RE: package uboot-gta 01-1.2.0+svn: failed

2007-08-07 Thread Richard Reichenbacher
I am running into the same problem on Ubuntu 7.04 and running sudo update-alternatives --config git yields: No alternatives for git. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marcin Juszkiewicz Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 11:24 PM To:

Neo1973 Phase 1 sales / order process / misconception

2007-08-07 Thread Harald Welte
Hi all! I tried to stay out of this entire discussion (like most non-technical discussions) for a long time. But I think there is just a big misconception of how and what at least certain people percieve and what is actually going on. First of all, OpenMoko is a very small company. We have 19

RE: package uboot-gta 01-1.2.0+svn: failed

2007-08-07 Thread Richard Reichenbacher
Actually I am getting a different error on the same package though. Woops. Fast forward README |2 +- 1 files changed, 1 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) Warning: No merge candidate found because value of config option branch.master.merge does not match any remote branch fetched. No

Sean Moss to speak at LinuxWorld Thursday, August 9, at 11:30

2007-08-07 Thread michael
M8: Panel Discussion: Deploying Linux-based Handsets in the Real World 08/09/2007, 11:30 AM - 12:30 PM Moderator: Bill Weinberg, Embedded and Open Source Analyst / Consultant, Xandros. Speakers: Sean Moss-Pultz, Product Manager, FIC. John

RE: package uboot-gta 01-1.2.0+svn: failed

2007-08-07 Thread Giles Jones
Richard Reichenbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : I am running into the same problem on Ubuntu 7.04 and running sudo update-alternatives --config git yields: No alternatives for git. It's nothing to do with git, my build system has been working fine. Last night it broke. I suspect changes have

Re: Neo 1973 is sold out...

2007-08-07 Thread Tim Knapp
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 08:18 +0100, Justyn Butler wrote: Hi all, I contacted OpenMoko web shop about my order and quickly got a response saying that they would process my order within the week. Then just now I received my you've been charged email, which is great! So if anyone else is

RE: package uboot-gta 01-1.2.0+svn: failed

2007-08-07 Thread Giles Jones
Giles Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Richard Reichenbacher amp;lang=en[EMAIL PROTECTED] It's nothing to do with git, my build system has been working fine. Last night it broke. I suspect changes have been made so work can be done for either GTA01 and GTA02. Sorry, I'm referring to the

Re: Neo1973 Phase 1 sales / order process / misconception

2007-08-07 Thread Peter A Trotter
On 07/08/07, Harald Welte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all! I tried to stay out of this entire discussion (like most non-technical discussions) for a long time. But I think there is just a big misconception of how and what at least certain people percieve and what is actually going on.

Re: Neo 1973 is sold out...

2007-08-07 Thread Shakthi Kannan
Hi, My thoughts below: You _never_ expect Oxford English from Asian people. Never. You should always go light on their English. It is not their native language! Poor lad. I feel sorry for him. Not sure what he got from Sean. I feel it is best for FIC/OpenMoko to have some kind of official

Re: Neo1973 Phase 1 sales / order process / misconception

2007-08-07 Thread Andy Powell
On Tuesday 07 August 2007 08:27, Harald Welte wrote: Hi all! I tried to stay out of this entire discussion (like most non-technical discussions) for a long time. But I think there is just a big misconception of how and what at least certain people percieve and what is actually going on. No

Re: Neo 1973 is sold out...

2007-08-07 Thread Giles Jones
Shakthi Kannan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : I feel it is best for FIC/OpenMoko to have some kind of official customer-support, where customers can just send their order queries, to which official FIC/OpenMoko members and interested community members can join. These interested community members

What's the real scope of hardware openness?

2007-08-07 Thread Luca Dionisi
If I understand correctly, the real big problem, as for legal issues and technical issues, is the GSM protocol. Using WiFi for a similar goal should be fine, though. The problem is that you can reach much shorter distances without the help of someone else's spot. Suppose we would have such a

Re: What's the real scope of hardware openness?

2007-08-07 Thread Mikko J Rauhala
On ti, 2007-08-07 at 12:14 +0200, Luca Dionisi wrote: If I understand correctly, the real big problem, as for legal issues and technical issues, is the GSM protocol. Using WiFi for a similar goal should be fine, though. The problem is that you can reach much shorter distances without the

Re: What's the real scope of hardware openness?

2007-08-07 Thread Luca Dionisi
On 8/7/07, Luca Dionisi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the mesh protocol is smart, I think the consumption problem could be worked out. And, BTW, I think that having to recharge the phone batteries once a day is a price that I would pay if it allows for a free communication channel with a whole

Re: What's the real scope of hardware openness?

2007-08-07 Thread Giles Jones
Luca Dionisi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : The problem is that you can reach much shorter distances without the help of someone else's spot. Yep. Wimax has a better range, it's designed to replace last mile technology, ie. the phone line or cable between your local telco exchange and your house.

Re: What's the real scope of hardware openness?

2007-08-07 Thread Giles Jones
Luca Dionisi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Yep. Anyway I would insist in finding a solution that doesn't rely heavily in access points. It would be a showstopper. IMHO we could reach the needed adoption level only if the mobile phone (that everyone nowadays carries with him) is the only

VMWare-Image (again)

2007-08-07 Thread Mario Wewer
Once more this discussion Is there now any working vmware image with all compilation-relevant files including the emulator downloadable?! Preferable with some demos? I just want to start and begin coding without having to set up the whole system...

Re: Neo1973 Phase 1 sales / order process / misconception

2007-08-07 Thread Harald Welte
On Tue, Aug 07, 2007 at 10:47:19AM +0200, Sébastien Lorquet wrote: Simple suggestion, I don't even known if it's feasible or not: Why not having a simple website to track order status? Because such a website, especially if it is to fulfill our security and privacy concerns, needs quite a bit

RE: Neo1973 Phase 1 sales / order process / misconception

2007-08-07 Thread Dean Collins
You hit the nail right on the head Andy. It doesn't take much to keep people informedergo then you wouldn't have 800 enquiries a day Harold. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Pty Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1-212-203-4357 Ph +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). -Original Message- From:

Re: VMWare-Image (again)

2007-08-07 Thread Rafa Couto
Is there now any working vmware image with all compilation-relevant files including the emulator downloadable?! Preferable with some demos? I just want to start and begin coding without having to set up the whole system... There is QEmu images at

Gaming with the Neo

2007-08-07 Thread Mario Wewer
Anyone of you ever saw something like this? http://www.amazon.de/Handy-GamePad-Bluetooth-Smartphones-Pocket/dp/B000H8TQSM/ref=sr_1_57/028-7732093-9147747?ie=UTF8s=ce-deqid=1186487069sr=1-57 I just found this solution on the german Amazon-Page... Seems like a VERY CHEAP alternative (~25€) to use

Re: VMWare-Image (again)

2007-08-07 Thread Al Johnson
On Tuesday 07 August 2007 12:58, Rafa Couto wrote: Is there now any working vmware image with all compilation-relevant files including the emulator downloadable?! Preferable with some demos? I just want to start and begin coding without having to set up the whole system... There is QEmu

Re: What's the real scope of hardware openness?

2007-08-07 Thread Luca Dionisi
On 8/7/07, Giles Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luca Dionisi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Yep. Anyway I would insist in finding a solution that doesn't rely heavily in access points. It would be a showstopper. IMHO we could reach the needed adoption level only if the mobile phone

Re: Gaming with the Neo

2007-08-07 Thread Sébastien Lorquet
I love that thing ! It seems far easier to use than on-screen buttons! 2007/8/7, Mario Wewer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Anyone of you ever saw something like this?

Re: Gaming with the Neo

2007-08-07 Thread Tiago Saraiva
Is there some company that can make stuff like that for the neo? It would be great if there was a device like that, and one with a camera that were perfectly adaptable to the neo, and not very big so they could be stored in the pouch. Maybe even using the hole in the neo to be fixed. If anyone

Re: Sean Moss to speak at LinuxWorld Thursday, August 9, at 11:30

2007-08-07 Thread Jeremy G
On 8/7/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: M8: Panel Discussion: Deploying Linux-based Handsets in the Real World 08/09/2007, 11:30 AM - 12:30 PM Moderator: Bill Weinberg, Embedded and Open Source Analyst / Consultant, Xandros. Speakers:

Subject: Re: Neo 1973 is sold out...

2007-08-07 Thread Jon Radel
Just a general comment, directed at no individual in particular, but at the general tone of this thread. ...particularly since accusations of condescension are being slung around pretty freely. Some of you may wish to reread some of your comments and evaluate to what extent members of the

Re: Gaming with the Neo

2007-08-07 Thread Ortwin Regel
I'd prefer a Wiimote attached to the Neo with some kind of plastic holder but this is a nice alterative. On 8/7/07, Mario Wewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone of you ever saw something like this?

Re: Subject: Re: Neo 1973 is sold out...

2007-08-07 Thread Simon Josefsson
Hear, hear. Frankly, I'd much rather have Harald be able to spend time writing code than having to act as the customer service representative. If you want to track status, see the commitlog. ;-) /Simon Jon Radel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just a general comment, directed at no individual in

Re: Neo1973 Phase 1 sales / order process / misconception

2007-08-07 Thread Steven **
On 8/7/07, Andy Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 07 August 2007 08:27, Harald Welte wrote: Hi all! I tried to stay out of this entire discussion (like most non-technical discussions) for a long time. But I think there is just a big misconception of how and what at least

Re: VMWare-Image (again)

2007-08-07 Thread Jay Vaughan
There is QEmu images at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ OpenMoko_under_QEMU . QEMU is a generic and open source machine emulator and virtualizer: http://www.qemu.org/ True, but answers the wrong question. The question is whether there is a virtual machine image of an entire configured build

Re: What's the real scope of hardware openness?

2007-08-07 Thread AVee
On Tuesday 07 August 2007 13:07, Luca Dionisi wrote: On 8/7/07, Mikko J Rauhala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And also, wrt. mesh networking, you still don't really want to allow your phone, while it's mobile, to work as a bridge in the mesh; otherwise the battery would be dead in no time. But

Re: Google Phone is coming...

2007-08-07 Thread AVee
On Tuesday 07 August 2007 16:15, Jeremy G wrote: On 8/4/07, Jeremy G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/4/07, Harrison Metzger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why doesn't Google join Openmoko/Neo? Google has too many closed-source applications to fit with the completely open nature of OpenMoko,

Re: Google Phone is coming...

2007-08-07 Thread Ortwin Regel
I love the rumors... Really hope they are true! :D On 8/7/07, Jeremy G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/4/07, Jeremy G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/4/07, Harrison Metzger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why doesn't Google join Openmoko/Neo? Google has too many closed-source applications to fit

Re: VMWare-Image (again)

2007-08-07 Thread Eric Heinemann
If someone will host the 2gb+ file, I can provide an Ubuntu VMWare image that I made several months ago. A few people have downloaded it, and I am not sure how well it works for actual development. I was able to compile everything using MokoMakefile and run the qemu image it produced. -Eric

Re: VMWare-Image (again)

2007-08-07 Thread Al Johnson
I should be able to arrange hosting sometime tomorrow. If I don't get back to you with details then remind me :-) On Tuesday 07 August 2007 16:15, Eric Heinemann wrote: If someone will host the 2gb+ file, I can provide an Ubuntu VMWare image that I made several months ago. A few people have

Re: What's the real scope of hardware openness?

2007-08-07 Thread Mikko Rauhala
ti, 2007-08-07 kello 17:34 +0200, Luca Dionisi kirjoitti: I don't know for sure if they write sentences like that one without having a clue. They probably don't, you just don't have a clue what they're actually talking about (for example, not talking about power). Anyway, let me try to be

Re: Subject: Re: Neo 1973 is sold out...

2007-08-07 Thread Jeremy G
I'm glad someone came out and said this. I quit tracking that thread because of the level of venom expressed by the community to FIC. If Harald's blog is an indication of anything, it's that FIC is having a lot of problems right now. Give them time; the Neo has only been out for a few months.

Re: VMWare-Image (again)

2007-08-07 Thread Sébastien Lorquet
I'm planning to create a minimal build host with a fedora. I can copy your file to my server, if I can download it somewhere. We can share it via bittorrent, too. 2007/8/7, Eric Heinemann [EMAIL PROTECTED]: If someone will host the 2gb+ file, I can provide an Ubuntu VMWare image that I made

What's the real scope of hardware openness?

2007-08-07 Thread Luca Dionisi
On 8/7/07, John Seghers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luca Dionisi wrote: Many NEOs - many batteries. Few NEOs - few power need. Scaleable, isn't it? I know I'm simplifying. I'm not saying it's trivial. The main problem here is that the WiFi hardware was not designed for the

Re: [Mac OS X] Working dfu-util

2007-08-07 Thread Simon Moore
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Great! Am 07.08.2007 um 11:45 schrieb Simon Moore: I've managed to get dfu-util compiling and running natively (via MacPorts) on Mac OS X, albeit with one patch (bug #672) and one dirty little sed hack. Yes, I also had to patch two NULL pointer dereferences.

Re: 2007.2 - questions

2007-08-07 Thread pauric
Andy PS - That reminds me... am I the only one who thinks you should be able to select power off from the battery status icon? Yes and no. From a icon/workflow perspective it would seem sensible to place options for stand-by/off/status etc. However, from a usability perspective if you have to

RE: Neo 1973 is sold out...

2007-08-07 Thread Churchwell, Brian
I sent a request to the RT system today for a status update on my order and I received a reply within 10 minutes that it would be processed tomorrow (#2570) Plenty of things are happening, just not out in the open. Brian From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: GPS data from gllin

2007-08-07 Thread Andrew Turner
I believe there is the possibility that GeoClue will be ported to OpenMoko. This would provide a simple DBUS interface to location and developers wouldn't have to care if the location was provided by GPS, WiFi, Plazes, user entered, or whatever. http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/GeoClue

Re: [Mac OS X] Working dfu-util

2007-08-07 Thread Simon Moore
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: One more question - how did you manage that dfu-util is not blocked by the AppleUSBCDC driver which also tries to bind to the same USB interface? ___ OpenMoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org

Re: [Mac OS X] Working dfu-util

2007-08-07 Thread Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
Am 07.08.2007 um 13:50 schrieb Simon Moore: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: One more question - how did you manage that dfu-util is not blocked by the AppleUSBCDC driver which also tries to bind to the same USB interface? ___ OpenMoko community

Re: VMWare-Image (again)

2007-08-07 Thread Jeff Andros
let us know if you put this up on bittorrent... I'll help seed On 8/7/07, Sébastien Lorquet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm planning to create a minimal build host with a fedora. I can copy your file to my server, if I can download it somewhere. We can share it via bittorrent, too. 2007/8/7,

Re: VMWare-Image (again)

2007-08-07 Thread Sébastien Lorquet
Now it's 38% downlaoded. I found a PHP tracker (TorrentTrader), but it's designed for mysql 4. hope this will work with my mysql 5. (I won't downgrade) Do you know any PHP tracker? I found this one, but maybe other are better ? I knew PHPBT that was nice, simple, fast, but it seems to be

Re: package uboot-gta 01-1.2.0+svn: failed

2007-08-07 Thread Omar BELKHODJA
Christoph Schweers a écrit : Someone put the following hint about the broken uboot into the wiki: http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Talk:MokoMakefilecurid=2028diff=16187oldid=15769 But I don't know how to change the corresponding bitbake recipe to get revision

Incorrect UPS tracking numbers?

2007-08-07 Thread Roland Dreier
I just got my Your order has shipped! email (yay!), but the UPS tracking number included showed a package signed for by Mike (not my name) in San Ramon, CA, (not where my address is). Did that happen to anyone else? Since I'm also in the San Francisco Bay area, I'm hoping my package will already

Re: 2007.2 - questions

2007-08-07 Thread Robin Paulson
On 8/7/07, pauric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andy PS - That reminds me... am I the only one who thinks you should be able to select power off from the battery status icon? Yes and no. From a icon/workflow perspective it would seem sensible to place options for stand-by/off/status etc.

Re: What's the real scope of hardware openness?

2007-08-07 Thread Robin Paulson
On 8/8/07, Mikko Rauhala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They probably don't, you just don't have a clue what they're actually talking about (for example, not talking about power). Anyway, let me try to be helpful here in giving you some personal insight about yourself: You obviously lack all

Re: package uboot-gta 01-1.2.0+svn: failed

2007-08-07 Thread Omar BELKHODJA
Great ! This problem is fixed now. You've just to do make update-makefile make update make setup make openmoko-devel-image Let's see what happens next... Thanks Mickey ! Omar BELKHODJA a écrit : Christoph Schweers a écrit : Someone put the following hint about the broken uboot into the

Re: What's the real scope of hardware openness?

2007-08-07 Thread Giles Jones
On 7 Aug 2007, at 22:34, Robin Paulson wrote: i for one was interested in what luca had to say, the discussion that evolved, and i've learned something because of it The idea was a good one, but not feasible at this time and not with Moko hardware. The Neo1973 is an open device but it

Re: package uboot-gta 01-1.2.0+svn: failed

2007-08-07 Thread Michael 'Mickey' Lauer
Omar BELKHODJA wrote: Thanks Mickey ! No problem. Sorry it took so long, but recently I have been concentrating on OpenMoko recipes in org.openembedded.dev. Official Announcement will follow hopefully within the next 7 days. Best regards, -- - Michael Lauer [EMAIL PROTECTED]