Executive Officer AFRINIC Ltd. t: +230 403 51 00 | tt: @afrinic | https://www.afrinic.net | youtube.com/afrinicmedia ___ Vision: “A

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update on legal case

Thanks I will be back in my life and will not waste time here. On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 12:21 AM AFRINIC Communication wrote: > Mr Leo, > > Please refrain from making a personal attack on this mailing list. > > Please consider this email as a first warning. > > We shall be obliged to moderate

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update on legal case

Mr Leo, Please refrain from making a personal attack on this mailing list. Please consider this email as a first warning. We shall be obliged to moderate your emails should you continue with such comments. Regards, AFRINIC Communications > On 28 Jul 2021, at 15:43, Leo S wrote: > >

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update on legal case

On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 6:23 PM Andrew Alston via Community-Discuss < community-discuss@afrinic.net> wrote: > Code of conduct call again - this mail is blatantly libelous > How exactly? Is AFRINIC a warm-body? Noah ___ Community-Discuss mailing list

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update on legal case

Code of conduct call again - this mail is blatantly libelous Andrew Get Outlook for iOS From: DANIEL NANGHAKA Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2021 17:06 To: Leo S Cc: Community Discuss Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update on

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update on legal case

Code of conduct - this message implies corruption that is unproved on the part of both CI and previous management. Can we stop with the unjustified attacks and mud slinging please Andrew Get Outlook for iOS From: Leo S Sent: Wednesday,

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update on legal case

I will be so kind to say that following the various threads, I do not want to make an unnecessary judgement but instead of building on the Internet Development in Africa, Cloud Innovation Ltd came to Kill, Steal and Destroy AFRINIC. On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 at 14:44, Leo S wrote: > Yes I agree It's

[Community-Discuss] Update on legal case

> > Very good observations Paul. > > > My doubt here is if there was sufficient evidence for a “real disk of > dissipation”. I doubt AFRINIC is such kind of organization where the Board > can take the risk of doing so without consulting the membership. Otherwise, > the Board could be committing

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update on legal case

Yes I agree It's just that the management of AFRINIC may have changed with previous years. Although some people in the community questioned Cloud Innovation Ltd in the past few years, AFRINIC did not take any action, but now it has taken action. Maybe Cloud Innovation Ltd did not use their money

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update on legal case

It is a political game. Hence my post of yesterday. This is a wider conversation about African Internet Resources and who controls them. Let's be very careful not to be looped into non-issues. The MOST IMPORTANT conversation we MUST have is this:- 1. Who controls AFRINIC today. 2. Who will

Re: [Community-Discuss] Update on legal case

Very good observations Paul. My doubt here is if there was sufficient evidence for a “real disk of dissipation”. I doubt AFRINIC is such kind of organization where the Board can take the risk of doing so without consulting the membership. Otherwise, the Board could be committing presumable

[Community-Discuss] Update on legal case

I am not sure I understand why the reaction being given by so many people is to question or criticize the courts of Mauritius, I also wonder whether they include the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council (JCPC) in this questioning of capability. No doubt the fact that Mauritius can be painted as

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update on legal case

Very funny, it looks like a political game On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 2:33 PM Noah wrote: > > > On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 6:43 PM Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss < > community-discuss@afrinic.net> wrote: > >> >> >> On Jul 27, 2021, at 00:35, Omo Oaiya wrote: >> >>  >> >> On 27 Jul 2021, at

Re: [Community-Discuss] [members-discuss] Update on legal case

On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 6:43 PM Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss < community-discuss@afrinic.net> wrote: > > > On Jul 27, 2021, at 00:35, Omo Oaiya wrote: > >  > > On 27 Jul 2021, at 07:54, Ronald F. Guilmette > wrote: > > > In any case, the data at the link above demonstrates quite

Re: [Community-Discuss] Share About Cloud Innovation Ltd and their business

Hi Owen, Not speaking about this case but in general, even not in the RIRs/Internet business (I make an equivalence in the parenthesis). When there are obligations (here bylaws, RSA, policies), for providing a service (here resources), and the information provided by the "receiving party" is