Re: [Ant nudge STATUS] Better than we thought...

2002-10-26 Thread Stephen McConnell
Andrew C. Oliver wrote: well principally you should be interested in this communication. Another PRO... more opportunity for ant committers to become recognized and achieve membership. .. um, you say that like there is an end-gain An honor more like. . Plus the opportunity to

Re: Apache Community (was Re: [VOTE] Open this list)

2002-10-28 Thread Stephen McConnell
Waldhoff, Rodney wrote: Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: B. W. Fitzpatrick wrote: Limit the list to committers (with no public archive or posting ability) but allow committers to nominate users who have contributed to the Apache community, but not in a developer role (or users could

Re: idiot.html

2002-10-29 Thread Stephen McConnell
Kurt Schrader wrote: On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Ted Husted wrote: 10/29/2002 6:33:40 AM, Rodent of Unusual Size [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ha, ha. i see the humour. however, someone seeing that on an official apache web site is going to think it represents the overall apache viewpoint. i

Re: [VOTE] Openness

2002-10-30 Thread Stephen McConnell
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: VOTE 1: would you like to make it possible for non-committers to read this mail list thru a web archive? [X] +1 yes, let's make it readable [ ] 0 don't know/don't care [ ] -1 no, let's keep it private - o - VOTE 2: would you like to

Re: The Apache Jakarta Law (Scientific?)

2002-11-13 Thread Stephen McConnell
Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Alright, here you go. Get it out of your systems flamebait degree=total so I hear 3.3 was a total waste of time and that 4.0 was the best thing ever and that 4.0 is way faster than 3.3. /flamebait flamebait degree=total mode=silly So I hear 4.0 was a big evil

Re: Rules for Revolutionaries

2002-11-13 Thread Stephen McConnell
Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: Jeff Turner wrote: On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 04:05:24AM +0100, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: ... More than anything else, the fact that two different codebases were *released* with the same name at the same time, pissed many people off (myself included) and created

Re: Maven and community

2003-02-28 Thread Stephen McConnell
Just for reference - I'm somewhat surprised at the flack handed out to Jason. He and the other Maven committers are doing an out-and-out brilliant job of bringing together the next generation. My feeling is that these guys are being squeezed unnecessarily - but don't ask me why because I don't

Re: How BSD hurts OpenSource

2003-05-14 Thread Stephen McConnell
David N. Welton wrote: Justin Erenkrantz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I wonder is how many of those authors/copyright-holders have actually read the GPL and understand what it really means. -- justin Probably not the details, but on the other hand, the concept of the GPL is clever, and

Re: How BSD hurts OpenSource

2003-05-14 Thread Stephen McConnell
Andrew Savory wrote: Hi, On Wed, 14 May 2003, Stephen McConnell wrote: 1. open-source is free and that is a problem for department managers because this means they loose budget Fair comment up to a point - but there are vendors of open source software out there, so there are ways around

Re: Follow the example

2003-09-19 Thread Stephen McConnell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 18/09/2003 11:55:43 PM: What can be done to fix this? Many thanks in advance, There's no coverage on some of the top level projects you mention, e.g. no sessions on Ant, Avalon, James Maven. Dion - I think we are going to

Re: Follow the example

2003-09-19 Thread Stephen McConnell
Noel J. Bergman wrote: Dion - I think we are going to have to get a suite and shift you up to marketing! Is Dion staying that long? Cool. I just knew that he'd be rooming with us at the Software Summit conference at the end of October. So I think you should double your budget ... this guy

Re: establish a trust relationship (Re: missing signatures)

2003-09-25 Thread Stephen McConnell
Noel J. Bergman wrote: Ahhh. Now, there are no *ASF members* in Japan (Maybe, this goes for other Asian countries), so the things can be easily inconsistent. There are other ASF Committers in Japan. Lief Mortenson, for example, the author of the Java Wrapper and frequent Avalon contributor.

Re: Inappropriate use of announce@

2003-10-20 Thread Stephen McConnell
Joshua Slive wrote: On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: Nope. I have to resign. Well, thanks for your contribution Tetsuya. I think it is a worthwhile project, and I hope you reconsider or someone picks it up. I do believe that there have been some people getting a little too

Re: Inappropriate use of announce@

2003-10-20 Thread Stephen McConnell
Henning Schmiedehausen wrote: I very much enjoyed the hard work that Tetsuya put into the newsletter and I'm very sad to see him step down because of such puny reasons as to which mailing list this newsletter should be sent. Me too on both points. Steve. -- Stephen J. McConnell mailto:[EMAIL

RE: Board Commentary: Metro and Avalon

2004-09-24 Thread Stephen McConnell
] Subject: Re: Board Commentary: Metro and Avalon On Thursday 23 September 2004 15:53, Greg Stein wrote: We have significant reservations around including Stephen McConnell on any PMC at the ASF. For the forseeable future, I do not see the Board allowing Stephen to participate at a PMC level

RE: Board Commentary: Metro and Avalon

2004-09-24 Thread Stephen McConnell
-Original Message- From: Henning Schmiedehausen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] As a non-member of the Avalon community, I've noticed that a rift opened up there from far, far away. But as my primary project in the Jakarta Community (Turbine) considers moving closer to Avalon, I'd

RE: Board Commentary: Metro and Avalon

2004-09-24 Thread Stephen McConnell
-Original Message- From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You make it sound as if the Board was off on a lark, when the fact is that the situation has all too often discussed in many circles, and the Board has been fairly closely monitoring the project for more than two

RE: Board Commentary: Metro and Avalon

2004-09-25 Thread Stephen McConnell
! Cheers, Steve. -Original Message- From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 September 2004 21:58 To: community@apache.org Subject: RE: Board Commentary: Metro and Avalon Stephen McConnell wrote: Sure - we talked openly about developer and user attrition

RE: Board Commentary: Metro and Avalon

2004-09-26 Thread Stephen McConnell
Ken: -Original Message- From: Rodent of Unusual Size [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 September 2004 00:02 you really don't seem to understand. *stephen* wasn't on the distribution list, and yet you checked with him. had he been informed before you did so? and you also

RE: Board Commentary: Metro and Avalon

2004-09-27 Thread Stephen McConnell
to screwed up cc list the first time] Stephen McConnell wrote: I find this discussion and the usage of terms such as severe lack of respect to be out of place and largely disproportionate with the real topic, substance and events. all right. i disagree, however, at least with the 'out of place

RE: Style of community building

2004-09-29 Thread Stephen McConnell
-Original Message- From: Rodent of Unusual Size [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 September 2004 13:17 To: community@apache.org Subject: Re: Style of community building snip ... how are lessons to be learnt is not from examining past situations and their resolutions? Have a

RE: Apache Community Worldwide -- again

2004-10-04 Thread Stephen McConnell
-Original Message- From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 October 2004 01:28 To: community@apache.org Subject: RE: Apache Community Worldwide -- again David Crossley wrote: on what list can all committers discuss issues without fear of spilling the beans

RE: private mailing list for committers (Was: Apache CommunityWorldwide -- again)

2004-10-04 Thread Stephen McConnell
-Original Message- From: Sander Temme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 October 2004 05:27 To: community@apache.org Subject: Re: private mailing list for committers (Was: Apache CommunityWorldwide -- again) On Oct 3, 2004, at 7:22 PM, Stephen McConnell wrote: list should

RE: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-01 Thread Stephen McConnell
-Original Message- From: Niclas Hedhman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] And on behalf of the developers at Avalon, I would like to Thank ALL the past Chairs and members of the Avalon PMC, for a all-in-all a job well done. I'm sorry - but you will have to exclude myself from the above

RE: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-17 Thread Stephen McConnell
-Original Message- From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 December 2004 23:11 To: community@apache.org Subject: RE: [ANN] Avalon Closed the only ones who really got hurt were the Avalon users, and the ASF establishment have already declared that they are not

RE: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-17 Thread Stephen McConnell
-Original Message- From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 December 2004 03:09 To: community@apache.org Subject: RE: [ANN] Avalon Closed Stephen McConnell wrote: When you say and the two container factions that chose not to participate with everyone else

RE: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-19 Thread Stephen McConnell
-Original Message- From: Serge Knystautas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 December 2004 21:01 To: community@apache.org Subject: Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed Niclas Hedhman wrote: Smoke and Mirrors - isn't there a passage in the New Testament with something about sin and

RE: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-20 Thread Stephen McConnell
-Original Message- From: Serge Knystautas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I can somewhat understand though not empathize with wanting to have history reflect what you see as having happened. Maybe this about making Apache a better place by identifying hypocrisy here out in the open

RE: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-21 Thread Stephen McConnell
-Original Message- From: William A. Rowe, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 December 2004 08:42 To: community@apache.org Cc: community@apache.org Subject: RE: [ANN] Avalon Closed At 08:30 PM 12/16/2004, Stephen McConnell wrote: Concerning our decision making processes, I

RE: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-21 Thread Stephen McConnell
-Original Message- From: Niclas Hedhman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 December 2004 04:29 To: community@apache.org; Noel J. Bergman Subject: Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed On Tuesday 21 December 2004 07:54, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Niclas Hedhman wrote: I give you an example of

RE: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-21 Thread Stephen McConnell
-Original Message- From: Rodent of Unusual Size [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 December 2004 05:10 To: community@apache.org Subject: Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Niclas Hedhman wrote: On Tuesday 21 December 2004 07:41, Noel J. Bergman

RE: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-21 Thread Stephen McConnell
-Original Message- From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 December 2004 05:30 To: community@apache.org Subject: RE: [ANN] Avalon Closed consensus by attrition is a negatively loaded term, yet a natural occurring thing in all projects Not when the attrition

RE: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-21 Thread Stephen McConnell
-Original Message- From: Rodent of Unusual Size [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 December 2004 22:16 To: community@apache.org Subject: Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Stephen McConnell wrote: Maybe it's about dealing with the breach

RE: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-21 Thread Stephen McConnell
-Original Message- From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 December 2004 05:30 To: community@apache.org Subject: RE: [ANN] Avalon Closed Stephen McConnell wrote: William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Stephen McConnell wrote: * What do you think is the role

RE: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-21 Thread Stephen McConnell
-Original Message- From: Rodent of Unusual Size [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 December 2004 14:32 To: community@apache.org Subject: Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Stephen McConnell wrote: Once again, there was no technical breach

RE: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-21 Thread Stephen McConnell
-Original Message- From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 December 2004 20:13 To: community@apache.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed On Dec 21, 2004, at 2:02 PM, Stephen McConnell wrote: Authority without accountability

RE: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-21 Thread Stephen McConnell
-Original Message- From: Rodent of Unusual Size [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 December 2004 20:22 To: community@apache.org Subject: Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Stephen McConnell wrote: No policy adopted by a project can supercede

RE: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-21 Thread Stephen McConnell
-Original Message- From: Rodent of Unusual Size [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 December 2004 20:22 To: community@apache.org Subject: Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Stephen McConnell wrote: No policy adopted by a project can supercede

RE: [ANN] Avalon Closed

2004-12-21 Thread Stephen McConnell
-Original Message- From: Rodent of Unusual Size [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 December 2004 21:55 To: community@apache.org Subject: Re: [ANN] Avalon Closed -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Stephen McConnell wrote: Clearly you are not prepared to face up to the fact

RE: Is ASL2.0 not GPL-compatible ??

2004-12-21 Thread Stephen McConnell
-Original Message- From: Dirk-Willem van Gulik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 December 2004 21:59 To: community@apache.org Subject: Re: Is ASL2.0 not GPL-compatible ?? On Tue, 21 Dec 2004, robert burrell donkin wrote: On Tuesday 21 December 2004 00:02, Nicola Ken

RE: Is ASL2.0 not GPL-compatible ??

2004-12-22 Thread Stephen McConnell
-Original Message- From: Dirk-Willem van Gulik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 December 2004 01:21 To: community@apache.org Subject: RE: Is ASL2.0 not GPL-compatible ?? On Tue, 21 Dec 2004, Stephen McConnell wrote: Will the ASF shield me? In normal cases - yes