Re: [Community-Discuss] [apnic-talk]Re: [arin-ppml] Update on Litigation Between AFRINIC and Cloud Innovation ltd
The puppets are so many and seek attention. I just see a bunch of distractors and attention seekers. On Sat, Jan 1, 2022, 3:21 PM Barry Macharia via Community-Discuss < community-discuss@afrinic.net> wrote: > Elvis , > So , if its only( you and some imaginary people )that finds it offensive, > the whole community should acknowledge and act on it right > > snap out of it > > Barry - Resource Holder > > > > > On 1 Jan 2022, at 14:45, Ibeanusi Elvis wrote: > > > Barry, > > As I earlier stated, offensive to me. > > Regards, > Elvis. > > On Sat, Jan 1, 2022 at 18:36 Barry Macharia wrote: > >> Elvis , >> >> Offensive to who ? >> >> >> Barry >> > On 1 Jan 2022, at 09:27, Ibeanusi Elvis >> wrote: >> > >> > Indeed Ronald’s statements were offensive and defamatory. Which >> violates the AFRINIC Code of Conduct in section B; 2, 3 and 4. >> > To be exact, his statement against me referring to me as IGNORANT >> > >> > "Sockpuppetry is not an "ideology". It is a well-established fact >> of life >> > on the modern Internet, just as "astroturfing" is in real life. >> If you >> > don't know that then it is because either you are ignorant or else >> it is >> > because you are pretending to be ignorant” >> > >> > Additionally, defamatory as he infers that the people in the community >> are not “REAL PEOPLE”. >> > The community is of course open-minded to criticism, we are not always >> going to agree with each other but we can be and have opposite perspectives >> but I believe there are better ways to disagree than being offensive, >> defamatory, and violating the Code of Conduct. >> > >> > Best regards, >> > Elvis. >> > >> >> On Dec 31, 2021, at 23:36, Frank Habicht wrote: >> >> >> >>> On 31/12/2021 16:45, Cheken Chetty wrote: >> >>> Good day all, chairs, >> >>> I would like to call out a violation of the Code of Conduct by >> Ronald. His statements are clearly against section B, numbers 2, 3 and 4 >> within the AFRINIC code of conduct. His actions and statements are >> defamatory and quite offensive. >> >>> Regards >> >> >> >> Hi Cheken Chetty, >> >> >> >> Please assist to state any affiliation of concern you have and assist >> to clarify : >> >> - who is defamed >> >> - who is offended >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Frank >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> >> Community-Discuss@afrinic.net >> >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > Community-Discuss mailing list >> > Community-Discuss@afrinic.net >> > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> > ___ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss@afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] [apnic-talk]Re: [arin-ppml] Update on Litigation Between AFRINIC and Cloud Innovation ltd
Elvis , So , if its only( you and some imaginary people )that finds it offensive, the whole community should acknowledge and act on it right snap out of it Barry - Resource Holder > On 1 Jan 2022, at 14:45, Ibeanusi Elvis wrote: > > > Barry, > > As I earlier stated, offensive to me. > > Regards, > Elvis. > >> On Sat, Jan 1, 2022 at 18:36 Barry Macharia wrote: >> Elvis , >> >> Offensive to who ? >> >> >> Barry >> > On 1 Jan 2022, at 09:27, Ibeanusi Elvis wrote: >> > >> > Indeed Ronald’s statements were offensive and defamatory. Which violates >> > the AFRINIC Code of Conduct in section B; 2, 3 and 4. >> > To be exact, his statement against me referring to me as IGNORANT >> > >> > "Sockpuppetry is not an "ideology". It is a well-established fact of >> > life >> > on the modern Internet, just as "astroturfing" is in real life. If >> > you >> > don't know that then it is because either you are ignorant or else it >> > is >> > because you are pretending to be ignorant” >> > >> > Additionally, defamatory as he infers that the people in the community are >> > not “REAL PEOPLE”. >> > The community is of course open-minded to criticism, we are not always >> > going to agree with each other but we can be and have opposite >> > perspectives but I believe there are better ways to disagree than being >> > offensive, defamatory, and violating the Code of Conduct. >> > >> > Best regards, >> > Elvis. >> > >> >> On Dec 31, 2021, at 23:36, Frank Habicht wrote: >> >> >> >>> On 31/12/2021 16:45, Cheken Chetty wrote: >> >>> Good day all, chairs, >> >>> I would like to call out a violation of the Code of Conduct by Ronald. >> >>> His statements are clearly against section B, numbers 2, 3 and 4 within >> >>> the AFRINIC code of conduct. His actions and statements are defamatory >> >>> and quite offensive. >> >>> Regards >> >> >> >> Hi Cheken Chetty, >> >> >> >> Please assist to state any affiliation of concern you have and assist to >> >> clarify : >> >> - who is defamed >> >> - who is offended >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Frank >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> >> Community-Discuss@afrinic.net >> >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > Community-Discuss mailing list >> > Community-Discuss@afrinic.net >> > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] [apnic-talk]Re: [arin-ppml] Update on Litigation Between AFRINIC and Cloud Innovation ltd
On Sat, 1 Jan 2022, 14:50 Ibeanusi Elvis, wrote: > Barry, > > As I earlier stated, offensive to me. > No dude, Ignorance is not an offence. Ignorance is lack of awareness or knowledge about something. Something close to stupidity. RFG stated that you are either ignorant or pretending to be ignorant of "sockpuppets and astroturfing" You were lamenting about sockpuppets being called out and Ronny responded inline with your concerns. If people are real, its important for them to introduce themselves and atleast state their affiliation to avoid being thought for as sockpuppets especially when posting from gmail.com addresses. Are you saying that being referred to as ignorant or pretending to be ignorant is an offence? I am sometimes ignorant of things and I have been told as such and I didn't find being told that I am stupid and being made aware as an act of offense. Its education. Noah ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] [apnic-talk]Re: [arin-ppml] Update on Litigation Between AFRINIC and Cloud Innovation ltd
Barry, As I earlier stated, offensive to me. Regards, Elvis. On Sat, Jan 1, 2022 at 18:36 Barry Macharia wrote: > Elvis , > > Offensive to who ? > > > Barry > > On 1 Jan 2022, at 09:27, Ibeanusi Elvis wrote: > > > > Indeed Ronald’s statements were offensive and defamatory. Which > violates the AFRINIC Code of Conduct in section B; 2, 3 and 4. > > To be exact, his statement against me referring to me as IGNORANT > > > > "Sockpuppetry is not an "ideology". It is a well-established fact > of life > > on the modern Internet, just as "astroturfing" is in real life. If > you > > don't know that then it is because either you are ignorant or else > it is > > because you are pretending to be ignorant” > > > > Additionally, defamatory as he infers that the people in the community > are not “REAL PEOPLE”. > > The community is of course open-minded to criticism, we are not always > going to agree with each other but we can be and have opposite perspectives > but I believe there are better ways to disagree than being offensive, > defamatory, and violating the Code of Conduct. > > > > Best regards, > > Elvis. > > > >> On Dec 31, 2021, at 23:36, Frank Habicht wrote: > >> > >>> On 31/12/2021 16:45, Cheken Chetty wrote: > >>> Good day all, chairs, > >>> I would like to call out a violation of the Code of Conduct by Ronald. > His statements are clearly against section B, numbers 2, 3 and 4 within the > AFRINIC code of conduct. His actions and statements are defamatory and > quite offensive. > >>> Regards > >> > >> Hi Cheken Chetty, > >> > >> Please assist to state any affiliation of concern you have and assist > to clarify : > >> - who is defamed > >> - who is offended > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Frank > >> > >> ___ > >> Community-Discuss mailing list > >> Community-Discuss@afrinic.net > >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > > > > ___ > > Community-Discuss mailing list > > Community-Discuss@afrinic.net > > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] [apnic-talk]Re: [arin-ppml] Update on Litigation Between AFRINIC and Cloud Innovation ltd
Elvis , Offensive to who ? Barry > On 1 Jan 2022, at 09:27, Ibeanusi Elvis wrote: > > Indeed Ronald’s statements were offensive and defamatory. Which violates the > AFRINIC Code of Conduct in section B; 2, 3 and 4. > To be exact, his statement against me referring to me as IGNORANT > > "Sockpuppetry is not an "ideology". It is a well-established fact of > life > on the modern Internet, just as "astroturfing" is in real life. If you > don't know that then it is because either you are ignorant or else it is > because you are pretending to be ignorant” > > Additionally, defamatory as he infers that the people in the community are > not “REAL PEOPLE”. > The community is of course open-minded to criticism, we are not always going > to agree with each other but we can be and have opposite perspectives but I > believe there are better ways to disagree than being offensive, defamatory, > and violating the Code of Conduct. > > Best regards, > Elvis. > >> On Dec 31, 2021, at 23:36, Frank Habicht wrote: >> >>> On 31/12/2021 16:45, Cheken Chetty wrote: >>> Good day all, chairs, >>> I would like to call out a violation of the Code of Conduct by Ronald. His >>> statements are clearly against section B, numbers 2, 3 and 4 within the >>> AFRINIC code of conduct. His actions and statements are defamatory and >>> quite offensive. >>> Regards >> >> Hi Cheken Chetty, >> >> Please assist to state any affiliation of concern you have and assist to >> clarify : >> - who is defamed >> - who is offended >> >> Thanks, >> Frank >> >> ___ >> Community-Discuss mailing list >> Community-Discuss@afrinic.net >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > > ___ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss@afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] [apnic-talk]Re: [arin-ppml] Update on Litigation Between AFRINIC and Cloud Innovation ltd
Indeed Ronald’s statements were offensive and defamatory. Which violates the AFRINIC Code of Conduct in section B; 2, 3 and 4. To be exact, his statement against me referring to me as IGNORANT "Sockpuppetry is not an "ideology". It is a well-established fact of life on the modern Internet, just as "astroturfing" is in real life. If you don't know that then it is because either you are ignorant or else it is because you are pretending to be ignorant” Additionally, defamatory as he infers that the people in the community are not “REAL PEOPLE”. The community is of course open-minded to criticism, we are not always going to agree with each other but we can be and have opposite perspectives but I believe there are better ways to disagree than being offensive, defamatory, and violating the Code of Conduct. Best regards, Elvis. > On Dec 31, 2021, at 23:36, Frank Habicht wrote: > > On 31/12/2021 16:45, Cheken Chetty wrote: >> Good day all, chairs, >> I would like to call out a violation of the Code of Conduct by Ronald. His >> statements are clearly against section B, numbers 2, 3 and 4 within the >> AFRINIC code of conduct. His actions and statements are defamatory and quite >> offensive. >> Regards > > Hi Cheken Chetty, > > Please assist to state any affiliation of concern you have and assist to > clarify : > - who is defamed > - who is offended > > Thanks, > Frank > > ___ > Community-Discuss mailing list > Community-Discuss@afrinic.net > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] [apnic-talk]Re: [arin-ppml] Update on Litigation Between AFRINIC and Cloud Innovation ltd
On 31/12/2021 16:45, Cheken Chetty wrote: Good day all, chairs, I would like to call out a violation of the Code of Conduct by Ronald. His statements are clearly against section B, numbers 2, 3 and 4 within the AFRINIC code of conduct. His actions and statements are defamatory and quite offensive. Regards Hi Cheken Chetty, Please assist to state any affiliation of concern you have and assist to clarify : - who is defamed - who is offended Thanks, Frank ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
Re: [Community-Discuss] [apnic-talk]Re: [arin-ppml] Update on Litigation Between AFRINIC and Cloud Innovation ltd
Good day all, chairs, I would like to call out a violation of the Code of Conduct by Ronald. His statements are clearly against section B, numbers 2, 3 and 4 within the AFRINIC code of conduct. His actions and statements are defamatory and quite offensive. Regards On Fri, Dec 31, 2021 at 6:15 AM Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > In message blyrvw01c2mkm...@mail.gmail.com> > Ibeanusi Elvis wrote: > > >This "sockpuppet" ideology and terminology that has become an excessively > >overused irrelevant term in this mailing list. What is wrong with sharing > a > >link of interest or a link that a member consider relevant to him/herself. > >Freedom of expression is always promoted in this community as long as it > >does not go out of line. Members of this community including the AFRINIC > >organization itself always share updates and links; never have it been > >considered an act of being a "Sockpuppet". Lets stop throwing words around > >in this community mailing list and create unwanted confusion. > > Sockpuppetry is not an "ideology". It is a well-established fact of life > on the modern Internet, just as "astroturfing" is in real life. If you > don't know that then it is because either you are ignorant or else it is > because you are pretending to be ignorant. > > The poster in question is using and was using a fradulent name together > with > an essentially anonymous gmail account. The name given in the From: header > is bogus and is a reference to a non-existant fictitious person, as anyone > who simply takes a moment to google the name can readily see. > > This is fundamentally different from Real People posting to these lists. > Real People have histories, known connections, and readily identifiable > employers. Sock puppets have none of these things. > > If you don't like people talking about sock puppets on these mailing lists > then perhaps you should, in the first instance, try to get the sock > puppets to stop posting garbage and unenlightening recycled company PR > blurbs to these mailing lists. > > Most of us have real work to do, and if we really want to be bombarded by > commercial advertisments being written and spread around by specific > individual companies, at their request or prompting, and for their benefit, > then there are other places where we can seek out that kind of stuff. > > > Regards, > rfg > ___ > apnic-talk mailing list -- apnic-t...@lists.apnic.net > To unsubscribe send an email to apnic-talk-le...@lists.apnic.net > ___ Community-Discuss mailing list Community-Discuss@afrinic.net https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
