Re: The Opposite of Incubator

2004-05-04 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tuesday 04 May 2004 22:04, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: JServ is, for example, in dead from a community point of view, yet many people use it in production. JServ is now located at archive.apache.org. I am one of them :o) (Great product - right size!) If the avalon project feels like

Re: ApacheCon Europe???

2004-05-09 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Friday 07 May 2004 05:41, Ben Laurie wrote: rijstaffel Rijs = Rice ? Taffel = Table? Enlighten me! Niclas -- +-//---+ | http://www.bali.ac | | http://niclas.hedhman.org | +--//--+

The Opposite of Incubator

2004-05-04 Thread Niclas Hedhman
Hi, At Avalon we have a small problem. Phoenix has ceased to be actively developed, and an external fork has occurred driven by the previous Phoenix developers, called Loom at CodeHaus, and users who needs help with Phoenix are directed to the Loom project. Now, what do we do with the

Re: CVS and Subversion

2004-06-11 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Friday 11 June 2004 21:02, Jim Moore wrote: Actually, the all or nothing part of the transaction isn't a big deal because, as you said, it's very rare that a commit in CVS would fail. But I often change my mind half way through... (lazy thought-loading), Ctrl-C, and CVS is 'half way

Re: CVS and Subversion

2004-06-11 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Friday 11 June 2004 18:17, Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: On a positive note; do look at subversion; play with it - and note that its modern infrastructure and standard based protocols do allow for levels of integration previously hard to attain. Another note that noone seems to consider,

Re: CVS and Subversion

2004-06-11 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Friday 11 June 2004 23:23, Niclas Hedhman wrote: Subversion eats almost all CPU cycles on a 2.4 Linux Kernel, on updates and commits. Am I the only one who have this problem??? I am only using SVN CLI. [EMAIL PROTECTED] niclas]$ uname -a Linux f2.hedhman.org 2.4.20-20.9 #1 Mon Aug 18 11

Re: Do we have a jobs list?

2004-07-07 Thread Niclas Hedhman
David Crossley wrote: Brian Behlendorf wrote: We don't appear to, but I would be +1 on setting something like this up. Freebsd.org has one, not sure who else might. Setting it up is one thing, but maintaining it and keeping oversight on fake entries, removing old stuff, is the hard part.

Re: Do we have a jobs list?

2004-07-07 Thread Niclas Hedhman
David Crossley wrote: Would that make the PMCs responsible if something went haywire? If so, yikes. Even so, i cannot see that as sustainable. How would the PMCs find the energy to verify that jobs were legitimate? Why can't the PMC be responsible if the committers are the one the place the stuff

Re: Inexpensive Lists

2004-07-22 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Thursday 22 July 2004 05:50, Justin Erenkrantz wrote: --On Wednesday, July 21, 2004 4:01 PM -0400 Stefano Mazzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I completely disagree with this view. I don't see why the ASF *has* to support water-cooler conversations. It just doesn't coincide with our

Re: Inexpensive Lists

2004-07-22 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Thursday 22 July 2004 14:36, Martin Cooper wrote: Uh, isn't that a bit like asking why we need PMCs to oversee the projects? After all, the only people who can make changes are the committers, and they surely all respect each other, right? ;-) Code can contain legal problems that can be

Re: gmail accounts?

2004-08-17 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Monday 16 August 2004 21:07, Greg Stein wrote: A while back, I offered gmail accounts to a number of people when the number of invites that I had was pretty limited. However, I now have unlimited invites... If anybody would like a gmail account, then please reply to me privately and I'll

Re: Board Commentary: Metro and Avalon

2004-09-24 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Friday 24 September 2004 15:08, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: People are invited to join the PMC only if other PMC members see their merits and want them to come in, not because there is some rule that sums up the commits done or the length of the emails written. PMC members are there because

Re: Board Commentary: Metro and Avalon

2004-09-26 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Sunday 26 September 2004 23:35, Ceki Glc wrote: At 04:08 PM 9/24/2004, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: How many in Apache think you are right? Is that a fair question? In all due respect, my initial question about demotions quickly turned into a clogmire of intertwined subjects, reaching from

Re: Board Commentary: Metro and Avalon

2004-09-26 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Monday 27 September 2004 00:35, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: for a doctor to tell your friends and neighbours that you have cancer? Hippocratic Oath (not sure of spelling), similar to a contract. for an employee to tell its employer that it really hates its job, and intends to resign at

Re: Board Commentary: Metro and Avalon

2004-09-27 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Monday 27 September 2004 06:02, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: you really don't seem to understand. *stephen* wasn't on the distribution list, and yet you checked with him. I have refrained from attacking people in this list, but there is a limit on how much lies I will tolerate. Mr Coar,

Re: Board Commentary: Metro and Avalon

2004-09-27 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Monday 27 September 2004 12:00, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Just correct him if he made a mistake. So when he carries untruth that would have been very easy for him to check, that validates just correct him, and when I make the disclosure of what I believe to be ASF-wide public information, the

Re: Board Commentary: Metro and Avalon

2004-09-27 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Monday 27 September 2004 21:30, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: i am dismayed that the private message was exposed the way it was. i am much more concerned that the individual involved apparently doesn't see the action as incorrect. if i felt comfortable that it *did* understand why it was

Re: Board Commentary: Metro and Avalon

2004-09-28 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tuesday 28 September 2004 09:30, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: If you want to change my mind, that's how you start: tell me what is the benefit for the ASF in promoting this style of community building, despite its long-term history of social energy waste, frustration and contract instability.

Re: Style of community building

2004-09-28 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tuesday 28 September 2004 22:08, Sam Ruby wrote: Hindsight is easy, and I am not sure whether your intention is to punish parts (not all) of those who made it happen, plus some people who hasn't been involved (for instance commercial users). The intent is not to punish anyone, at all.

Re: Style of community building

2004-09-28 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tuesday 28 September 2004 23:18, Sam Ruby wrote: long-lived community is the key phrase. yes. Successful communities outlast their leaders. Agree. In any case, this does not answer the question as to how the lack of a top level project for Metro would damage a commercial user. IMHO,

Re: Style of community building

2004-09-29 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Wednesday 29 September 2004 06:38, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: snip content=appreciated / If you believed in the technology, the brand should not care. I think this is probably the best advice I have gotten all week. Seriously! And when asked *expliticly* to address our concerns about

Re: Style of community building

2004-09-29 Thread Niclas Hedhman
on with better things in life, like getting a great product through the door... Cheers Niclas Hedhman - - - - - If you shout loud enough, noone will hear you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional

Re: Open Source, Cold Shoulder (fwd)

2004-10-09 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Saturday 09 October 2004 13:11, Ben Laurie wrote: Brian Behlendorf wrote: Comments? Is there anything the community thinks we could do to address the situation? Try to encourage sensible writing? I mean, it'd be cool if there were more women in open source, but the whole idea that

Re: Open Source, Cold Shoulder (fwd)

2004-10-09 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Saturday 09 October 2004 16:00, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Imagine living in a house where teh ASF board members lived together. [mental image of stefano running out of the house screaming] Look at us. Yeah, us, alpha geeks! A little flowers on the table might not be enough to get the

Re: Open Source, Cold Shoulder (fwd)

2004-10-12 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tuesday 12 October 2004 21:02, Ben Hyde wrote: Projects that: fail to welcome new comers; fail to bring in credible new contributors ... well they are just stupid. They will ultimately become dysfunctional and implode. Question; Should Open Source be Open Participation? I am sure that

Re: Open Source, Cold Shoulder (fwd)

2004-10-13 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Wednesday 13 October 2004 16:44, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote: In the end, the majority of the 99% must adjust to the 1% of idiots. Hmmm At a 2 magnitude superiority in manpower, the majority is unable to keep them in check, and weed them out? Is that a matter of lack of tools, or

DOM v3 in JDK 1.5

2004-10-13 Thread Niclas Hedhman
Hi everyone, This is a semi-cross community technical issue, regarding the change of the org.w3c.dom.Node interface (as part of DOM3). Is there anyone who has investigated the consequences of these changes, and I am referring to the previously terrible situation with the DOM1 to DOM2

Re: Open Source, Cold Shoulder (fwd): One woman's comments

2004-10-20 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Wednesday 20 October 2004 10:56, Brian Behlendorf wrote: I'm not suggesting we rename ourselves the Cute Nice Fluffy Bunnies Software Foundation. ROTFL... From a feared native-american tribe to cuddly... :o) My vote goes for The Bambi Software Foundation or The Kitten Software Foundation

Re: Florida election shenanigans caught on tape

2004-11-20 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Saturday 20 November 2004 05:04, Brian Behlendorf wrote: This may be completely inappropriate for this list... Yes it is. ASF is not political, and AFAIU fairly international, and for the non-USA community, this doesn't concern us any more than dirty politics in other countries. but

Re: Florida election shenanigans caught on tape

2004-11-20 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Saturday 20 November 2004 17:38, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: Niclas Hedhman wrote: The way you make the bed, is the way you are going to sleep. in case you didn't notice, the ASF is *NOT* a democracy. I wasn't making a comment from a democratic PoV. And if any 'democratic' principles

Re: Microsoft warns Asian Gov'ts -- puts Linux users on notice

2004-11-23 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tuesday 23 November 2004 22:00, Raphal Luta wrote: Note that this is largely FUD on Microsoft part, right now you can't enforce a software patent in most of the world, WTO or no WTO. Exactly. M$ has problems to find growth markets, and the biggest promise is China, but the signals from

Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-15 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Thursday 16 December 2004 02:26, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: So the PMC chair was perfectly within its authority to request that the board terminate the project. And from what I read on the Avalon lists, my clear impression is that the action had majority support within the project if

Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-16 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Thursday 16 December 2004 04:00, Serge Knystautas wrote: James was one of Avalon's most visible users, and I simply cannot stand to hear someone from Avalon criticize the ASF establishment about the treatment of Avalon users. That does not make James/Cocoon and the other ASF projects the

Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-16 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Wednesday 01 December 2004 11:26, Noel J. Bergman wrote: more important than the community's vision The [VOTE] Single Avalon Platform[1] was started by Aaron. The vote passed, although you decided not to participate. True, the vote is not about Merlin==Avalon, but about a to-be-defined

Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-16 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Thursday 16 December 2004 22:51, J Aaron Farr wrote: In fact, Niclas, why don't you open up all the [EMAIL PROTECTED] archives? I seem to remember quite a few conversations by the Metro TLP team about wanting to, what was it?, clean up the kitchen or take out the trash in reference to

Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-20 Thread Niclas Hedhman
[fixed-width font required] Serge, I disagree with your assessment that You [Steve], as a primary actor in the Avalon community, failed... 1. Steve is accused of becoming the primary actor of late, when the other primary actors, like Peter Donald, Berin Loritsch, Nicola Ken Barozzi, Paul

Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-20 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Friday 17 December 2004 00:13, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Well, actually the dictionary does: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=attrition. And, yes, when someone suggests that those who don't agree with him remove themselves from the decision-making process, I would call that consensus

Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-20 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Monday 20 December 2004 10:01, Serge Knystautas wrote: That doesn't mean it's fair, or even matters that much. Passing judgement on someone often doesn't matter much, except to the 'convicted'. Not guilty vs 4 weeks in jail with parole can change someone's life dramatically.

Is ASL2.0 not GPL-compatible ??

2004-12-20 Thread Niclas Hedhman
The Jini community is in the mix of going Open Source and I would like to influence Sun to choose the ASL2.0. However, quote Are there other license possibilities? Sure. The Apache 2.0 license I mentioned is one: http://apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0 Against our desired characteristics,

Re: Is ASL2.0 not GPL-compatible ??

2004-12-20 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Monday 20 December 2004 23:54, Joshua Slive wrote: Niclas Hedhman wrote: Does anyone know, and preferably have any authorative-like links ?? http://www.apache.org/licenses/ http://www.apache.org/licenses/GPL-compatibility.html thanks!!! -- +--//---+ / http

Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-20 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tuesday 21 December 2004 05:05, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: Niclas Hedhman wrote: Who wants to commit any code or do anything in an environment as poisonous as Avalon was at the time? 4. So you don't want to spend any time in Avalon, but you really do want to make it hard

Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-21 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tuesday 21 December 2004 07:54, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Niclas Hedhman wrote: I give you an example of what I call 'compromise' and 'collaboration' ; Those events as you describe them did happen. If they were the only ones, we'd have a happy healthy community. :o) Each individual

Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-21 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tuesday 21 December 2004 11:19, Stephen McConnell wrote: Greg holds to the opinion that the appointed Chair is the PMC and that the members are simply an artificial construct. Before anyone is requesting the quote where Steve get that notion from;

Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-21 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tuesday 21 December 2004 07:41, Noel J. Bergman wrote: You seem to keep forgetting that I supported Merlin havine a home at the ASF. Very much appreciated :o) , as I know you normally saw through all the BS that was part of the Avalon stage. Point? That consensus by attrition is a

Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-21 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tuesday 21 December 2004 12:09, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: People leaving a project for J Random Reason is acceptable attrition. People leaving because they don't agree with the majority opinion is, too. A practice of asking people to leave, or trying to drive them away, because they

Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-21 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tuesday 21 December 2004 12:02, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Tuesday 21 December 2004 07:54, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Actually, all it takes to veto a change is one PMC member to cast a -1 with a technical justification. The issue is how a community deals

Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-21 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tuesday 21 December 2004 11:50, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: Then you're being uncommonly obtuse obtuse? (is that insult or compliment? otoh getting the true meaning from a dictionary is probably not a good idea :o( ) 'I have a serious reservation about this because it appears to be

Requesting clarification in ByLaw text.

2004-12-21 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tuesday 21 December 2004 17:03, Greg Stein wrote: (12:10:11) gstein: mcconnell: aaron *is* the PMC ((12:46:05) gstein: the members of the PMC is an artificial construct created by the Chair You lost a lot of context there. Ok, agree, but I thought it being unnecessary to quote 71kB

Re: Requesting clarification in ByLaw text.

2004-12-21 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tuesday 21 December 2004 20:48, Niclas Hedhman wrote: This whole episode is also marred by Project ByLaw, which I have been told does not to exist (or do they? confusion!), yet is mentioned that the PMC is Sorry, I missed a few words here. Should be; ... yet is mentioned in the Board

Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-21 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tuesday 21 December 2004 20:59, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: No, I don't think it was a single occurrence. *I* only know of one such time, in conjunction with Leo Sutic resigning on the basis of People leaving because they don't agree with the majority opinion is acceptable attrition.

Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-21 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tuesday 21 December 2004 21:39, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: (I don't see any new thread yet.) Same thread, new Subject Subject = Requesting clarification in ByLaw text. -- +--//---+ / http://www.dpml.net / / http://niclas.hedhman.org /

Re: Is ASL2.0 not GPL-compatible ??

2004-12-21 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tuesday 21 December 2004 00:02, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: http://www.apache.org/licenses/GPL-compatibility.html The Jini technology is going Open Source and I think that is great, and even though I tried hard, it will not be under a ASL2.0 license, most likely the MIT license. Furthermore,

Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-21 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Wednesday 22 December 2004 03:54, Scott Sanders wrote: If there is anything wrong with the policies and procedures of the ASF, it is that Avalon was not shut down in 2001 or before. I have spent most of the evening reading mails pre-Avalon TLP and especially the period around the TLP was

Re: Is ASL2.0 not GPL-compatible ??

2004-12-21 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Wednesday 22 December 2004 04:59, Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote: On Tue, 21 Dec 2004, robert burrell donkin wrote: pliant european legal system (UK law, for example). i don't see any way in which the ASF could act to help release managers faced with the criminal law in europe Also note

Re: Is ASL2.0 not GPL-compatible ??

2004-12-21 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Wednesday 22 December 2004 05:23, Scott Sanders wrote: On Dec 21, 2004, at 1:17 PM, Stephen McConnell wrote: Will the ASF shield me? I doubt it. I really doubt it. Why do you say things like this? Do you fail to understand this is the primary reason for the establishment of the ASF.

Re: Requesting clarification in ByLaw text.

2004-12-22 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Wednesday 22 December 2004 15:27, Greg Stein wrote: FWIW, I liked your phrase in another email about renaming the PMC Bylaws to something like Standard Operating Rules or somesuch. Tho my personal opinion is to just lose them and have one set of rules for all ASF PMCs. That would make *me*

[Info] Jini goes OSS.

2005-01-20 Thread Niclas Hedhman
FWIW, Sun have decided to put the Jini specification, documentation and reference implementations under an OSS license. Early on, the discussion of which licensed circled around; BSD, MIT and ALv2. After a lengthy debate on the pros and cons, especially in respect of the patent rights

Re: [Info] Jini goes OSS.

2005-01-20 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Thursday 20 January 2005 05:13, Henri Yandell wrote: All sounds great but the open sourcing of the spec confuses me. How exactly is that going to work? Has anyone open-sourced a spec before? AFAIU, that is a reference to the fact that the specification contains classes, that have previously

Re: EU ministers try to pull another fast one

2005-01-21 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Friday 21 January 2005 01:21, Noel J. Bergman wrote: http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/55366 Why so many Farming and Fishing Ministers? What do they know of implications in the software industrt? Niclas - To

Re: Relicense scripts

2005-01-25 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tuesday 25 January 2005 02:34, Felipe Leme wrote: I got a request from an user to send him the script used to change the ASF license comment on Java files. Changing it from what to what, and who is the Copyright owner of the files? Cheers Niclas

Re: Relicense scripts

2005-01-25 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tuesday 25 January 2005 03:26, Felipe Leme wrote: On Tue, 2005-01-25 at 00:56, Niclas Hedhman wrote: Changing it from what to what, Changing ASL 1.0 to 2.0 or adding ASL 2.0 to a file that doesn't have it. and who is the Copyright owner of the files? Do you mean the files

Re: Returned post for committ...@apache.org

2009-12-28 Thread Niclas Hedhman
of the philosophy arena as long as possible. AFAIK, Corbertura and Emma are also used at ASF, so we shouldn't see it as an 'endorsement', but simply a Use it if you like... for the ASF projects. Cheers -- Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer http://www.qi4j.org - New Energy for Java I live here; http

Re: Can you spare 10 minutes to help Apache?

2010-02-16 Thread Niclas Hedhman
at the questions, I would assume anyone would be the target... Cheers -- Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer http://www.qi4j.org - New Energy for Java I live here; http://tinyurl.com/2qq9er I work here; http://tinyurl.com/2ymelc I relax here; http://tinyurl.com/2cgsug

Re: Forking is a Feature reactions?

2010-09-15 Thread Niclas Hedhman
GitHub will lower or raise that said barrier, Cheers -- Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer http://www.qi4j.org - New Energy for Java I  live here; http://tinyurl.com/2qq9er I  work here; http://tinyurl.com/2ymelc I relax here; http://tinyurl.com/2cgsug