Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-20 Thread Serge Knystautas
Stephen McConnell wrote: I've tried to stay out of this thread(s), but I just have to say, give me a break. James was one of Avalon's most visible users, and I simply cannot stand to hear someone from Avalon criticize the ASF establishment about the treatment of Avalon users. Perhaps it could

Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-20 Thread Niclas Hedhman
[fixed-width font required] Serge, I disagree with your assessment that You [Steve], as a primary actor in the Avalon community, failed... 1. Steve is accused of becoming the primary actor of late, when the other primary actors, like Peter Donald, Berin Loritsch, Nicola Ken Barozzi, Paul

Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-20 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Friday 17 December 2004 00:13, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Well, actually the dictionary does: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=attrition. And, yes, when someone suggests that those who don't agree with him remove themselves from the decision-making process, I would call that consensus

Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-20 Thread Serge Knystautas
Niclas Hedhman wrote: You really think that we consider that fair judgement? I do not blame you or Stephen or anyone individually for James's dependencies. Stephen asked the question of whether these dependencies could, or rather shouldn't it, lead me to direct blame at the ASF establishment,

Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-20 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Monday 20 December 2004 10:01, Serge Knystautas wrote: That doesn't mean it's fair, or even matters that much. Passing judgement on someone often doesn't matter much, except to the 'convicted'. Not guilty vs 4 weeks in jail with parole can change someone's life dramatically.

RE: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-20 Thread Stephen McConnell
-Original Message- From: Serge Knystautas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I can somewhat understand though not empathize with wanting to have history reflect what you see as having happened. Maybe this about making Apache a better place by identifying hypocrisy here out in the open

RE: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-20 Thread Tim O'Brien
If the ASF doesn't work for you then get busy at dpml. Really, go and innovate. But, please don't stick around and try to prove a point by continuously trolling the community@ list. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-20 Thread Serge Knystautas
Niclas Hedhman wrote: That doesn't mean it's fair, or even matters that much. Passing judgement on someone often doesn't matter much, except to the 'convicted'. Not guilty vs 4 weeks in jail with parole can change someone's life dramatically. Never-the-less. Someone could write a novel on all

RE: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-20 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
At 09:21 PM 12/19/2004, Stephen McConnell wrote: Maybe this about making Apache a better place by identifying hypocrisy here out in the open instead of behind the protection of private lists. Maybe it's about dealing with the breach of procedure by the Chair of a PMC and ensuring that this does

Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-20 Thread Scott Sanders
Thanks to those who helped lay the issues to rest, happy ranting to those who wish to beat the dead horse, and long live good code in whatever forum is appropriate to it. Amen, +1 Scott - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Is ASL2.0 not GPL-compatible ??

2004-12-20 Thread Niclas Hedhman
The Jini community is in the mix of going Open Source and I would like to influence Sun to choose the ASL2.0. However, quote Are there other license possibilities? Sure. The Apache 2.0 license I mentioned is one: http://apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0 Against our desired characteristics,

Re: Is ASL2.0 not GPL-compatible ??

2004-12-20 Thread Joshua Slive
Niclas Hedhman wrote: Does anyone know, and preferably have any authorative-like links ?? http://www.apache.org/licenses/ http://www.apache.org/licenses/GPL-compatibility.html Joshua. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Is ASL2.0 not GPL-compatible ??

2004-12-20 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Niclas Hedhman wrote: ... Does anyone know, and preferably have any authorative-like links ?? http://www.apache.org/licenses/GPL-compatibility.html -- Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] - verba volant, scripta manent - (discussions get forgotten, just code

Re: Is ASL2.0 not GPL-compatible ??

2004-12-20 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Monday 20 December 2004 23:54, Joshua Slive wrote: Niclas Hedhman wrote: Does anyone know, and preferably have any authorative-like links ?? http://www.apache.org/licenses/ http://www.apache.org/licenses/GPL-compatibility.html thanks!!! -- +--//---+ /

Re: Is ASL2.0 not GPL-compatible ??

2004-12-20 Thread Henri Yandell
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004, Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Monday 20 December 2004 23:54, Joshua Slive wrote: Niclas Hedhman wrote: Does anyone know, and preferably have any authorative-like links ?? http://www.apache.org/licenses/ http://www.apache.org/licenses/GPL-compatibility.html thanks!!! Of far more

Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-20 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Niclas Hedhman wrote: Who wants to commit any code or do anything in an environment as poisonous as Avalon was at the time? 4. So you don't want to spend any time in Avalon, but you really do want to make it hard for everyone else? There has to be

Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-20 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Stephen McConnell wrote: Maybe it's about dealing with the breach of procedure by the Chair of a PMC and ensuring that this does not get rewarded nor repeated. Once again, there was no technical breach of procedure. Of custom, perhaps, but not of

Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-20 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Stephen McConnell wrote: Irrespective of the validity of this opinion - members of the board actively encouraged Aaron to ignore any PMC opinion and take an executive decision. Provide citations supporting this, please. - -- #kenP-)} Ken Coar,

Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-20 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tuesday 21 December 2004 05:05, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: Niclas Hedhman wrote: Who wants to commit any code or do anything in an environment as poisonous as Avalon was at the time? 4. So you don't want to spend any time in Avalon, but you really do want to make it hard for

RE: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-20 Thread Noel J. Bergman
The active committer community objected to the transfer of dead code from cvs to svn, arguing that the Avalon svn should contain the active alive code. And that would have been wrong. SVN is our successor to CVS, and we are to PRESERVE *ALL* history of our code, which is an asset. In my

RE: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-20 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Niclas Hedhman wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=attrition. Why didn't you list the meanings given by your link Because people can read. 1. and 2. is probably what people are referring to Yes. Some highly successful projects in ASF, has started with

RE: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-20 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Niclas Hedhman wrote: I give you an example of what I call 'compromise' and 'collaboration' ; Those events as you describe them did happen. If they were the only ones, we'd have a happy healthy community. Each individual works on what he/she finds interesting, relevant and important.

RE: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-20 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Stephen McConnell wrote: Maybe this about making Apache a better place by identifying hypocrisy here out in the open instead of behind the protection of private lists. yawn The facts don't bear witness to the claim. Maybe it's about dealing with the breach of procedure by the Chair of a