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+1  I also expect the board to release the 2014 minutes as promised in Tunis as this has taken far too long. Daniel _ From: Benjamin Eshun <benjamin.es...@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC C

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On 15 Jul 2016 18:24, "MBJ" wrote: > > Dear Alan, > One year and two years to write minutes is too much. Actually those minutes were to be published last year in August. Had they been published, we woudnt find ourselves in this Fiasco... > Thanks > Mustapha > Noah

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On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 8:26 AM, Alan Barrett wrote: > >> On 15 Jul 2016, at 02:43, Benjamin Eshun wrote: >> >> Chair Sunday, >> >> When can we the community have the transcripts of the 2014 meetings as it >> being after a 1 year, the >>

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> On 15 Jul 2016, at 02:43, Benjamin Eshun wrote: > > Chair Sunday, > > When can we the community have the transcripts of the 2014 meetings as it > being after a 1 year, the > minutes are still not published. So pls tell us know when we can expect it. Don’t

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Chair Sunday, When can we the community have the transcripts of the 2014 meetings as it being after a 1 year, the minutes are still not published. So pls tell us know when we can expect it. Benjamin On Jul 14, 2016, at 10:12 PM, ALAIN AINA wrote: { a bit late on

Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Council of Elders

On 14 Jul 2016 18:56, "Owen DeLong" wrote: > > > > On Jul 14, 2016, at 07:34 , Alan Barrett wrote: > > > > > > I think Noah meant something like “I will soon post some reminders on the mailing lists”. Subsequent to that message, he did in fact post

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> On Jul 14, 2016, at 09:07 , Marcus K. G. Adomey wrote: > > Dear Owen, > > > And once again, a vague unverifiable and thus unsubstantiated claim. > > Are you saying that you have never seen any reminder on this mailing list > because of unanswered question? > > Well

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saying the Board only need to reach out to the Community when elections are due and turn around to say the Board can do as we wish? Cheers!!! Marcus From: o...@delong.com Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 07:18:32 -0700 To: community-discuss@afrinic.net Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Council of Eld

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> On Jul 13, 2016, at 13:26 , Noah wrote: > > > On 13 Jul 2016 22:46, "Owen DeLong" > wrote: > > > > Mark’s clarification is exactly what I was referring to when I said that I > > believed the board had adequate reasons not to place

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: john.ngw...@unn.edu.ng To: community-discuss@afrinic.net Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Council of Elders I believe we all are learned people. I wonder while we are still discussing this issue even after the assurance of the Chair that the board will treat this during their next meeting

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Dear John, The discussion continues because a simple inquiry on a selection process is deemed "micromanagement" and gets (some) people on the defensive. An issue was brought up to the board's attention but now the thread was derailed into questionning the character of Mr Ntege. If people can give

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On 13 Jul 2016 22:46, "Owen DeLong" wrote: > > Mark’s clarification is exactly what I was referring to when I said that I > believed the board had adequate reasons not to place Badrue on the CoE. > > Ya'all need to stop being subjective... Elkins, Owen. You are all so

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Mark’s clarification is exactly what I was referring to when I said that I believed the board had adequate reasons not to place Badrue on the CoE. I wasn’t on the board, but I was present at the Tunis meeting. Owen > On Jul 13, 2016, at 10:11 , Timothy Ola Akinfenwa >

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Mr Elkins You would like to drag the community back that's your point. You know very well my position. You can also choose to go personal. I'm way above that level of petty thinking. I'm curious that a particular grouping has taken it to themselves to justify and defend the actions of

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+1 Mark. This clarification was indeed necessary. ​ On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 5:54 PM, Mark Elkins wrote: > Badru stopped being the Chair of AFRINIC at the last Mauritius meeting. > > Badru left the Board over a year ago in Tunisia. He resigned after the > Board had an impromptu

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Message From: Mark Elkins Sent: Wednesday, 13 July 2016 19:58 To: community-discuss@afrinic.net Reply To: m...@posix.co.za Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Council of Elders Badru stopped being the Chair of AFRINIC at the last Mauritius meeting. Badru left the Board over a year ago in Tunisia

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Badru stopped being the Chair of AFRINIC at the last Mauritius meeting. Badru left the Board over a year ago in Tunisia. He resigned after the Board had an impromptu meeting on stage during the meeting. I believe that one can guess he was asked to resign by the Board. There were a number of ugly

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we can't solve everything in constitution. We will need Implementation guidelines, policies etc... and if there is still residual confusion, consensus approach shall prevail Regards Le 13 juil. 2016 10:25, "Nishal Goburdhan" a écrit : > > On 13 Jul 2016, at 11:30,

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On 13 Jul 2016, at 7:12, Omo Oaiya wrote: On 12 July 2016 at 20:45, Nishal Goburdhan wrote: really omo? that’s hardly sporting of you. because an interpretation does not match your own, does *not* make that interpretation incorrect. i’m simply giving you (this

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we hope will accord > former chairs due respect for sacrifices > > I hope this time the report of the chair will not display the syndrome of > “sweep under carpet”. > > Thank you, > > > Marcus > > > > > From: evelyng...@gmail.com > Date: We

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Owen, Is my claim nonsensical or are you being presumptuous in your assumption that there is no discrimination going on? You can trust that I do not make unsubstantiated claims. Irrespective of board discretion, it is not in spirit of community for such delay with no apology for being casual

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On 12 July 2016 at 20:45, Nishal Goburdhan wrote: > > Any other interpretation is disingenuous. >> > > really omo? that’s hardly sporting of you. because an interpretation does not match your own, does *not* make that > interpretation incorrect. > i’m simply giving

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On 12 July 2016 at 21:03, Mike Silber wrote: > Nishal +1 > > Maybe a hypothetical if I may: what if a former Chairperson were to pass, > or to be unable or unwilling to serve on the CoE, or even if they were to > be convicted of an offense after their term that would

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+1 I agree with Owen. Since the chair Sunday has assured us that this matter will be treated by the board in their next meeting. We have confidence in the board members, that is why we voted them. So we have to trust them on this, knowing that what ever decision they will arrive at will be in the

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Having looked at this from several angles, I think I see the source of confusion… Section 16 in its entirety reads: 16 THE COUNCIL OF ELDERS There shall be a Council of Elders appointed by the Board comprising a maximum of six (6) former chairpersons of AFRINIC who have left the Board. Their

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./All, Just out of curiosity, have all former chairpersons served on the CoE with Badru being the exception? (This is regardless of whether it is automatic or otherwise) If the answer is yes - What criteria does the board use to deem a former chair worthy of a sit on the CoE? On Tue, Jul 12,

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Nishal +1 Maybe a hypothetical if I may: what if a former Chairperson were to pass, or to be unable or unwilling to serve on the CoE, or even if they were to be convicted of an offense after their term that would disqualify them as a director. I don't think the community would want an unable

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On 12 Jul 2016, at 13:26, Omo Oaiya wrote: Let's get off this micromanagement train. yes indeed, let’s! "There shall be a Council of Elders appointed by the Board comprising a maximum of six (6) former chairpersons of AFRINIC who have left the Board. Their advisory role is commensurate

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> On 12 July 2016 at 12:04, Nishal Goburdhan wrote: >> >> On 12 Jul 2016, at 11:32, Honest Ornella GANKPA wrote: >> > Hi @Ornella and @Nishal >> >>> then on which criteria are the elders >>> selected? What is the process of selection ? >> >> >> the bylaws do not

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On 12 Jul 2016, at 11:32, Honest Ornella GANKPA wrote: Hello Nishal If the position is not automatic, in reading the text, this does appear to be the case. then on which criteria are the elders selected? What is the process of selection ? the bylaws do not specify. just like how they

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Hello Nishal My comments are inline 2016-07-11 18:36 GMT+01:00 Nishal Goburdhan : > On 11 Jul 2016, at 18:39, Honest Ornella GANKPA wrote: > > and it seems that automatically every former chair become part of the CoE. >>

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My personal opinion on this is; Going forward this should be address since it is clearly stated in the AFRINIC bylaw. Mr. Ntege served as the Chair, so i support the motion of including him as one of the CoE since the AFRINIC bylaw support upto 6 members "16.2 First in first out principle will be

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On 11 Jul 2016 21:10, "Mark Elkins" wrote: > > > > On 11/07/2016 20:02, Honest Ornella GANKPA wrote: > > Hello Nishal > > > > My curiousity was objective and as such I will still request that > > someone who speaks for the board guide me on why the former Chair > > (Mr Ntege)

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On 12 Jul 2016 10:36, "Alan Barrett" wrote: > > > > On 11 Jul 2016, at 20:39, Honest Ornella GANKPA wrote: > > So out of curiousity, is there any reason the former Chairman of Board before the current one, is not part of the current CoE? > > I will

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> On 11 Jul 2016, at 20:39, Honest Ornella GANKPA wrote: > So out of curiousity, is there any reason the former Chairman of Board before > the current one, is not part of the current CoE? I will not comment on that. > Because from the AFRINIC website link below, I dont

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speaker to understand that? i don’t purport to understand anyone, other than myself. From: nis...@controlfreak.co.za To: community-discuss@afrinic.net Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 19:36:44 +0200 Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Council of Elders On 11 Jul 2016, at 18:39, Honest Ornella

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:44 +0200 > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Council of Elders > > On 11 Jul 2016, at 18:39, Honest Ornella GANKPA wrote: > > > and it seems that automatically every former chair become part of the > > CoE. > > http://afrinic.net/en/about/our-structure/council-of

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On 11/07/2016 20:02, Honest Ornella GANKPA wrote: > Hello Nishal > > My curiousity was objective and as such I will still request that > someone who speaks for the board guide me on why the former Chair > (Mr Ntege) was not appointed to the CoE.? I believe it to be an honorary position. >

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Hello Nishal My curiousity was objective and as such I will still request that someone who speaks for the board guide me on why the former Chair (Mr Ntege) was not appointed to the CoE.? Honest Ornella GANKPA Network engineer 2016-07-11 18:36 GMT+01:00 Nishal Goburdhan

[Community-Discuss] AFRINIC Council of Elders

To Chair / CEO of AFRINIC, >From the Strategic Plan shared, I see that the CoE were part of those who worked on the same in 2014. So I went through and read about the CoE and it is apparent that, the Council of Elders was created by the new Bylaws adopted in January 2013. So out of curiousity,